Dangerous Dogs

[Davii]

--- Davii, do you have complete confidence that your APBT will obey your every command, regardless of the circumstances ?

Yes, the scenario you mentioned is one in which your dog HAS been trained to be aggressive, or, "gamey". The dog was in a struggle with another animal quite capable of killing it, and acted as such.

IF my dog happens to not listen to a "drop" command, ie is attacked by another dog and won't let go, that's why I carry a breaking stick. One of my dogs was attacked at a dog park by a sheperd. She quickly got the upper hand, I yelled, she let go, and the sheperd ran off. Had the sheperd continued the attack i'm certain more intervention would have been necessary, and I would've handled the situation.

Part of being a responsible pit owner is understanding what your dog is capable of, and being prepared for circumstances such as that.

The few things I would like to point out about your hunting story.

#1 - The dog snapped his arm. I assume he let go and did not, in fact, "violently and vicously" attack your cousin. A dog in a struggle with another animal capable of killing and intent on it's own survival WILL protect itself. This is instinct, by pulling the dog off the boar it is very possible the dog felt threatened perceiving a disadvantage. This is true of ANY dog, not just a pit bull.

#2 - "Pulling" a dog off that is in a life and death struggle with another animal is not a smart approach. Use a breaking stick, it will not only force the dogs jaws open it will not allow them to reapply a bite, or bite you, if used properly. This is a smart thing to have for ANY dog owner that goes to dog parks. Whether you have to use it on your dog or someone elses, regardless of breed. It could save your dogs life.

#3 - From reading your story I assume this is the first time you came upon a pig with only one "grabber" engaged with the boar. This unique circumstance, in my opinion, had more to do with your cousin being bitten than did the dog.

[AZ Snake Fan]

Yes, the scenario you mentioned is one in which your dog HAS been trained to be aggressive, or, "gamey". The dog was in a struggle with another animal quite capable of killing it, and acted as such.

IF my dog happens to not listen to a "drop" command, ie is attacked by another dog and won't let go, that's why I carry a breaking stick. One of my dogs was attacked at a dog park by a sheperd. She quickly got the upper hand, I yelled, she let go, and the sheperd ran off. Had the sheperd continued the attack i'm certain more intervention would have been necessary, and I would've handled the situation.

Part of being a responsible pit owner is understanding what your dog is capable of, and being prepared for circumstances such as that.

The few things I would like to point out about your hunting story.

#1 - The dog snapped his arm. I assume he let go and did not, in fact, "violently and vicously" attack your cousin. A dog in a struggle with another animal capable of killing and intent on it's own survival WILL protect itself. This is instinct, by pulling the dog off the boar it is very possible the dog felt threatened perceiving a disadvantage. This is true of ANY dog, not just a pit bull.

#2 - "Pulling" a dog off that is in a life and death struggle with another animal is not a smart approach. Use a breaking stick, it will not only force the dogs jaws open it will not allow them to reapply a bite, or bite you, if used properly. This is a smart thing to have for ANY dog owner that goes to dog parks. Whether you have to use it on your dog or someone elses, regardless of breed. It could save your dogs life.

#3 - From reading your story I assume this is the first time you came upon a pig with only one "grabber" engaged with the boar. This unique circumstance, in my opinion, had more to do with your cousin being bitten than did the dog.

1. --- Correct --- he bit and let go --- then continued to grab the boar's throat.

2. --- We did not have a break stick. We were totally unprepared for the reaction of my cousin's APBT.

3. --- All 6 grabbers had this boar stretched. The APBT was grabbing where we normally stick. One dog cannot take a boar.


--- Our grabbers were experienced hunters, and also the off-spring of my Shepherd and my cousin's APBT ---

--- They will release on command ---

--- This incident was the first time the Shepherd and APBT had ever been in the mountains ---

--- The Shepherd wanted no part of it ---

--- The Pit Bull wanted ALL of it ! ---


--- So in hindsight, it was actually our fault for inserting an inexperienced animal into a high revolution situation ---



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[KCLadyFan]

az...you have a smart dog....

[Davii]

1. --- Correct --- he bit and let go --- then continued to grab the boar's throat.

2. --- We did not have a break stick. We were totally unprepared for the reaction of my cousin's APBT.

3. --- All 6 grabbers had this boar stretched. The APBT was grabbing where we normally stick. One dog cannot take a boar.


