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    SALT LAKE CITY (Reuters) - A gunman shot and killed an unknown number of people in a Salt Lake City shopping mall on Monday evening, before he was killed, police said.

    "We have multiple victims," Detective Robin Snyder told reporters, adding some of them were believed to be dead.

    Details of the gunman's death were not disclosed, but the city's Deseret Morning News reported on its Web site that he was killed by an off-duty police officer who was in the mall at the time.

    The shootings in the western U.S. city began about 8:45 p.m. (0145 GMT on Tuesday) at the Trolley Square mall in the downtown area, witnesses said.

    Heavily armed police SWAT teams went from store to store, and were certain there was only one shooter, police said.

    Jim Slade said he was finishing dinner at a Brazilian restaurant in the mall when he heard a noise that sounded like dishes dropping. Staff closed the front doors and herded the patrons to the rear, eventually out a back door to safety.

    "We really had no idea what was going on," Slade said.

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    A man with a shotgun fired randomly in a historic shopping mall Monday night, killing five people and injuring several others before he was killed, police said.

    Hours later, police still were searching stores for shocked shoppers and employees who were hunkered down awaiting a safe escort from the Trolley Square mall.

    "We have six fatalities and multiple victims at hospitals," police Detective Robin Snyder said. "They were found throughout the mall. I don't know male or female or ages."

    At least four people were hospitalized, three in critical condition and one in serious condition, hospital spokesmen said. Two of the critically injured were a 16-year-old man and a 50-year-old man, a spokesman said.

    Authorities offered few details about the shootings but said the gunman entered the mall about 6:45 p.m. MST.

    The two-story mall, southeast of downtown, is a refurbished trolley barn built in 1908, with a series of winding hallways, brick floors, wrought-iron balconies and about 80 stores, including high-end retailers such as Williams-Sonoma and restaurants such as the Hard Rock Cafe.

    Matt Lund, whose wife manages a clothing store, said he saw a woman's body face-down at the entrance to Pottery Barn Kids. He locked himself and four others inside a storage room for about 40 minutes, isolated but still able to hear the violence.

    "We heard them say, 'Police! Drop your weapon!' Then we heard shotgun fire. Then there was a barrage of gunfire," Lund, 44, said. "It was hard to believe."

    Marie Smith, 23, had the day off from Bath & Body Works but stopped there during an errand and saw the gunman shoot a woman in front of the store.

    "He was ahead of her, standing still. I don't think she saw that he had a gun," said Smith, who dashed to a bathroom and locked the door.

    Outside the mall, streets were blocked as police swarmed the two-block scene. Dozens of people lingered on the sidewalk, many wrapped in blankets, as they talked about what they had seen inside.

    Antique store owner Barrett Dodds, 29, said he saw a man in a trenchcoat exchanging gunfire with a police officer outside a card store. The gunman, he said, was backed into a children's clothing store.

    "I saw the cops go in the store. I saw the shooter go down," said Dodds, who watched from the second floor.

    Barb McKeown, 60, of Washington, D.C., was in another antique shop when two frantic women ran in and reported gunshots.

    "Then we heard shot after shot after shot — loud, loud, loud," said McKeown, saying she heard about 20. She and three other people hid under a staircase until it was safe to leave.

    Many employees and shoppers — "a lot of scared people" — were still inside the mall hours after the shootings, waiting to leave, Snyder said.

    "This is a huge area to cover," she said.

    An off-duty officer from Ogden was in the mall and involved in the shooting, said Ogden police Sgt. Blaine Clifford, who declined to release the officer's name. The officer was not injured, Clifford said.


    My heart and prayers go out to the friends and family of those involved in this terrible incident!
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  • #2
    This is insane. I can't imagine what those families must be going through.

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    • #3
      Update on the Utah shooting.

      A historic mall’s winding hallways became a shooting gallery for an 18-year-old gunman in a trench coat who fired a shotgun randomly at customers, killing five and wounding four before being killed by police, authorities and witnesses said.

      The shooter, whose name was not released, also was armed with a handgun and had several rounds of ammunition, Salt Lake City police Detective Robin Snyder said early Tuesday. No motive has yet been determined, she said.

      For hours after Monday evening’s rampage at the Trolley Square shopping mall, police searched stores for scared, shocked shoppers and employees who were hunkered down awaiting a safe escort.

      Marie Smith, 23, a Bath & Body Works manager, saw the gunman through the store window. She watched as he raised his gun and fired at a young woman approaching him from behind.

      “His expression stayed totally calm. He didn’t seem upset, or like he was on a rampage,” said Smith, who crawled to safety in an employee restroom to hide with others. She said the gunman looked like “an average Joe.”

      Killed were two 28-year-old women, a 52-year-old man, a 24-year-old man and a 15-year-old girl, Snyder said. Four people were hospitalized — a man and a woman in critical condition and two men in serious condition, Snyder said.

