Corona virus

[CanDB]

The good news, restrictions are being lifted in many places, including right here. By mid March, we will not be required to wear masks at all. In fact, many folks I talk to seem more cautious in their approach than what the new guidelines will allow. So essentially this thing seems to be winding down....finally!

It will nice to see the world become as close to normal as possible, though normal is a variable concept. But I hope we have learned some lessons, Show respect where it's due, sacrifice for the greater good when warranted, be diligent as opposed to opinionated, and invest in pandemic and other medical probabilities that could mess with us all in the future. We had our experience, so lets intelligently move forward with it.

[Hadez]

I know some people are still stuck in the large corperate media narrative that the health establishment has our best interests and their "science" is The Way but it is becoming more and more clear the "science" is more about profit and conflict if interests than the individual health.

While I got the vaccine because I researched it just as hard as anything I can completely understand the distrust some have and I am completely against mandates.

Side note...I was arguing on the opposite side of this 3 years ago. Pretty firm in my beliefs that money would bring people the best health care. My mistake was I was thinking of it on a individual level not a for profit to millions of consumers level.

[Hadez]

Thoughts on the Hollywood elite who have been telling is to where masks, meanwhile they were partying at Superbowl maskless?
Meanwhile children on Monday forced to where masks at school all day.

Please someone explain the science on this one. 70,000 drinking and screaming in close proximity is safe, 30 little kids in a classroom is not ?

The same people saying science is behind them are the same people telling is to take new drugs with a poor peer review process as I mentioned in a couple posts before this one.

In SoCal schools no longer consider cloth masks effective and wearing a cloth mask does not count for the school mask mandate. Not the first time those claiming to represent science had put out bad news on masks.

Mean while early reports are starting to show masks are limiting the children ability to learn as well as limiting social development.

So at the same time we learning masks are not effective as has been claimed we also learning they are reducing children ability to learn.

[58Miller]

Thoughts on the Hollywood elite who have been telling is to where masks, meanwhile they were partying at Superbowl maskless?
Meanwhile children on Monday forced to where masks at school all day.

Please someone explain the science on this one. 70,000 drinking and screaming in close proximity is safe, 30 little kids in a classroom is not ?

[CanDB]

FTR.....the vast majority of Canadians do not appreciate what the trucking convoy is all about. They are blocking trade to The US, they are honking steadily causing all sorts of grief for citizens. They are blocking key traffic areas and taking up private space. They are breaking laws, and in some cases, using harassment to intimidate mask wearers. My daughter, who is a healthcare professional and works in a hospital, has been warned by the authorities to not wear scrubs or appear to be a healthcare worker, because protesters were in the area. How ironic and sad....the people who were our heroes throughout the pandemic subjected to ridicule in some cases, for doing their jobs to protect us.

And most Canadians (I read many editorials/posts) are not pleased about a small fringe group causing all this mayhem, declaring their loss of rights, when about 9 of 10 Canadians have sucked it up for 2 years to help the collective community. Canada is allowed this to carry on with minimal disciplinary action, I suppose to minimize violence, but Canadians expect more discipline, which is happening as of late. I believe countries like France have been far more proactive from that perspective.

I do not know one person who supports these people. And one of the leaders of this convoy was quoted as laughing about how easy this was, and how fun it's been to disrupt our nation's capital.

So if you read about our situation, remember, it's a "very small" fringe group, and there has been a load of unlawful behaviour. And some of the problem lies with those who are not Canadian.

[Hadez]

Anyone herd of John Abramson. Former family doctor who thinks Big Pharma is being criminal in how it manipulates data to get approval for new drugs. Apparently the DOJ agrees as companies like Pfizer have paid billions of dollars in fines.

He also says when doing peer review on clinical trials apparently the raw data is not available. That is crazy because the Scientific Method of determining science is supposed to allow for complete transparency of the peer review before something is called "science". Funny to hear people attack the raw data of other trials of non-approved treatments when the raw data for vaccine trials not available. Abramson says FDA and Pfizer fighting in court to prevent the vaccine trial data from going public. The FDA position can be explained because over half of their funding comes from Big Pharma.

John Abramson on Lex Fridman video is very revealing. Apparently big pharma has been caught hiding heart attacks in trials.

Some could argue this is good reason not to trust big pharma.

To be clear...John Abramson says people should get Covid vaccinated because the benefit in real world data is clear.

[Peanut]

What defines a personal agenda?