--- Our grabbers were experienced hunters, and also the off-spring of my Shepherd and my cousin's APBT ---

--- They will release on command ---

--- This incident was the first time the Shepherd and APBT had ever been in the mountains ---

--- The Shepherd wanted no part of it ---

--- The Pit Bull wanted ALL of it ! ---


--- So in hindsight, it was actually our fault for inserting an inexperienced animal into a high revolution situation ---



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Got you, I guess I didn't read fully with the 6 dogs, I assumed since the shepherd said no way it was all pit. Not that it wasn't also the dogs fault, but the situation is one where you definitely run a higher risk of something like that happening.

Great story, definitely kept my attention, I need to spread CP around before giving it to you again.... dang...

[Nomad Broncofan]

I like Golden retrievers. They are lovely dogs.

If we didn't already have 11 Border Collie sheepdogs and a Kelpie, I'd probably get one.

I have a Golden (10 mths), he's great and about as loveable as they come. But a few months back, our friends had a Golden and were trying to adopt him to our neighbors and the kids next door to them came running up, grab the dog around the neck basically startling the dog and the dog turned and bit the kid on the neck. But the family has two pitbulls (one very aggressive) and the kids does the same thing to it and the dog doesn't do anything. My in-laws have a pitbull, and she's about as much of a baby as you'll ever find.

All dogs have a bending point and sad to see the so-called (dangerous dogs) have evolved to their current state because of human stupidity and selfishness. Another words training over years and years to be aggressive and maybe even fighting. But with all said, I tend to tense up when I see a "dangerous dog".

[xX-Bronco-Xx]

My dog sleeps all day

[His Wife]

I have a Golden (10 mths), he's great and about as loveable as they come. But a few months back, our friends had a Golden and were trying to adopt him to our neighbors and the kids next door to them came running up, grab the dog around the neck basically startling the dog and the dog turned and bit the kid on the neck. But the family has two pitbulls (one very aggressive) and the kids does the same thing to it and the dog doesn't do anything. My in-laws have a pitbull, and she's about as much of a baby as you'll ever find.

All dogs have a bending point and sad to see the so-called (dangerous dogs) have evolved to their current state because of human stupidity and selfishness. Another words training over years and years to be aggressive and maybe even fighting. But with all said, I tend to tense up when I see a "dangerous dog".

Yes, I agree to a point. But the bite of a Golden doesn't compare to a Pitt---this is what we are talking about in part. There is no room for a bite with a pitbul, NONE, the jaw pressure per-square-inch. And I'm LMAO right now just thinking about this comparison you just tried to make....Think about it for a second. How many news articles are you reading or hearing about regarding the....

Killer Golden Retriever!


ALL dogs can bite under the right circumstances. We are talking about the natural aggression, the breeding to be aggressive, and most assuredly....the DAMAGE DONE WHEN BITTEN. No comparing pits with retrievers.

I really do appreciate your point about the pitbull acts like a baby around the kids. The difference here is simply this....one bite, possibly no child left, just once.

Plus, if an aggressive dog picks up on your fear....you could be in BIG trouble.

If my golden picks up on your fear....she will lay her head in your lap or bring you a toy.

Hey, Nomad....are you getting down on the floor playing with the pitbulls? I like your posts and want to see you around for awhile....take care.

[rcsodak]

1. --- Correct --- he bit and let go --- then continued to grab the boar's throat.

2. --- We did not have a break stick. We were totally unprepared for the reaction of my cousin's APBT.

3. --- All 6 grabbers had this boar stretched. The APBT was grabbing where we normally stick. One dog cannot take a boar.


--- Our grabbers were experienced hunters, and also the off-spring of my Shepherd and my cousin's APBT ---

--- They will release on command ---

--- This incident was the first time the Shepherd and APBT had ever been in the mountains ---

--- The Shepherd wanted no part of it ---

--- The Pit Bull wanted ALL of it ! ---


--- So in hindsight, it was actually our fault for inserting an inexperienced animal into a high revolution situation ---



.

ok, my turn....

...back before marriage, I was living with a guy that had quite the dog. It came, evidently, from some indians in a trade....don't know the story....
Anyhoo.

It's name was 'Bearato"....not sure of it's spelling, but meant 'bear-like'. It was part Golden Retreiver, part Great Pyrenees. It was in all practical purposed a BIG DOG....easily 150#...very long hair, with a 'kind' temperament. GP's are known to be owned by sheep owners....as they will become a part of the herd, and can run down and kill coyotes, bobcats and even wolves.

Anyhoo.
My roomie had a brother that worked in a meat locker in town, and they would butcher buffalo. He would save the leg bones and give it to us for the dog.

Anyhoo.
I decided one day to try to play with the dog while he was feasting on the bone...you know, throw/fetch.

BAD MOVE!!!

As I reached down for the bone, he lunged up and went for my throat.....I was faster in those days and just got out of the way to hear his teeth go 'snap'.

