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  • [Nuggets] Woody Paige: Look who was outcoached in the NBA playoffs again

    Woody Paige: Look who was outcoached in the NBA playoffs again
    Posted: 05/05/2013 12:01:00 AM MDT
    Updated: 05/05/2013 11:11:31 AM MDT
    By Woody Paige
    The Denver Post
    Nuggets head coach, George Karl, answers questions during a press conference at the Pepsi Center, Friday May 3, 2013. (Andy Cross, The Denver Post)

    George Karl was outcoached in the playoffs.

    Again.

    In 22 playoff series defeats, Karl has been outcoached by K.C. Jones, Doug Collins, Paul Westphal, Byron Scott, Larry Bird twice, former Nuggets coaches Larry Brown and Dan Issel, Scott Brooks, Byron Scott, Mike Dunleavy, Jerry Sloan, Del Harris, Rudy Tomjanovich, Gregg Popovich twice, Phil Jackson four times and now Mark Jackson.

    The way the Nuggets-Warriors series played out, Karl might have been outcoached by Stonewall Jackson, Randy Jackson and Samuel L. Jackson.

    (Even though the Nuggets have lost eight of nine first-round series since Karl took over, he did not coach in the 2010 playoffs.)

    Karl's record during the regular season is 1,131-756 — a winning percentage of .599. His postseason record is 80-105 — a winning percentage of .432. Karl is one of the most outstanding regular-season coaches and one of the most mediocre postseason coaches.

    Brown and Doug Moe each coached the Nuggets past the first round four times. Marc Crawford and Bob Hartley won Stanley Cups with the Avalanche, but were soon fired. Dan Reeves took the Broncos to three Super Bowls, but was fired. Mike Shanahan won two Super Bowls as coach of the Broncos, but was fired. Clint Hurdle won as many postseason series as Karl, and advanced to the World Series, but, less than two seasons later, he was fired.

    So, why is Karl so impervious?

    I wrote Feb. 17 that George "is beloved by 90 percent of Coloradans," but "more than 50 percent would have Karl fired if the Nuggets lose in the playoffs' first round."

    I was wrong. According to The Post's poll since the Game 6 erasure, 44.04 percent voted in favor of firing. Another 22.11 percent chose "wait and see" — a real decisive response.

    The only votes that count, though, belong to the Kroenkes — Stan and son Josh — and general manager Masai Ujiri. "At this point in time, we haven't really given any thought to making any change whatsoever," Josh says.

    His vote is "wait and see."

    "Wait and see" if free agent Dwight Howard wants to sign with the Nuggets, if the Nuggets can acquire Kevin Love from the Timberwolves, if Derrick Rose demands a trade to the Nuggets, if Phil Jackson announces he would coach the Nuggets?

    They won't be here next season. Karl will be.

    The best situation would be for Karl to be named Nuggets vice president of something, and given a lifetime contract. But he would go somewhere else — Charlotte? — and coach. He still seeks that ever-elusive NBA championship.

    Karl stated publicly that as a result of his two bouts with cancer, and his son Coby's two cancer surgeries, and because of an idyllic relationships with his life partner and their daughter, and new priorities (a foundation and his work with St. Jude Children's Hospital), basketball no longer is his No. 1 priority.

    Perhaps that is why he transformed from "Furious George" to "Curious George."

    I wrote in February that he should go all Quentin Tarantino on the players occasionally. Instead, during the Warriors series, Karl seemed to be meditating and contemplating.

    He should have been coaching up the Nuggets and calling timeouts. During the short-lived playoffs, particularly in the third quarter of the final game when the Nuggets let the Warriors go on a tear, Karl didn't react quickly or often enough to demand breaks, chew some rears and make in-game strategy changes.

    The Nuggets and Karl were reacting, not acting — taking center Kosta Koufas out of the starting lineup, putting Evan Fournier in the starting lineup, playing Andre Miller too long defensively, throwing up long jumpers when the team lived in the paint all season.

    The George Karl laissez-faire attitude and que sera sera approach was painful to bear. George needed to get a technical, get after a player, get mad, get even, get going. The hands-off, head-in-hands coaching doesn't succeed year after year after year.

    Yes, Phil Jackson always outcoached Karl, but second-year coach Mark Jackson?

    Ninety minutes before Game 1, in a group gab, I asked Karl about his assistant coaches. He praised them, but said the Nuggets are a "dictatorship," not a democracy.

    Well, if Karl won't coach during games, an assistant should; but his won't or aren't allowed to. George's milquetoasts just sit there too.

    If Karl is coming back, he must have a strong associate head coach — a veteran who will coach, coax, holler, order timeouts and modifications and be dynamic during games and in the locker room. Jerry Sloan, for instance.

    Fifty-win seasons are lovely, but George's system hasn't and isn't working in the playoffs — when it matters.

    If George Karl can't outcoach, he has to be out as coach.