      'Barrage of gunfire'
      Matt Lund was visiting his wife, Barbara, manager of the Secret Garden children’s clothing store, when he heard the first shots. The couple and three others hid in a storage room for about 40 minutes, isolated but still able to hear the violence.

      “We heard them say, ’Police! Drop your weapon!’ Then we heard shotgun fire. Then there was a barrage of gunfire,” said Lund, 44. “It was hard to believe.”

      They say officers treated everyone like suspects — ordering those hiding in storerooms, bathrooms or under stairwells, to lie on the floor with their hands on their heads until police were sure no one posed a threat.

      On the way out, Lund said, he saw a woman’s body face-down at the entrance to Pottery Barn Kids and a man’s body on the floor in the mall’s east-west corridor. “There were a lot of blown-out store windows and shotgun shell casings all over the floor,” Lund said. “It was quite surreal.”

      The victims were found throughout the 239,000-square-foot shopping mall.

      Outside, streets were blocked as police swarmed the four-block scene. Dozens of people lingered on the sidewalk, many wrapped in blankets, as they talked about what they had seen inside.

      'Saw the shooter go down'
      The two-story mall, southeast of downtown, is a refurbished trolley barn built in 1908, with a series of winding hallways, brick floors, wrought-iron balconies and about 80 stores, including high-end retailers such as Williams-Sonoma and restaurants such as the Hard Rock Cafe.

      Antique store owner Barrett Dodds, 29, said he saw a man in a trench coat exchanging gunfire with a police officer outside a card store. The gunman, he said, was backed into a children’s clothing store.

      “I saw the shooter go down,” said Dodds, who watched from the second floor.

      Four police officers — one an off-duty officer from Ogden and three Salt Lake City officers — were involved in the shootout with the gunman, Snyder said. She provided no other details.

      Barb McKeown, 60, of Washington, D.C., was in another antique shop when two frantic women ran in and reported gunshots.

      “Then we heard shot after shot after shot — loud, loud, loud,” said McKeown, saying she heard about 20. She and three other people hid under a staircase until it was safe to leave.

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      • #4
        My prayers go out to them

        People these days.
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        • #5
          We were consumed with this saga last night on our local TV stations. I just listened to an interview with a radio DJ that watched all of this from his window across the street while live on the air. He was still obviously shaken up over this.

          It was so weird watching it all unfold live.

          After it was our main focus here last night, we wake up to hear this also happened in Philladelphia almost at the same time. Unbelievable.

          Another link to the story:
          http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles...13011209990001

          Our prayers go out to the people in Philly as well but I am unclear as the story there.
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          • #6
            I just read about this. One of the pics on CNN was actually pretty disturbing. I started off this morning in a pretty good mood but now nothing but sadness. That gunmen was probably some whiny little ***** who coulden't get his way in life too.
            You've got to know when to sack em...

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            • #7
              The tragedy took place in Utah at around 6:45pm. In Philly, this was only 15 minutes prior at 8:30pm ET. Very Odd.


              PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- A gunman shot and killed three men at a business Monday night before turning the gun on himself and taking his own life, police said.

              A fifth man was critically wounded in the shooting at the Philadelphia Naval Business Center.

              "This is a tragic situation," said Philadelphia Deputy Police Commissioner Richard Ross. "One that you always hope would never hit Philadelphia."

              According to Ross, there was conflicting information about the business where the shootings took place, but it was believed to be an investment firm, possibly dealing with real estate or banking.

              Ross also said the wounded man was shot in the abdomen and taken to a local hospital. The nursing supervisor at Thomas Jefferson University Hospital told CNN that it received a patient with a gunshot wound who is in critical condition.

              According to Ross, police received a report of gunshots at Building 79 of the business center around 8:30 p.m. ET. When officers arrived on the scene, he said, they were immediately fired upon by the gunman, who then ducked behind a door and was found dead a short time later of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

              Ross said it is believed the shootings took place at a board of directors meeting and the gunman may have been an investor.

              "It appears as though he was upset about something that was going on in the company," Ross said. "He got into an argument with several of people in that board of directors meeting and ... he fired several shots at these males in question."



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              • #8
                Terrible business. Sounds awful, just another messed up kid doing what messed up kids do
                Rest in Peace, Darrent and Damien. You will be forever in our thoughts

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                • #9
                  Hearing things like this just makes me sick of the world. Life gets tough and really hard but come on. Its one thing to take your life, its a whole new level when you take the life of someone else.

