The Dark Knight...I didn't like it *Spoilers*

[Skywalker]

it could. But what were the ticket prices for the Titanic compared to ticket prices now? How much did it cost to make the Titanic compared to making of Batman?

- Titanic budget: $200 million
TDK budget: $185 million

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/

- Ticket prices in 1997:
$4.59

Ticket prices in 2007:
$6.88

http://www.natoonline.org/statisticstickets.htm

Article I found:

Even if it edged past that mark, “The Dark Knight” would lag behind “Titanic” in terms of actual tickets sold. Admission prices are up more than 50 percent since “Titanic” came out in 1997, according to Media By Numbers. “The Dark Knight” would have to take in about $900 million to match the number of tickets that “Titanic” sold.

Geez, $900 million to beat actual tickets sold.

[RealBronco]

Wow you found a bunch of rumor quotes to support all the bull**** you said earlier like "he was signed for 3 movies" and "they always intended it have Joker in the 3rd movie" and "Two Face supposed to be back for 3rd". What a waste of time. Instead just admit you spoke about rumors as facts and you have no idea what the 3rd movie will contain like the rest of us and stop trying to pretend you are informed more then anyone else. You were wrong saying that Nolan was signed for 3 movies... which was a 100% incorrect statement. Your back peddling and then posting rumors is horrible.

let's start out slow. first off, i manned up and said i was wrong about Nolan being signed for third, then said i based that information off of reports from even before "Begins" came out. so, there goes your argument there.

listen, broncs, you cannot beat me in this one. now if you wanna learn how to "fight" talk to Rav. he's better at it than you.

waste of time? are you not understanding how completely wrong YOU are? i think you're the one that's far passed not admitting you were wrong. what was it you said: "NO ONE is talking about Two Face returning. I haven't read this. No One is talking about it. Anywhere. Ever." or whatever.

so...i proved you wrong. you never asked for any "deals" regarding Eckhart. you just believed I made up the idea that he was returning...and then i showed you just how often and how much it has been discussed, not only by fans but INCLUDING Nolan, Goyer and the producer and ECKHART himself.

sorry broncs. people have been talking about the return of Two-Face. i don't know where you were.

also, i don't think you read ANYTHING i gave you because i also gave you proof from Goyer that they'd talked about The Joker returning in the 3rd. AND he even toyed with the idea of not even creating Two-Face UNTIL the 3rd installment. so what's your point again?

And, that being said, of course i don't know what the 3rd installment will be about. why would i? i have no idea where they plan on taking it.

i do know that they've talked about bringing back Two-Face and Joker. I do know that they have had plans in the past to do so even before the script for TDK was written.

now let me tell you what can happen now. they may just throw all those ideas right out of the window. in fact i'd say Goyer's hint at the direction they're planning for the 3rd (oh, which also proves you wrong about thinking they don't have a writer or anything yet) and his blatent quote about knowing who the villain will be could mean two things:

1. perhaps they are planning on bringing Two-Face back, which would explain why they already know their villain.

2. they've chosen a different route altogether because he did suggest they wanted to look into some of the other villains never before seen on screen.

but of course since Nolan's Batman films have had multiple villains so far, that still doesn't rule out Two-Face. Or Joker for that matter

And yes, Batman tracks ahead of Titanic because Titanic didn't make money like Summer Blockbusters do. However, so did all of the top 10 movies domestically not named Titanic... they were ALL ahead of Titanic after 18 days. Titanic just kept making money forever. Batman will not. Again, like I said, Batman tracks at about 20% ahead of the best grossing Pirates movie and should finish north of 500 million. Almost every analyst expert agrees.

you know... for a guy that accuses me of making stuff up....you really should learn how to curb the whole: "NO ONE is saying that" or the "EVERY ANALYST agrees" type of statements. What that's telling me is that you read one little article and now you're trying to put everyone else in with that basket and tell me that everyone agrees with it. they don't.

and this isn't even a big deal. who knows if TDK will top Titanic domestically. it certainly has a chance still. if it doesnt, oh well. big deal. i never said it was going to. i never said it was going to destroy Titanic. i'd like it to... and all i gave you was an updated domestic gross.

No one would say that it won't beat Titanic? Really? Sigh you are horrible with your movie knowledge. I hate film students knowitalls. One sec while I prove you wrong yet again:

i'm horrible with my movie knowledge......................................... ..oh i don't claim to be a know-it-all....but i do know that i know quite a lot about film...

but let's move on.

so, this Entertainment Weekly article you gave me... you gave me an Op-Ed piece buddy. this is an article about blockbuster films and how to bring in money to the box office. this is a guy's opinion. but wait, i thought you wanted facts? why would you give me an opinion piece if you hate opinions? this doesn't prove me wrong. and wrong about what? again, i never said TDK would for sure beat Titanic. I only mentioned that those same analysts you were talking about have been discussing the possibility of it beating Titanic.

Entertainment Weekly: http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20216032,00.html<------------------where are the guy's facts that i didn't already give you? what's that prove?