This was the only time he'd shown any signs of aggressiveness...which was from his Pyrenees side....but later, I heard, he had snapped at my ex-roomie's child, so he was quickly put down......personally by 'dad'.

Moral of this story, is ALL animals have the capability of snapping.....



....if ya'll remember, I once eluded to my wife getting attacked by our cat.

[arapaho]

No dog is inherently dangerous. Pit bulls for many years were one of the most respected breeds in the country and were thought of as great family dogs. Dobies and rots were the "dangerous" breed.

How do you come to the conclusion that pit bulls are "inherently dangerous"? Is this your opinion or some sort of fact? If this is fact, please provide links, or something along those lines.

I will be happy to provide links to such Pit Bulls as Sgt. Stubby, the most decorated war canine in US history, Pit Bulls that are used as therapy dogs, etc. etc.

The breed has been given a bad name mostly from back yard breeders that will breed dogs that do not adhere to the breed standard, and reckless media portrayal of pit bulls. Did you know for instance that most "pit bull" attacks are not in fact pitbulls?

Yes, I will find a link to show that last statement is true, I have to find it again though.

Take this quiz, see how much you know about a dog. Actually it's not even a quiz, see if you can identify which of these dogs is a pit bull.

I bet that maybe one out of 50 people on here get it right in the first three trys.

the problem is not dogs, it is owners, it is people. Did you know that almost 80% of violent crime is commited by people under 30 years of age?

I say we ban all people under 30, it's just too dangerous to have them around.

i would bet you breed pits....pitbulls were bred to fight ..and to be aggressive...it is in thier gense..they are dangerous...i dont care how nice and well you train them............my sister and brother in law had a pure bred pit bull...got him as a pup...raised him almost like thier baby...since they had no kids...i knew this dog since he was a pup...never saw him be aggressive to anyone other then the ussual barking...all it took was a lay down for him to relax.......one day i went to see them and the dog was laying by the porch...not looking mean or aggresive...but another small dog i didnt know..came up and tried to nip my leg so i kicked at it...and this pit bull i had know since a small puppy attacked me..without warning..locked his jaw on my forearm, and started shaking..put his teeth althe way through my forarm, and wouldnt let go until my brotherin law grabbed him and got him off me............that is the pitbull...they can snap at any time....sure other dogs will to...but most dogs will fight and let go ...not the pit it is bred for inflicting damage

[Davii]

i would bet you breed pits....pitbulls were bred to fight ..and to be aggressive...it is in thier gense..they are dangerous...i dont care how nice and well you train them............my sister and brother in law had a pure bred pit bull...got him as a pup...raised him almost like thier baby...since they had no kids...i knew this dog since he was a pup...never saw him be aggressive to anyone other then the ussual barking...all it took was a lay down for him to relax.......one day i went to see them and the dog was laying by the porch...not looking mean or aggresive...but another small dog i didnt know..came up and tried to nip my leg so i kicked at it...and this pit bull i had know since a small puppy attacked me..without warning..locked his jaw on my forearm, and started shaking..put his teeth althe way through my forarm, and wouldnt let go until my brotherin law grabbed him and got him off me............that is the pitbull...they can snap at any time....sure other dogs will to...but most dogs will fight and let go ...not the pit it is bred for inflicting damage

Haven't been around for awhile so I missed this one, sorry for the VERY late response Arapaho.

No, I do not breed pits, never have, never will. I currently own two female pit bulls, both fixed. I have sheltered many pits, and along with my ex wife worked with a pit rescue in California and sheltered/placed pits in proper homes.

Properly trained pit bulls can be the best family dog you've ever owned.

In a recent study of 122 breeds of dog by the National Temperament Testing
Association, APBTs achieved a passing rate of 83.4%. That's as good and better than the results for beagles (78.7%), and golden retrievers (83.6%). Like any breed of dog, a Pit Bull that is well bred and properly raised will remain loving and friendly.

Dogs don't just suddenly "snap and turn" against people. Bad apples with sketchy
temperaments and/or troubled dogs that can be provoked to bite show clear warning signs well in advance of causing harm. Pit bulls in particular are a ‘What you see is what you get' breed and knowledgeable dog handlers find them easy to read. Unstable examples of all breeds give off plenty of signals way in advance of escalating to human directed aggression. Dogs with unstable temperaments can be provoked to aggress via mishandling or abuse. They may be especially problematic if they’re unfixed (females in season and males who are attracted to females in season) or defending territory.

Check out www.atts.org and see what they say about pit bulls, all the stats are there for Canine good citizen testing.

When you can put away the bias (Not directing this part to you Arapaho, just people in general) go to www.badrap.org and find out the truth about Pit Bulls.