                  I'm praying for the families and the communities where these tragedies took place

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                  • #10
                    This is such a trajedy. I was watching the news this morning and the one thing that really disturbed me: There was a woman with her baby talking about how the saleswoman of the store she was in grabbed her and told her to go to the back. Her and her child sat in the back of this store listening to the gunshots that were right outside. I could not imagine holding my child in absolute fear like this.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GRLSLUVFTBL2
                      This is such a trajedy. I was watching the news this morning and the one thing that really disturbed me: There was a woman with her baby talking about how the saleswoman of the store she was in grabbed her and told her to go to the back. Her and her child sat in the back of this store listening to the gunshots that were right outside. I could not imagine holding my child in absolute fear like this.
                      There were numerous heroic stories told by witnesses and store owners that had their customers moved into back storage areas and hiding places. One store owner had turned out their lights and locked the door to make it appear that nobody was in there. They then ushered their patrons to the back and stayed there until police arrived.

                      What amazed me was all the people just lingering outside the mall while the shooter was still at large. Everyone was in a daze and shocked at what was happening. I would have high tailed it out of there or at least seeked shelter of some kind.
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                      • #12
                        I’m surprised that no one has bought up why this happens so often in the USA?

                        Everyone is contempt to say “that’s not good; how horrible, I feel for their families” “what bad people” etc…without addressing why it happens.

                        How are these people getting access to high powered weapons?

                        It seems not a year goes by that there aren’t numerous mass shootings in the states. Meanwhile, Americans support gun ownership on a mass scale.

                        People feel it’s ‘their right’ to own weapons.

                        And I agree that in some cases it is ok. My father hunts deer. He owns 2 rifles.

                        But what about the people that own guns for ‘self defence’?

                        IMO unless you have a bloody good reason for gun ownership people shouldn’t be allowed to own them.
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                        • #13
                          Update...

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                          OGDEN, Utah - Kenneth Hammond said tonight he does not feel like a hero, and was only doing what any other off-duty officer would do.

                          What the Ogden police officer did was to help to stop 18-year-old Sulejman Talovic, who opened fire with a shotgun at Trolley Square on Monday, killing five people and wounding four.
                          "I was just the one that was there," he said at a news conference tonight at the Ogden police station. He described a harrowing experience in which he and his pregnant wife, Sarina Hammond, enjoyed a romantic dinner at Rodizio's restaurant in the Salt Lake City mall.

                          They had just left the restaurant on the second floor and were about to shop for a Valentine's Day gift for their son when he heard what he first thought was construction noise. When he looked over the balcony to the first floor, however, he saw several victims lying to his left, and to the right a gunman coming out of a store.

                          Hammond drew his .45-caliber service weapon and began screaming to people in the mall that he was an off-duty Ogden police officer. "It was tense for a few seconds. I'm screaming as loud as I can."
                          The shooter fired at Hammond, and he returned fire, but evidently missed. Hammond said he got down on the floor but knew he needed to find a safer place in case the gunman came up the escalator behind him.

                          When he rose to look, he saw a Salt Lake City officer and yelled to identify himself. Hammond went down the escalator and the two officers pursued the gunman and shot at him. After several seconds of silence, Hammond said he heard what sounded like machine gun fire - it came from SWAT officers who had rushed in - looked up to see fallen glass and saw that the gunman was down.

                          He said he doesn't know whose bullets killed the man.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JC#6
                            I’m surprised that no one has bought up why this happens so often in the USA?

                            Everyone is contempt to say “that’s not good; how horrible, I feel for their families” “what bad people” etc…without addressing why it happens.

                            How are these people getting access to high powered weapons?

                            It seems not a year goes by that there aren’t numerous mass shootings in the states. Meanwhile, Americans support gun ownership on a mass scale.

                            People feel it’s ‘their right’ to own weapons.

                            And I agree that in some cases it is ok. My father hunts deer. He owns 2 rifles.

                            But what about the people that own guns for ‘self defence’?

                            IMO unless you have a bloody good reason for gun ownership people shouldn’t be allowed to own them.
                            Well, it is our right as stated in the Constitution. The Right to Bear Arms.

                            I own a gun...for the protection of my family. I hope to never use it on someone.

                            What people who advocate making the ownership of guns illegal fail to understand is that criminals will always find a way to get guns. Always. All that it will do is hurt people who follow the law and take away their ability to defend their families.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by LDB
                              Well, it is our right as stated in the Constitution. The Right to Bear Arms.

                              I own a gun...for the protection of my family. I hope to never use it on someone.

                              What people who advocate making the ownership of guns illegal fail to understand is that criminals will always find a way to get guns. Always. All that it will do is hurt people who follow the law and take away their ability to defend their families.
                              And this is not just a problem for the USA. Terrorist groups or anything similar can get their hands on just about anything they want and perform violent acts on a much larger scale. So whether it is an 18 year old troubled teen from Utah or Osama Bin Laden, this "problem" will always be there.

                              And many argue the fact that "Guns don't kill people, people kill people"
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