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Oh, my bad. I thought we were just agreeing that we each had different takes on it. You're certainly entitled to your feelings and opinions, so I'm not going to argue those. In those cases where your opinion differs from mine, I'm content to just say we have different perspectives.
I will comment on a couple of things though:
I'm going to have to say college is one of the biggest growing experiences one can have.
I've been in college, I've been in the military, and I've gone out on my own to try and conquer the world as a teen-ager, or a guy in his early 20s. I can tell you that of the three experiences I listed here, college comes in third.
Infact, most kids don't spend most of their time in a classroom while in college. I'd estimate that kids in college put around fifteen hours a week in school.
That's a fair assessment. But they have to make those classes. They can't be out taking road-trips, visiting other places that are far away, spending a week at an Indian reservation or just out in the woods soul-searching... they're in class each day at a specified time. To my observations, the only other things that get explored during the week are the bars, the motel rooms and the soap-opera that is dorm life.
Sure, they get out and do SOME stuff, but they don't really get to be immersed in their world. They see it from a distance for a few hours here and there at most, and then it's back to classes or studying.
My brother is a full-time student and has a full-time job. He'd be lucky to even see classroom's more than five or six times a week.
Okay, and how much energy do you think your brother has to explore life, the world, himself and other people when he's not flippin' burgers or hittin' the books?
I've lived in the real world...
Okay! Great! Awesome for you. Most kids don't get to do that. All I'm saying is that my kids will be encouraged (but not mandated) to do the same thing. They don't have to do it the way I did it, nor the way you did it - but I do want them to go out and do it somehow or another; just like you and I did.
Personally, I don't think there is anything more important to a person than their education.
Neither do I! We agree again!
But in my mind education doesn't just come from books and classrooms - and the second most important area of study in a person's life ought to be their world, those that share their world, and themselves. First is actually reading and writing in my book - in case you wondered. Language arts.
I've seen people with PhDs that were absolute morons - because they could recite factual knowledge, but knew nothing about how the world actually worked. Those that do know can go and get an education - those that don't know - will often never be able to discover it. They can read about it, but that doesn't mean they actually understand all there is to it.
And yeah, your situation is very different from mine - and that matters. I don't mind that we see things differently on this - but I don't honestly think we see things that differently really... I mean you have life experience (you said so above). The how is a bit different, but you got it anyway.
I want my kids to have it too - preferably under better circumstances than either of us obtained it.
I am 22 and live with my father and step mother... It sucks because they treat me like I am 12, but they can do that because it isthere house and they don't even charge me rent... They don't expect me home at any certain time or whatever, but the whole bring girls home thing doesn't fly with my stepmom...
The only reason I am still here is so I can go through college without working a full time job... I realize I could do both, but since I have this option, I take it...
I will move out when I finish college or they kick me out...
I am 22 and live with my father and step mother... It sucks because they treat me like I am 12, but they can do that because it isthere house and they don't even charge me rent... They don't expect me home at any certain time or whatever, but the whole bring girls home thing doesn't fly with my stepmom...
See that's the thing about me living home...their are no restrictions really..and our house is fairly big, so it offers me some privacy.
"The Gagne T-shirt jersey comes with a complimentary can of gasoline and a set of matches."
18 sounds about the right age. Thats when i plan to leave. I do think its funny those 30+ year olds that still live with there perants.
I moved out at 16, started working right away, found a roomate to pay rent. I also started getting raises so I can afford rent, but I still have a roomate for the time being.
See that's the thing about me living home...their are no restrictions really..and our house is fairly big, so it offers me some privacy.
I wish I was you! haha
My stepmom knows what is going on if I bring a girl home and it doesn't matter where in the house she is, she still doesn't want me doing that in her house, because she didnt do it in her parents house...
My stepmom knows what is going on if I bring a girl home and it doesn't matter where in the house she is, she still doesn't want me doing that in her house, because she didnt do it in her parents house...
next time say "would you rather i bring a guy home?"
"The Gagne T-shirt jersey comes with a complimentary can of gasoline and a set of matches."
next time say "would you rather i bring a guy home?"
That's very true, I'll have to try that next time.... haha
I think the only reason she cares, so she says, is because I have a 8 year old little brother who idolizes me and she doesn't want him seeing me in a room with a girl, by ourselves...
That's very true, I'll have to try that next time.... haha
I think the only reason she cares, so she says, is because I have a 8 year old little brother who idolizes me and she doesn't want him seeing me in a room with a girl, by ourselves...
Like i said..tell her 'would you rather my lil bro see me in my room with a boy, by ourselves..."
"The Gagne T-shirt jersey comes with a complimentary can of gasoline and a set of matches."