That's a good one. I've read 0 predictions that had concrete numbers that say Dark Night finishes ahead of 600 million domestically, and NO ONE thinks it comes ANYWHERE close to Titanics 1.8 billion worldwide total. Dark Knight doesn't have international appeal like Titanic does... or even Pirates. I still think Pirates makes more money total then Dark Knight does. If Dark Knight is #2 Internationally I will be surprised... but Titanic's 1.8 billion total? Not in your life.

now i'm starting to think you don't really read that often. all you have to do is watch and listen. i never said there were concrete numbers. and what's wrong with a good ole fun prediction? with a movie as huge as TDK of course people are going to be toying with the possibility that it could break Titanic's domestic record. after all it smashed so many others.

also, who said it was going to break the international record? that is a little far-fetched.

i was only talking about the domestic record...nothing more. to think it'll gross 2 billion dollars world-wide is idiotic. i don't know why you're arguing a non-issue.

I think there's a great chance TDK will beat Titanic in money. But doesnt it have a way to go to beat Titanic in ticket sales? I read that somewhere.....I think it'd be cool if they won the ticket sales over Titanic too.

see broncs? Skywalker thinks it has a chance. why not? it's fun to speculate. also you're right Sky. if you factor all that in, then there are many films that would certainly move one way or another on the record list.

they've got different lists according to these types of things. you can bring up a list adjusted for inflation, or ticket sales or what have you.

but i don't think the studio is so much concerned with ticket sales...because right now, it's still making them a ginormous amount of money that could possibly break that record cash-wise... that's really the only record i'm talking about...

you could get all technical and delve into the inflation stuff if you wanted.

here's a fun site to check out:

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/records/

TDK is rising...#7 as of now. but if you look at the inflation adjusted: TDK doesn't even crack the top 20... and Star Wars IV is number one with 1.1 billion dollars in the U.S. alone with Titanic falling to #3...

so that's cool.

it could. But what were the ticket prices for the Titanic compared to ticket prices now? How much did it cost to make the Titanic compared to making of Batman?

here's another fun one. list of biggest movie budgets. although this one says TDK only cost 150 million, which is what i originally thought. *shrugs*

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/re...allbudgets.php

[The Caped Crusader]

^^owned, lol. TDK rocks by the way.

[RealBronco]

^^owned, lol. TDK rocks by the way.

TDK is idling at #3 All-Time for Domestic Gross right now.

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/records/

it'll likely push up to #2 but like we all knew, but hoped against, it probably won't reach Titanic's numbers. It's starting to taper off too much. With other films constantly coming out that are pretty decent, people likely won't return to TDK. Also I think that damn Lucas milking movie (Clone Wars...which we've already seen, jeez Lucas, you're getting old if you can't remember you already made this... come up with something that's NOT Indy 4 and the Kingdom of the Script That Should've Gotten Axed Again or Star Wars: Milking the Franchise for 40 Years) is set to release in IMAX which will take away from those sales for TDK.

hmm. *shrugs* oh well.

[Skywalker]

TDK is idling at #3 All-Time for Domestic Gross right now.

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/records/

it'll likely push up to #2 but like we all knew, but hoped against, it probably won't reach Titanic's numbers. It's starting to taper off too much. With other films constantly coming out that are pretty decent, people likely won't return to TDK. Also I think that damn Lucas milking movie (Clone Wars...which we've already seen, jeez Lucas, you're getting old if you can't remember you already made this... come up with something that's NOT Indy 4 and the Kingdom of the Script That Should've Gotten Axed Again or Star Wars: Milking the Franchise for 40 Years) is set to release in IMAX which will take away from those sales for TDK.

hmm. *shrugs* oh well.

*cough* heh, I'm going to see Clone Wars later today.




But, I've already been to TDK 4 times, if I go another time it'll be too much.

[RealBronco]

*cough* heh, I'm going to see Clone Wars later today.




But, I've already been to TDk 4 times, if I go another time it'll be too much.

Well, that makes sense. I'm sure Trych will be there as well.

It just doesn't interest me. Because the appeal to Star Wars is the special effects because Lucas can't direct. So, if it's a cartoon, cartoon animation and cg can just be ridiculous and off the charts...and it's not as hard to make these grand scale worlds and effects in the cartoon or animated world as it is in a live action movie.

[broncsx3]

let's start out slow. first off, i manned up and said i was wrong about Nolan being signed for third, then said i based that information off of reports from even before "Begins" came out. so, there goes your argument there.

Yea, like everything else you wrote, you based it on some **** you read somewhere when the facts made it obvious you were wrong. Congrats on admitting you were wrong (though if you re-read your post you did a piss poor job of admitting it)

so...i proved you wrong. you never asked for any "deals" regarding Eckhart. you just believed I made up the idea that he was returning...and then i showed you just how often and how much it has been discussed, not only by fans but INCLUDING Nolan, Goyer and the producer and ECKHART himself.

See if you wrote it was DISCUSSED I couldn't argue that. Sure it was RUMORED. Big freakin; deal. What is not rumored? But since you are a film student (and not someone that's good at expressing himself) you wrote this:

Also, three is the end of the road for Nolan and Bale, so why not throw the Joker in there again, even if he doesn't play as big of a role because we all know Two-Face was set up to be the main villain for the third.

