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  • beastlyskronk
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    Originally posted by DenverBlood View Post
    Jerami Grant bailed to the Pistons despite the Nuggets matching the offer.
    Apparently he wants a bigger offensive role, I’ll never understand it. It was clear to me in one season that he’s not a guy who can create his own shot, in all his years playing basket he should know that as well.

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  • DenverBlood
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    Jerami Grant bailed to the Pistons despite the Nuggets matching the offer.

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Another thing that kind of jumped out at me during the seeding games, MPJ is great at attacking the boards and I understand that rebounding was apparently his ticket to playing time under Malone. But there were a couple times where him and Jokic would go for the ball and obviously MPJ would get it but it really seemed to throw the whole possession off.

    Really any time anyone else brought the ball up they seemed to almost force themselves to put up a shot at the basket. Whether it was MPJ trying to push the pace just to get a shot, Millsap bringing it up and trying to initiate the offense like Jokic, Harris racing down only to pick up a charge etc. Until those last few games against the Lakers even Grant would race up just to toss up a wild layup and end up falling on the court.

    It makes me wonder how much these guys really like the offense we run. Obviously Jokic and Murray can get them great looks but it seemed like sometimes they wanted a bigger role. To which I don’t disagree, I do think we are overly reliant on the Jokic/Murray pick and roll and we really struggle outside of that. Grant seemed to find some touch at the end of the Lakers series and started hitting those wild spastic driving layups and it kept us in those games. More Jokic post ups can benefit but that doesn’t alleviate the over reliance on Jokic as an initiator in the offense. That should be a top priority for Malone this offseason, find another set to run that incorporates the other guys creating their own shots so we can lean on that when Jokic isn’t in the game. Even if it’s as simple as a MPJ (or Will Barton) iso.

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  • lvbronx
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    What this team really needs is a Kenyon Martin who can run, rebound, play D and willing to fight.

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Originally posted by the0rangecrush View Post
    I don't know if I'm willing to overpay for Grant though. He would play for MLE on the Lakers, but it will cost us a Gary Harris type deal. Then we have to reconstruct the bench.
    I go back and forth with it. When he’s on, he’s great for us, but when he’s off he can be a real liability on offense. Not sure how much improvement we can expect from him. His shooting may get more consistent(which would be huge) but he’ll never likely have a tight dribble which limits his drive opportunities that see him end up on the floor just as often as he scores. If he could develop some semblance of a post game I think it’d be worth it, but he just dribbled so damn high and looks so out of control I’m not sure it’s possible. And for as spring as he is, that lob chemistry Jokic had with Faried never materialized.

    It can go either way but there isn’t much out there to replace him with. Bringing Millsap back shouldn’t be an option as he’s only going to regress even more. MPJ can give you minutes at the 4 but you really don’t want him there for an extended amount of time. Bol Bol can’t play the 4, just now court awareness on either end and honestly he didn’t seem quick enough laterally to guard perimeter players. So what do you do? Go super small and hope we can outshoot teams? I think we have to bring Grant back whether we think he’s going to be good or not

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  • the0rangecrush
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    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    Didn’t we get the bird rights for Grant in the trade? If so we can offer him more than anyone when he opts out and with Millsap and Plumlee on expiring contracts he’s guaranteed big minutes.
    I don't know if I'm willing to overpay for Grant though. He would play for MLE on the Lakers, but it will cost us a Gary Harris type deal. Then we have to reconstruct the bench.

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  • lvbronx
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    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    Not Nuggets news but Malik Beasley was arrested on felony gun and drug charges. He wasn’t charged but it likely hurts his big payday
    That's sad to hear. He seemed like a pretty good guy when he was here.

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Not Nuggets news but Malik Beasley was arrested on felony gun and drug charges. He wasn’t charged but it likely hurts his big payday
    Last edited by beastlyskronk; 09-27-2020, 04:14 PM.

