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  • Originally posted by sra84 View Post

    Kuemper sustained an eye injury in the first round round. And even while dealing with effects, he still played well. He wasn't horrible.

    And Georgiev was an unknown as a full time starter, which is why I had tempered expectations. His performance this year has shown that he is more than up to the task, which is great.
    Kuemper was absolutely horrible. I am aware he suffered an injury and it wasn't his fault but he put up some of the worst numbers of any goalie to ever be on a cup winning team.

    Of the 18 goalies who played significant minutes in the playoffs last year, Kuemper was 17th in goals saved above average at -4.26. Only Ville Husso was worse. Francouz was at -1.06 playing behind the same team.

    By comparison, Shesterkin was +11.93. Even the much maligned Mike Smith was nearly even at -0-06.
    Anyone seen Jake Plummer?

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    • Originally posted by famicommander View Post

      Kuemper was absolutely horrible. I am aware he suffered an injury and it wasn't his fault but he put up some of the worst numbers of any goalie to ever be on a cup winning team.

      Of the 18 goalies who played significant minutes in the playoffs last year, Kuemper was 17th in goals saved above average at -4.26. Only Ville Husso was worse. Francouz was at -1.06 playing behind the same team.

      By comparison, Shesterkin was +11.93. Even the much maligned Mike Smith was nearly even at -0-06.
      I think you're downplaying the significance of the eye injury and the impact it has on a goalie. There were also some defensive breakdowns that lead to some of those bad goals as well.

      Not saying Kuemper was spectacular but he was not horrible. You can throw out GSAA stat but that's just reaching. The most important stat is he had a 2.57 GAA and a .902 save % in 14 playoff games compared to a 2.81 GAA and .906 save % in 6 games for Francouz...all playing behind the same team.

      Point being, Francouz was not significantly better, but simply just as good. Kuemper did his part in helping the AVs win the Cup. He was not horrible. If he was, the Avs would not have won the Cup, or, he would have been benched for Francouz.

      You can't say he was horrible if he continued to get the nod over Pavel. Bednar would have made a change.

      Look, I'm not Kuemper fan. I'm an Avs fan and I just give credit where credit is due.

      If you think he was horrible, fine. His "horrible" performance helped us win the Stanley Cup in one of the most dominant playoff runs in recent memory....all while playing most of it after being poked in the eye.

      But, we got our championship and he's in Washington now, so, moving on.....
      Last edited by sra84; 03-10-2023, 02:13 AM.

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      • Originally posted by sra84 View Post

        I think you're downplaying the significance of the eye injury and the impact it has on a goalie. There were also some defensive breakdowns that lead to some of those bad goals as well.

        Not saying Kuemper was spectacular but he was not horrible. You can throw out GSAA stat but that's just reaching. The most important stat is he had a 2.57 GAA and a .902 save % in 14 playoff games compared to a 2.81 GAA and .906 save % in 6 games for Francouz...all playing behind the same team.

        Point being, Francouz was not significantly better, but simply just as good. Kuemper did his part in helping the AVs win the Cup. He was not horrible. If he was, the Avs would not have won the Cup, or, he would have been benched for Francouz.

        You can't say he was horrible if he continued to get the nod over Pavel. Bednar would have made a change.

        Look, I'm not Kuemper fan. I'm an Avs fan and I just give credit where credit is due.

        If you think he was horrible, fine. His "horrible" performance helped us win the Stanley Cup in one of the most dominant playoff runs in recent memory....all while playing most of it after being poked in the eye.

        But, we got our championship and he's in Washington now, so, moving on.....
        GSAA is not reaching. It's the metric most NHL GMs use to evaluate their goalies. Kuemper was letting in beachballs all playoffs long.

        I already acknowledged that he had the injury and that it wasn't his fault, but it doesn't change what we saw on the ice.

        He absolutely WAS horrible, and the fact that the Avs won anyway just goes to show how great the team was. He wasn't benched for Francouz because Francouz is a backup, and not even among the best backups in the league at that.
        Anyone seen Jake Plummer?

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        • welp lehkonen broker his finger and needs surgery - out probably until playoffs at least i would imagine

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          • Originally posted by Blondie79 View Post
            welp lehkonen broker his finger and needs surgery - out probably until playoffs at least i would imagine
            We've had ridiculous luck with injuries, think we broke the all time record for a defending champion with most games missed to injury by the halfway mark.

            Avs called Galchenyuk up to fill in, he's had 33 pts in 33 games with the Eagles.
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            • Well so far tonight the Avs are holding their own against a strong Maple Leafs team in Toronto.

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              • Avs win the shootout 1-0 to prevail 2-1.

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                • Nichushkin had a great chance in OT, just couldn't connect with that skipping puck.

                  Georgiev looked great in the shootout, Mackinnon's move was nice.
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                  • NHL.'s official YT channel calling this stop by Jonas Johansson with seconds left against the Senators, the save of the season.

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                    • Getting on a bit of a run again. Need to keep it up.
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                      • Wings came out swinging. Hopefully they wear out quick, we look flat.
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                        • Originally posted by Houshmazode View Post
                          Wings came out swinging. Hopefully they wear out quick, we look flat.
                          Seems like they finished ok.
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                          • Helm - travelling with the team, return imminent
                            Landeskog - ramping up skating, still not practicing
                            Manson - not yet skating but doing some stick handling drills on dry ground
                            Lehkonen - out 4-6 weeks, may make it back for the first playoff game
                            Francouz - skated for the first time in full pads yesterday, didn't practice
                            Johnson - skating at full speed, seems to be closer than anybody else but Helm

                            If we can just make it through the year without any additional injuries there's a legitimate shot we'll have the full roster for the playoffs.

                            Malgin has been outstanding lately. Going to be some tough scratches if everyone does indeed get healthy.
                            Anyone seen Jake Plummer?

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                            • Originally posted by famicommander View Post
                              Helm - travelling with the team, return imminent
                              Landeskog - ramping up skating, still not practicing
                              Manson - not yet skating but doing some stick handling drills on dry ground
                              Lehkonen - out 4-6 weeks, may make it back for the first playoff game
                              Francouz - skated for the first time in full pads yesterday, didn't practice
                              Johnson - skating at full speed, seems to be closer than anybody else but Helm

                              If we can just make it through the year without any additional injuries there's a legitimate shot we'll have the full roster for the playoffs.

                              Malgin has been outstanding lately. Going to be some tough scratches if everyone does indeed get healthy.
                              All I want is a healthy roster for the playoffs. Oh, and the number 1 seed, and another Cup.
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                              • Kincaid's new helmet is pretty sweet.

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