Eating Crow...

[Chicago-Broncofreak]

I completely understand that we talk about eating crow and what it means. my question is, how did eating crow get this particular connotation?

[Snk16]

I completely understand that we talk about eating crow and what it means. my question is, how did eating crow get this particular connotation?

From Wikipedia:

It is most likely an Americanization of the English "To eat humble pie". The English phrase is something of a pun — "umbles" were the intestines and other unsavories of a deer. Pies made of this were known to be served to those of lesser class who did not eat at the king's/lord's/governor's table.

At any rate, crow seems to be the distasteful meat of choice because it is stringy, it is carrion meat, and apparently tastes poorly. An old tale passed around amongst hunters advises that, if one runs out of food while alone in the woods, catch a crow, put it in a pot with a boot, boil it for a week, and then eat the boot.

Another dish likely to be served with humble pie is rook pie (rooks being closely related to crows). This may be another clue as to how humble pie became boiled crow.

Another possible connection comes from a short story by Rudyard Kipling. In his story 'The Strange Ride of Morrowbie Jukes' Morrowbie Jukes falls into a place from which he cannot escape. Another man trapped there catches wild crows and eats them, but Morrowbie in his pride declares, 'I shall never eat crow!' After days of nothing to eat, his hunger and desperation finally forces him to do what he swore he would never do - literally eat crow.



Althougoh I also read somewhere that the Americans or British made the otherside eat crow after a cetrain battle or something.

[Kapaibro]

Linky

An article published in the Atlanta Constitution in 1888 claims that, towards the end of the war of 1812, an American went hunting and by accident crossed behind the British lines, where he shot a crow. He was caught by a British officer, who, complimenting him on his fine shooting, persuaded him to hand over his gun. This officer then levelled his gun and said that as a punishment the American must take a bite of the crow. The American obeyed, but when the British officer returned his gun he took his revenge by making him eat the rest of the bird. This is such an inventive novelisation of the phrase’s etymology that it seems a shame to point out that the original expression is not recorded until the 1850s, and that its original form was to eat boiled crow, whereas the story makes no mention of boiling the bird.

[Snk16]

Linky

An article published in the Atlanta Constitution in 1888 claims that, towards the end of the war of 1812, an American went hunting and by accident crossed behind the British lines, where he shot a crow. He was caught by a British officer, who, complimenting him on his fine shooting, persuaded him to hand over his gun. This officer then levelled his gun and said that as a punishment the American must take a bite of the crow. The American obeyed, but when the British officer returned his gun he took his revenge by making him eat the rest of the bird. This is such an inventive novelisation of the phrase’s etymology that it seems a shame to point out that the original expression is not recorded until the 1850s, and that its original form was to eat boiled crow, whereas the story makes no mention of boiling the bird.

That's the American British story.

[CinnaMunMun]

I invented it.

Just like "hot stuff" was invented for me!

[Kapaibro]

Crow Pie

1 crow
stuffing of your choice
salt and pepper
shortening
flour
2 Pie crust mixes
2-3 hard-boiled eggs

Stuff the crow. Loosen joints with a knife but do not cut through.
Simmer the crow in a stew-pan, with enough water to cover, until
nearly tender, then season with salt and pepper. Remove meat from
bones and set aside.

Prepare pie crusts as directed. (Do not bake)

Make a medium thick gravy with flour, shortening, and juices in
which the crow has cooked and let cool.

Line a pie plate with pie crust and line with slices of hard-boiled
egg. Place crow meat on top. Layer gravy over the crow. Place
second pie dough crust over top.

Bake at 450 degrees for 1/2 hour.

The recipe I found for Crow Pie. We baked a lot of these for the Pats last season

[Nick7]

Crow Pie

1 crow
stuffing of your choice
salt and pepper
shortening
flour
2 Pie crust mixes
2-3 hard-boiled eggs

Stuff the crow. Loosen joints with a knife but do not cut through.
Simmer the crow in a stew-pan, with enough water to cover, until
nearly tender, then season with salt and pepper. Remove meat from
bones and set aside.

Prepare pie crusts as directed. (Do not bake)

Make a medium thick gravy with flour, shortening, and juices in
which the crow has cooked and let cool.

Line a pie plate with pie crust and line with slices of hard-boiled
egg. Place crow meat on top. Layer gravy over the crow. Place
second pie dough crust over top.

Bake at 450 degrees for 1/2 hour.

The recipe I found for Crow Pie. We baked a lot of these for the Pats last season

budda-bump-bump-pshhhhhh

*laugh box cue*

[Snapping Turtle]

I invented it.

Just like "hot stuff" was invented for me!

You are so right.....







And Kap, you crack me up!

[Chicago-Broncofreak]

From Wikipedia:

It is most likely an Americanization of the English "To eat humble pie". The English phrase is something of a pun — "umbles" were the intestines and other unsavories of a deer. Pies made of this were known to be served to those of lesser class who did not eat at the king's/lord's/governor's table.

At any rate, crow seems to be the distasteful meat of choice because it is stringy, it is carrion meat, and apparently tastes poorly. An old tale passed around amongst hunters advises that, if one runs out of food while alone in the woods, catch a crow, put it in a pot with a boot, boil it for a week, and then eat the boot.

Another dish likely to be served with humble pie is rook pie (rooks being closely related to crows). This may be another clue as to how humble pie became boiled crow.

Another possible connection comes from a short story by Rudyard Kipling. In his story 'The Strange Ride of Morrowbie Jukes' Morrowbie Jukes falls into a place from which he cannot escape. Another man trapped there catches wild crows and eats them, but Morrowbie in his pride declares, 'I shall never eat crow!' After days of nothing to eat, his hunger and desperation finally forces him to do what he swore he would never do - literally eat crow.



Althougoh I also read somewhere that the Americans or British made the otherside eat crow after a cetrain battle or something.

Thanks...I never would have imagined that this would have been in Wikpedia

CP when I get more...

[Chicago-Broncofreak]

Linky

An article published in the Atlanta Constitution in 1888 claims that, towards the end of the war of 1812, an American went hunting and by accident crossed behind the British lines, where he shot a crow. He was caught by a British officer, who, complimenting him on his fine shooting, persuaded him to hand over his gun. This officer then levelled his gun and said that as a punishment the American must take a bite of the crow. The American obeyed, but when the British officer returned his gun he took his revenge by making him eat the rest of the bird. This is such an inventive novelisation of the phrase’s etymology that it seems a shame to point out that the original expression is not recorded until the 1850s, and that its original form was to eat boiled crow, whereas the story makes no mention of boiling the bird.

I appreciate the info, thanks

CP when I get more...

ick, a raw bird. I am sure they both had some GI problems after that...