Sorry. Been busy. Will get back to this soon.

This question really needed to be asked? I will still answer it but later. I have been without internet for a few days.

Oh, and thread closed again.

[LordTrychon]

With vaccines supposedly working so well as some claim in this thread, and 8x as many people are vaccinated - why are more fully vaccinated patients in the ICUs in Ontario province?

Why are those hospitals being overwhelmed with fully vaccinated patients?

lol.

I never made any claims about the hospitals being overwhelmed or anything else.

Your own data essentially says you're 8x-9x more likely to end up in the ICU if you are not vaccinated.

You can determine for yourself whether or not that means its working so well, I guess.

[BroncosNewEra]

Well, you're not taking into account the fact that there are nearly 8x as many vaccinated people in Ontario as there are unvaccinated.... so the fact that there's nearly a 50/50 split in the ICU means that your chances of hitting the ICU are about 8x higher unvaccinated.

From the same site, though your link was broken.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

With vaccines supposedly working so well as some claim in this thread, and 8x as many people are vaccinated - why are more fully vaccinated patients in the ICUs in Ontario province?

Why are those hospitals being overwhelmed with fully vaccinated patients?

[LordTrychon]

Address this data with ICU hospitalizations in Ontario province as of Jan 28 - these patients are those with reported vaccine status:

199 unvaccinated
18 partially vaccinated
231 fully vaccinated
448 ICU hospitalized with vaccination status reported
231/448 = 51.5% fully vaccinated in ICUs in Ontario

Source: www.covid-19.ontario.ca

There are more fully vaccinated patients in the ICU compared with unvaccinated.

This debunks the conspiracy of hospitals being overrun with unvaccinated patients.

There are literally more fully vaccinated patients hospitalized in the ICUs across Ontario as of January 28, but go on.

Well, you're not taking into account the fact that there are nearly 8x as many vaccinated people in Ontario as there are unvaccinated.... so the fact that there's nearly a 50/50 split in the ICU means that your chances of hitting the ICU are about 8x higher unvaccinated.

From the same site, though your link was broken.

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data

[BroncosNewEra]

1,400 deaths out of a million. That’s about 0.01% and as far as hospitalization goes it’s 5,000 which about 0.05% of vaccinated. So no there is no 51.5% vaccinated occupying ICUs.

51.5% fully vaccinated hospitalized in ICUs is specific to Ontario province.

I think you’re conflating Ontario province with Massachusetts?

[Locutus]

Did you realize the article you linked cites the same source I cited from www.mass.dph? See the screen capture from the article you linked - same source.

What’s your point attempting to challenge data from the same source?

We can see deaths of breakthrough cases, which are referenced as vaccinated.

1,400 deaths out of a million. That’s about 0.01% and as far as hospitalization goes it’s 5,000 which about 0.05% of vaccinated. So no there is no 51.5% vaccinated occupying ICUs.

[BroncosNewEra]

Not so much.
https://www.wcvb.com/article/massach...2022/38785197#
Tracking the omicron surge in Massachusetts: Coronavirus cases, hospitalizations and vaccine information
0.01% deaths among some elderly and people with compromised immune systems.

Did you realize the article you linked cites the same source I cited from www.mass.dph? See the screen capture from the article you linked - same source.

What’s your point attempting to challenge data from the same source?

We can see deaths of breakthrough cases, which are referenced as vaccinated.

[BroncosNewEra]

I’m aware of that,but I wanted for those who may or may not be on either side of the issue to see the actual facts as opposed to the misinformation that is out there.

You literally said Ontario’s government reported data was misinformation, then you linked an article that quoted the same source from Ontario.

Do you realize what that does to your credibility?

[CanDB]

I’m aware of that, but I wanted for those who may or may not be on either side of the issue to see the actual facts as opposed to the misinformation that is out there.

There is a ton of misinformation. A lot of it is dangerous too, because some are trying to steer folks away from what will quite possibly save their lives. But Canada has been one of the safer countries in the world since the pandemic started. This country has had its issues, and there are multiple provinces that do things different, so lets not oversimplify. But I like the balance we have tried to achieve between saving lives and supporting the economy. But yeah, I'm a big fan of preserving life, no matter the age or the condition. And if for example a person is born with a deficiency, I don't pretend to look the other way.

And as a famous American once stated it....

"“the measure of society is how it treats the weakest members"


Stay safe. Respect others.