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Originally posted by the0rangecrush View Post
    Good season, but it's unfortunate to see the difference in treatment between big market teams and everyone else. Nobody wanted us in the finals, and it showed. We had our flaws, and they showed their ugly heads this series. The team has to play pretty much perfect, because we won't get the love of big market teams. I fear we didn't peak at the right time though. The team will look different, and I bet Grant joins the Lakers. LeBron openly admitted to getting Davis to LA, and the warriors are back. Nobody is saying I'll go to Denver. Unless MPJ takes a major major jump, I'm afraid we will continue to be the bride's maid and never the bride. As for FA, get the ideas of Giannis and other all stars out of the way. Even when we do get all star players like Millsap, they don't get a respectful whistle.
    Didn’t we get the bird rights for Grant in the trade? If so we can offer him more than anyone when he opts out and with Millsap and Plumlee on expiring contracts he’s guaranteed big minutes.

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  • lvbronx
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    Originally posted by the0rangecrush View Post
    I think the time of Millsap is over, unless he is willing to come off the bench
    I feel the same way. I like Milsap and he's a good teammate and leader but like you say, it's his time. IMO we need a tough guy, enforcer more than anything else.

    I also thought Malone should have played Bol a little. There was a good chance he'd just get pushed around but there's also a chance his length would have messed with some Lakers bigs. I would have played him a few minutes to see which would happen and I definitely would have had Bol defending the inbound pass at the end of game 2 where AD hit the game winner. Bol's wing span is 8-9 inches longer than Joker and IMO it should be automatic that Bol defends the inbound passer at the end of game situations.

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  • the0rangecrush
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    Originally posted by lvbronx View Post
    I disagree Joker slows down the offense. We can and have ran with Joker in the past. He's one of the best outlet passers in the NBA as well as having the ability to bring the ball up. IMO it's Malone not Joker dictating the speed. The Showtime Lakers ran even with Kareem in his later years barely making it to half court.

    Can we win with Joker? He's already won more playoff games and series than Melo.

    IMO we need a new and improved Paul MIlsap. It isn't our lack of speed, it's our lack of muscle. The Lakers bigs look like a bunch of weight lifters compared to the Nuggets. You can't even see MPJ if he stands behind Dwight.
    I think the time of Millsap is over, unless he is willing to come off the bench

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  • lvbronx
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    Originally posted by GMTD View Post
    Can we win anything with Jokic? Aside from his defensive frailties, he slows everything down which makes things much harder in transition. We have to pick the lock every time.
    I disagree Joker slows down the offense. We can and have ran with Joker in the past. He's one of the best outlet passers in the NBA as well as having the ability to bring the ball up. IMO it's Malone not Joker dictating the speed. The Showtime Lakers ran even with Kareem in his later years barely making it to half court.

    Can we win with Joker? He's already won more playoff games and series than Melo.

    IMO we need a new and improved Paul MIlsap. It isn't our lack of speed, it's our lack of muscle. The Lakers bigs look like a bunch of weight lifters compared to the Nuggets. You can't even see MPJ if he stands behind Dwight.

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  • the0rangecrush
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    Originally posted by GMTD View Post
    Can we win anything with Jokic? Aside from his defensive frailties, he slows everything down which makes things much harder in transition. We have to pick the lock every time.
    It all depends. Either Murray or Jokic needs to get the superstar whistle. Then they can't play other previously established superstars. If it's a superstar vs superstar call, it will go to the established or big market guy. Things also need to break right with rotation guys. We will never be able to add an elite guy in FA, so eventually we will need to push the chips in for a superstar to help.

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  • GMTD
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    Originally posted by the0rangecrush View Post
    Malone won't go through the growing pains of a young player, so I'm not expecting anything soon from Bol. We won't land any big ticket FAs, and we are likely losing more than we will add. The only real answer is that Denver needs MPJ to make a massive jump, and I mean massive. Problem is any FAs that will help, we have to massively overpay for or they are swooped up into big markets. Next year guys will flock to GS or Brooklyn. Guys will take minimum style deals to play, and it's just sooo hard to compete with that.
    Can we win anything with Jokic? Aside from his defensive frailties, he slows everything down which makes things much harder in transition. We have to pick the lock every time.

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  • the0rangecrush
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    "Asked Jerami Grant how much he wants to be a part of this team moving forward:

    "I'm definitely looking forward to it. We'll see. We'll see."

    Agreed he found his rhythm this postseason, credited his teammates for making it easy for him on the offensive end."

    He gone

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