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    Karl stated publicly that as a result of his two bouts with cancer, and his son Coby's two cancer surgeries, and because of an idyllic relationships with his life partner and their daughter, and new priorities (a foundation and his work with St. Jude Children's Hospital), basketball no longer is his No. 1 priority.
    Is that who you want coaching the Nuggets?
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    • #3
      The team isn't built to win it all. I would have liked to see us beat the Warriors, I felt if Koufos was playing like he was during the middle of the season we would have swept them. We have no one that can consistently win on the boards. Our players look like better rebounders than they are because a lot of teams don't attack the offensive glass as much because they're so worried about the fast break. When GS wanted to, they usually got the offensive rebound, or at least knocked it out of bounds. And it isn't any different, it happened last year with Mozgov and Faried. It happened the year before with Nene and K-Mart. Hopefully next year Javale McGee can take over and we can watch him fail on the boards as well, at least he'll catch some shots and block others 20 feet into the stands.

      And honestly we're not really any better on the offensive boards. Yeah we were one of the best at getting offensive rebounds in the regular season, but that's because we probably play harder in the regular season than any other team. Teams start boxing out in the playoffs (except the Nuggets) and it was harder for us to get those offensive boards that we really rely on because we're not a great shooting team.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Houshmazode View Post
        Is that who you want coaching the Nuggets?
        Find a better candidate and I'll be content with his departure... I don't see one. I'm not willing to gamble away Ty Lawson's prime with some random coaches that'll fizz out in a years time.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by BroncNuggsRocks View Post
          Find a better candidate and I'll be content with his departure... I don't see one. I'm not willing to gamble away Ty Lawson's prime with some random coaches that'll fizz out in a years time.
          All great coaches have to start somewhere. There are also a lot of guys out there who have had a lot of success as NBA head coaches.

          Larry Brown

          Nate McMillan

          JVG

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          • #6
            Originally posted by The Experience View Post
            All great coaches have to start somewhere. There are also a lot of guys out there who have had a lot of success as NBA head coaches.

            Larry Brown

            Nate McMillan

            JVG

            SVG
            None of those 4 scream upgrade to me. Some scream downgrade and I'm pretty sick of Karl.

            Larry Brown. 7 games over .500 in the playoffs. However, he's 72. Is he really worth it?

            Nate McMillian. Below .500. Eh, Karl can do that.

            Jeff Van Gundy. Been out of coaching for 7ish years now. .500 in playoffs. Does he even want in? Doesn't seem like much of an upgrade if at all.


            Stan Van Gundy. Decently over .500 in playoffs. An ass hat loud mouth. D Howard helped a lot with that record. Not sure if he'd be an upgrade at all.

            So out of those 4....I don't see any that make me want to fire GK for them.

            Also, Nuggets said he's staying. So it's a moot point.
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            • #7
              The point is moo.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Broncoholic3233 View Post
                None of those 4 scream upgrade to me. Some scream downgrade and I'm pretty sick of Karl.

                Larry Brown. 7 games over .500 in the playoffs. However, he's 72. Is he really worth it?

                Nate McMillian. Below .500. Eh, Karl can do that.

                Jeff Van Gundy. Been out of coaching for 7ish years now. .500 in playoffs. Does he even want in? Doesn't seem like much of an upgrade if at all.


                Stan Van Gundy. Decently over .500 in playoffs. An ass hat loud mouth. D Howard helped a lot with that record. Not sure if he'd be an upgrade at all.

                So out of those 4....I don't see any that make me want to fire GK for them.

                Also, Nuggets said he's staying. So it's a moot point.
                Link? Last I heard they said they were going to take some time and review everything but that was a couple days ago.

                Originally posted by BroncNuggsRocks View Post
                The point is moo.
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                • #9
                  Vic Lombardi ‏@VicLombardi 23h
                  I asked Masai if there are any untouchables. His answer tonight on AXS at 10:35. Oh, and George is coming back for another year.
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                  • #10
                    I am disappoint.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Broncoholic3233 View Post
                      None of those 4 scream upgrade to me. Some scream downgrade and I'm pretty sick of Karl.

                      Larry Brown. 7 games over .500 in the playoffs. However, he's 72. Is he really worth it?

                      Nate McMillian. Below .500. Eh, Karl can do that.

                      Jeff Van Gundy. Been out of coaching for 7ish years now. .500 in playoffs. Does he even want in? Doesn't seem like much of an upgrade if at all.


                      Stan Van Gundy. Decently over .500 in playoffs. An ass hat loud mouth. D Howard helped a lot with that record. Not sure if he'd be an upgrade at all.

                      So out of those 4....I don't see any that make me want to fire GK for them.

                      Also, Nuggets said he's staying. So it's a moot point.

                      Larry Brown has won a ring, with a team with no superstars.

                      Nate McMillan is a fantastic coach, it's not his fault that Oden and Roy could never stay healthy.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by The Experience View Post
                        Larry Brown has won a ring, with a team with no superstars.

                        Nate McMillan is a fantastic coach, it's not his fault that Oden and Roy could never stay healthy.
                        The question with Larry isn't his ability...he's proven...it's his age. He's going to be 73.

                        Not sold on McMilan at all
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