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  • Give me the truth!!!

    I just bought a book today called "Ideas of Great Philosophers" and I read the first chapter... The first chapter was based solely around the concept of truth...

    What is truth?

    Does it exist?

    Who determines what is the truth?

    etc...etc...

    What are your thoughts on "truth"?
    ---IZAAK

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    " You can't handle the truth"....Jack N......good flic........
    "Go away kid, you bother me"....W.C. Fields

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    • #3
      i believe science gives us lots of answers but philosophy poses way to many questions.
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      • #4
        Whatever I believe is the truth.

        Note: The truth is therefore subject to change.

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        • #5
          truth

          the version of the past, present and future that most people agree upon, Fact. .......or..... the thing you're least likely to encounter all day

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          • #6
            Originally posted by EMCF
            Whatever I believe is the truth.

            Note: The truth is therefore subject to change.
            I agree with that. Not that everything EMCF believes is the truth, but I think the truth is the truth if you believe it or see it. Does that make sense?

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            • #7
              There is no "truth" in the phillosophical sense. What's true to one person is not true to the next, and all such things are pure speculation and opinion. There is no mutual concept of "truth" and there is no concensus about the nature of "truth." There certainly is no factual basis for "truth."

              There is however, pragmatic reality, and that things that benefit humanity or society or us as individuals come with costs and rewards. There is no truth, there is pragmatic consequence - "reason."

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              • #8
                Truth is whatever the majority wants it to be, it was true that the earth was flat, the truth is always changing.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Alastor
                  There is no "truth" in the phillosophical sense. What's true to one person is not true to the next, and all such things are pure speculation and opinion. There is no mutual concept of "truth" and there is no concensus about the nature of "truth." There certainly is no factual basis for "truth."

                  There is however, pragmatic reality, and that things that benefit humanity or society or us as individuals come with costs and rewards. There is no truth, there is pragmatic consequence - "reason."
                  Interesting, and true... philosophically speaking. However, I feel it's somewhat similar to the concept of "zero". We don't know it really exists because it is what it is; nothing - complete absence of anything - something nearly impossible for us to truly grasp; yet without the inference of its existence our technological (and philosophical) development would still be in the dark ages; relatively speaking, of course. It is this, coupled with ideas of dimensional realities and relationships, that leads me to believe that a universal truth does exist - never to be fully understood or realized by us unfortunately... or fortunately...
                  Winter is Coming!

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                  • #10
                    Oh, I agree there are absolute truths in the universe. Gravity DOES exist. Time DOES exist. Time can be bent, gravity can be manipulated. We don't know how, but we know it can be done.

                    Those are scientifically provable, disprovable or discoverable things however. Barring an omnipotent being coming down and telling us what he designed as "truth" when he created the universe though, we'll never know what "truth" in the sense it's being asked here is.

                    And even if that does happen, we have to be willing to accept the entity's word that he is A) omnipotent and B) That he actually created the universe C) That he's telling the truth about "truth" and D) That he actually designed any "truth" to begin with, and didn't do it "just because."

                    In other words... not in our lifetimes. I'd be pleased to be proven wrong, but I think it's a safe bet.

                    So what we're left with is the pragmatic reality and the consequences of our practical actions.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by EMCF
                      Truth is whatever the majority wants it to be, it was true that the earth was flat, the truth is always changing.
                      But that's just it. It wasn't true that the world was flat. Many cultures at the same time (and earlier) knew this - it was just lost to the wounded and dogmatic cultures coming out of Middle Age Europe.

                      Just because the majority thinks something is true doesn't actually make it so. History's loaded with many other examples, and it is quite likely that many of the things that you and I consider to be true now will one day be proven otherwise.
                      Winter is Coming!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Alastor
                        Oh, I agree there are absolute truths in the universe. Gravity DOES exist. Time DOES exist. Time can be bent, gravity can be manipulated. We don't know how, but we know it can be done.

                        Those are scientifically provable, disprovable or discoverable things however. Barring an omnipotent being coming down and telling us what he designed as "truth" when he created the universe though, we'll never know what "truth" in the sense it's being asked here is.

                        And even if that does happen, we have to be willing to accept the entity's word that he is A) omnipotent and B) That he actually created the universe C) That he's telling the truth about "truth" and D) That he actually designed any "truth" to begin with, and didn't do it "just because."

                        In other words... not in our lifetimes. I'd be pleased to be proven wrong, but I think it's a safe bet.

                        So what we're left with is the pragmatic reality and the consequences of our practical actions.
                        Agreed. It's interesting that said subjects almost always lead to some sort of quest for or acknowledgement of a higher power. Knowing that we will never know nurtures further suspension of our disbelief I suppose.
                        Winter is Coming!

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                        • #13
                          ONE thing is true!

                          I want a doughnut now!!

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                          • #14
                            The truth is....I'm Batman.


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                            • #15
                              "Remember Jerry, it's not a lie if you believe it to be the truth."

                              George Costanza
                              Individual commitment to a group effort - that is what makes a team work, a company work, a society work, a civilization work.

                              It's easy to have faith in yourself and have discipline when you're a winner, when you're number one. What you got to have is faith and discipline when you're not a winner.

                              Vince Lombardi

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