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  • #16
    Originally posted by PAINTERDAVE
    My Grandpa, born in 1899, lied about his age in 1917, to go fight the Germans in WW1. Dude fought 'em in the Argonne forest, according to the medal, brought home a hell of a photo album, and a preprinted warning note handed to him by an MP in Paris, that reads, "Report back to your platoon immediatly! Your unauthorized presence in Paris will be reported to your commanding officer! Go!"
    We also have his discharge papers signed by General BlackJack Pershing.

    Well, in December 1941, right after the sneak attack at Pearl Harbor, My Grandpa, Grant McKinley Frezierres, went with his oldest son, Grant, to sign up to go fight Tojo. They took Grant, who became a Seabee (engineer) and spent four years all over the pacific. They told my Grandpa to go home and wait for their call when they would need him. They never called, and it irked him every day of that war. Old dude wanted to be there, help out, do his duty, again.

    My old man, he was 11 in 1941. He followed the war on a big map in his room, with different colored thumbtacks. He watched the newsreels on Saturdays at the Theater. They had to use ration stamps to buy butter and sugar. He tells of neighborhood drives to collect scrap metal. In the end, he still has some unused ration stamps. 11 in '41, 15 in '45, Gus had years to prepare himself to go fight alongside the rest. August '45 changed all that. Gus still joined the Naval Reserve in High School. Dude served in the Navy during Korea.

    Anyway, that was how it was in 1941 for my folks!
    During WW1, the dad of my grandpa and his 6 brothers fought. They all came back alive !!!
    The dad of my grndpa was injured at Verdun and he was prisonner then... One of his brother killed a french officer because he upset him... He was condamned to death, but he was saved because the army needed people for very risked missions... He survived despite the fact the time people can survive was about 4 weeks... He did that till the end of the war, more than 1 year !
    Isn't it incredible ?

    During WW2, my Grandpa had to hide himself because he made some missions for the resistance and he had to escape from the "obligatory service of work"... German was taken people to work in germany... So my grandpa didn't want to do this...
    Just talk slowly please... I'm French

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    • #17
      hey

      Frenchie!

      That is my point! Hitler never had to go to Russia at all! He had Stalin as a firm partner and Allie! If he wanted to knock of Russia, he shoulda waited till after he beat all the others, then turn on his allies like Stalin. If Hitler had simply not turned on Stalin, the Axis would have won the war!

      Good on you, Frenchie, for being a guy who would have fought with the resistance! I never did have you pegged as a Vichy kind of guy! I wish there were more Frenchmen like you today!
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      • #18
        Originally posted by frenchfan
        During WW1, the dad of my grandpa and his 6 brothers fought. They all came back alive !!!
        The dad of my grndpa was injured at Verdun and he was prisonner then... One of his brother killed a french officer because he upset him... He was condamned to death, but he was saved because the army needed people for very risked missions... He survived despite the fact the time people can survive was about 4 weeks... He did that till the end of the war, more than 1 year !
        Isn't it incredible ?

        During WW2, my Grandpa had to hide himself because he made some missions for the resistance and he had to escape from the "obligatory service of work"... German was taken people to work in germany... So my grandpa didn't want to do this...

        Good on your Folks! Yours and mine all fought for the same thing - FREEDOM!

        You and I be buds!
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        • #19
          Originally posted by PAINTERDAVE
          Frenchie!

          That is my point! Hitler never had to go to Russia at all! He had Stalin as a firm partner and Allie! If he wanted to knock of Russia, he shoulda waited till after he beat all the others, then turn on his allies like Stalin. If Hitler had simply not turned on Stalin, the Axis would have won the war!

          Good on you, Frenchie, for being a guy who would have fought with the resistance! I never did have you pegged as a Vichy kind of guy! I wish there were more Frenchmen like you today!


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          • #20
            Originally posted by PAINTERDAVE
            Frenchie!

            That is my point! Hitler never had to go to Russia at all! He had Stalin as a firm partner and Allie! If he wanted to knock of Russia, he shoulda waited till after he beat all the others, then turn on his allies like Stalin. If Hitler had simply not turned on Stalin, the Axis would have won the war!

            Good on you, Frenchie, for being a guy who would have fought with the resistance! I never did have you pegged as a Vichy kind of guy! I wish there were more Frenchmen like you today!
            I agree with you Dave... I was just trying to report the military mistake he made... Not the politic ones... And you sure are right abotu that... Hitler never had to go to Russia at all.