I've been in college, I've been in the military, and I've gone out on my own to try and conquer the world as a teen-ager, or a guy in his early 20s. I can tell you that of the three experiences I listed here, college comes in third.
Without a doubt! If I were to enter the Military it'd probably be the same way here too. I never really felt the need to conquer the world, I don't think it can be done. I think I've about reached "self-actualization" by now and I have a strong graps of my life and the future that's out there for me. Since I believe that's my case -- college is the next step to completing my goals. It's cool that we disagree here, different strokes for different folks. Sharing our past(s) is awesome, it gives us a more in-depth search into our unique selves.
Originally posted by Alastor
That's a fair assessment. But they have to make those classes. They can't be out taking road-trips, visiting other places that are far away, spending a week at an Indian reservation or just out in the woods soul-searching... they're in class each day at a specified time. To my observations, the only other things that get explored during the week are the bars, the motel rooms and the soap-opera that is dorm life.
Sure, they get out and do SOME stuff, but they don't really get to be immersed in their world. They see it from a distance for a few hours here and there at most, and then it's back to classes or studying.
Agreed.
Originally posted by Alastor
Okay, and how much energy do you think your brother has to explore life, the world, himself and other people when he's not flippin' burgers or hittin' the books?
My brother explores it every day. The kid has a non-stop motor. Out of everyone I know he's the best with people. He interacts with them everyday in and outside of work, he's always on the go. That's what makes my brother special and dynamic. He's a rare case, but I see myself in the same boat as he's in. We're a lot like our father. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO KEEP BUSY or we end up getting pissed off. Life's too important to waste, I don't think I've been bored in years.
Originally posted by Alastor
Okay! Great! Awesome for you. Most kids don't get to do that. All I'm saying is that my kids will be encouraged (but not mandated) to do the same thing. They don't have to do it the way I did it, nor the way you did it - but I do want them to go out and do it somehow or another; just like you and I did.
Of course, I'll probably do the same as well -- but I do want my kids (hell of a long ways off, probably eight or nine years) to head to college right away so they end up doing it. I think my genes and my girlfriends (who will be my wife -- unless I die or she dies) are too good to not make the best use out of. All I can hope for is to be that model parent and help out my kids as much as I can. I don't want to really give a rat's ass about what they do like my parents do, but I guess that'd come easily after the first and second child.
Originally posted by Alastor
Neither do I! We agree again!
But in my mind education doesn't just come from books and classrooms - and the second most important area of study in a person's life ought to be their world, those that share their world, and themselves. First is actually reading and writing in my book - in case you wondered. Language arts.
I've seen people with PhDs that were absolute morons - because they could recite factual knowledge, but knew nothing about how the world actually worked. Those that do know can go and get an education - those that don't know - will often never be able to discover it. They can read about it, but that doesn't mean they actually understand all there is to it.
And yeah, your situation is very different from mine - and that matters. I don't mind that we see things differently on this - but I don't honestly think we see things that differently really... I mean you have life experience (you said so above). The how is a bit different, but you got it anyway.
I want my kids to have it too - preferably under better circumstances than either of us obtained it.
Agreed as well, interaction with others of the same being is essential in the learning process. I just have to keep my "there's more than just you in the world" mentality on alert everyday. It's really hard to especially when there are people who are the exact opposite of us and take everything for granted. Along with those people are the ones who can only see things THEIR way as if the other person/sides views didn't even matter. I'd have to assume that living life on a one way street must suck for those who live it, at home, work and abroad. It's a shame how many people are blinded from reality and end up putting a good life and mind to waste.
My stepmom knows what is going on if I bring a girl home and it doesn't matter where in the house she is, she still doesn't want me doing that in her house, because she didnt do it in her parents house...
My wife and I did "the deed" at the in-laws while house-sitting...she felt sooo guilty..I told her to tell thm that they can come to our house and f***..
I've walked these streets, a loaded six-string on my back, I play for keeps 'cause I might not make it back, I've been everywhere still I'm standin' tall, I've seen a million faces and I've rocked them all!!:salute!:
My wife and I did "the deed" at the in-laws while house-sitting...she felt sooo guilty..I told her to tell thm that they can come to our house and f***..
My ex girlfriend and I did that at my aunts house while house sitting, haha, she was all freaked out about it too... I didn't really care at all. At least it wasn't on their bed!
Who says Canadian's aren't funny!! LOL!!! R.I.P. Chris Farley...
I've walked these streets, a loaded six-string on my back, I play for keeps 'cause I might not make it back, I've been everywhere still I'm standin' tall, I've seen a million faces and I've rocked them all!!:salute!:
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