            Thanks... I hope there are a lot of Frenchie like me... And I think so...
            Just talk slowly please... I'm French

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            • #21
              Originally posted by PAINTERDAVE
              Good on your Folks! Yours and mine all fought for the same thing - FREEDOM!

              You and I be buds!
              Yep... I feel the same Dave
              Just talk slowly please... I'm French

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Big Bad John

                French Toast (He he)
                American cheers !
                Just talk slowly please... I'm French

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                • #23
                  Hitler was a genius, probably one of the best speakers of all-time. It wasn't just him though; the people who helped out with the Nazi Propaganda are genius as well. They actually had video's of the mentally and physically ill; with questions like, "Wouldn't it be better if they just died?" -- A lot of people agreed, thus they agreed with Hitler because he saw those deficient to be a disgrace to his master race.

                  However he wasn't liked by the people whom he needed in order to be sucessful which I think contributed to the National Socialist demise. I'm not sure how many assasination attempts were attempted on him; but I know it's dozens (just from his own men high up in the SS and part of the 3rd Reich).

                  I still think if Hitler would have sent out some of his Panzer Divisions when we started attacking the Beaches of France; the war would have went on for longer than it did and D-Day wouldn't have been as sucessful as it panned out to be.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Broncology
                    Hitler was a genius, probably one of the best speakers of all-time. It wasn't just him though; the people who helped out with the Nazi Propaganda are genius as well. They actually had video's of the mentally and physically ill; with questions like, "Wouldn't it be better if they just died?" -- A lot of people agreed, thus they agreed with Hitler because he saw those deficient to be a disgrace to his master race.

                    However he wasn't liked by the people whom he needed in order to be sucessful which I think contributed to the National Socialist demise. I'm not sure how many assasination attempts were attempted on him; but I know it's dozens (just from his own men high up in the SS and part of the 3rd Reich).

                    I still think if Hitler would have sent out some of his Panzer Divisions when we started attacking the Beaches of France; the war would have went on for longer than it did and D-Day wouldn't have been as sucessful as it panned out to be.

                    I heard on history channel, that the Nazi's could hear the Americans radio messages, so the Americans set the Germans up. We said that there was a huge army North of Normandy and when Hitler heard this, he sent thousands of men to intercept them. The fact was the army did not exist and there were less troops at Normandy and thats what gave us the upper hand.
                    ---IZAAK

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                    • #25
                      It's entirely plausible for someone to be both insane and brilliant at the same time.

                      I think he's one of those cases.



                      His greatest mistake was probably failing to listen to his advisors. Several of them warned not only against the Normandy ruse (operation Warlord), but other significant military defeats as well. They also warned and tried to talk him out of invading Russia at the time he did.

                      Had he listened to them, things might have indeed been very different.

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                      • #26
                        Oh, that was Operation Overlord too... not Warlord as I previously wrote.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by LoufromLItt.
                          Another great mistake was going to russia during the winter.. I think they were cold? HEH
                          reminds me of the quote from the princess bride: "You fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia." But only slightly less well known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.""

                          i always though he said land war in russia though . . . but that's the script i found online
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                          • #28
                            Someone has already stated it. Hitlers mistake was not listening to his advisors. The Allies got lucky on D-day The Germans believed the attacks would take place at Calais because it was the shortest route. Because of this Hitler ordered all his defences and the majority of his Panzer division to this area. His advisors told him it wouldnt be that imple but he ignored them. He was also told to mobalise the Luftwaffe but decided against it because he saw little use for them during the attacks. This gave the allies total air control on the day making tasks easier again.
                            His final mistake and one that it is considered cost him a chance at winning the war at the end. And that was stopping advances in the Jet development and slowing production of his jet fighters the ME262. He could only see a use for heavy bombers which were by this point getting torn up by Spitfires and Mustangs well before they got near the major cities. Had Hitler followed advice and advanced the jet program they would have been able to intercept the Lancaster Bombers that were tearing up Berlin and other major cities in Germany.
                            "On a given day, a given circumstance, you think you have a limit. And you then go for this limit and you touch this limit, and you think, 'Okay, this is the limit'. And so you touch this limit, something happens and you suddenly can go a little bit further. With your mind power, your determination, your instinct, and the experience as well, you can fly very high."
                            Ayrton Senna..

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by mattos
                              "Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.""
                              Damn skippy!!!

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                              • #30
                                Of course the Sicilian dies ten seconds later...

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