Wrong. Everyone doesn't know that. Maybe you had the INTENTION to say "I read some stuff that suggests they thought about making him the villain in the 3rd movie" but you you failed if that was what you were trying to express. You took rumors (that you posted again... yay) and then expressed them like fact ("because we all know Two-Face was set up to the be the main villain for the third") That is where I had a problem with your post, and I expressed that problem very well the first time.

sorry broncs. people have been talking about the return of Two-Face. i don't know where you were.

Good for people. And?

also, i don't think you read ANYTHING i gave you because i also gave you proof from Goyer that they'd talked about The Joker returning in the 3rd. AND he even toyed with the idea of not even creating Two-Face UNTIL the 3rd installment. so what's your point again?

I think I made my point pretty clear the first time... but read above if you are still confused with you taking rumors and stating them like fact. Want more? OK another quote from you:

I think bringing Joker back for the third installment is crucial. They were planning to before the accident, so why not still?

Oh wow, they were PLANNING that already? See how now you are saying "talked about" and before you had actual concrete plans? So congrats on finally expressing yourself properly after someone else pointed out your mistakes.

And, that being said, of course i don't know what the 3rd installment will be about. why would i? i have no idea where they plan on taking it.

Which was my entire point from before that you had issue with. You had no idea what the 3rd movie will be about just like the rest of us not wasting $40K on film "school".

and this isn't even a big deal. who knows if TDK will top Titanic domestically. it certainly has a chance still. if it doesnt, oh well. big deal. i never said it was going to. i never said it was going to destroy Titanic. i'd like it to... and all i gave you was an updated domestic gross.

Dark Knight I guess has a CHANCE if by a chance you mean 1 in 40 or something. What I had issue with is when you wrote this:

also if it continues, TDK will destroy Titanic's record and I really, really hope that happens.

Basically, if Batman "continued" down the path it was on it would end up right where it is right now... on pace to fall well short of 600 million. You made the mistake of pointing out how much more Dark Knight had then Titanic here:

For a guy who's quick to accuse people of making stuff up and writing merely their opinions and not fact, this statement surprises me. Why would you believe that TDK will not beat Titanic domestically? In fact, you're probably the only one that would say it's not well on it's way.

After only 18 days in theaters, TDK is dollars away from breaking the $400m mark in the states alone. That's not even a full month on the screen. And with the summer line-up wrapping up, and nothing major to compete with (after destroying The Mummy) it will continue to pull in great numbers.

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/new...l-in-sight.php

Titanic holds at $600.8m. After only 18 days TDK is just around the corner from $400m. Making that extra $200m doesn't seem like that big of a deal to this movie.

That set of quotes is just... silly. I don't know what else to say. I can't find an expert that thinks that Dark Knight won't go over 600 million? You said I can't find one that didn't, so I found a random article that said exactly what you said I can't find. I can find you 20 more if you want. Check out www.boxofficeguru.com for someone that has a better handle on predictions. He had Dark Knight at just over 500 million 3 weeks ago. You're just a little confused on how box office works.

How do I know this? You pointed out Dark Knight's total after 18 days as an indication on how it will beat Titanic. "making that extra 200m doesn't seem like that big of a deal" Eh, huh? Not that big a deal? Considering it will come up at least 50m short seems like kinda a big deal now, right? Go compare Titanic's 5th week to Dark Knight;s. Then compare its 6, 7th, 8th, 9th.... THAT is why Titanic was so, well... Titanic.... not because it made $400 million its first 18 days.

[broncsx3]

^^owned, lol. TDK rocks by the way.

Please, the day I get owned by a wannabe film director I'll stop posting anywhere on the Internet.

But yes, the movie was awesome

[RealBronco]

what took ya so long buddy?

Yea, like everything else you wrote, you based it on some **** you read somewhere when the facts made it obvious you were wrong. Congrats on admitting you were wrong (though if you re-read your post you did a piss poor job of admitting it)

why is it a big deal to be a real man? is this a hard concept for you?

See if you wrote it was DISCUSSED I couldn't argue that. Sure it was RUMORED. Big freakin; deal. What is not rumored? But since you are a film student (and not someone that's good at expressing himself) you wrote this:

i'm very good at expressing myself. in fact i've been doing it for years. and i've been expressing very clearly the facts of this whole issue to you...but since you can't see clearly past your own ego to admit that you have no idea how the film industry works...then i don't know what to tell you broncs.

i don't know how more clear i can be than now crystal clear i've been already about how something that is being discussed in meetings by the filmmakers and producers themselves is NOT rumors... if it's being discussed by them...you bet your ass it's in the plans.

but again, you still have no grasp on the film industry or hollywood so...you're in the ocean with a hole in your life raft and you don't have enough buckets to save yourself.

Wrong. Everyone doesn't know that. Maybe you had the INTENTION to say "I read some stuff that suggests they thought about making him the villain in the 3rd movie" but you you failed if that was what you were trying to express. You took rumors (that you posted again... yay) and then expressed them like fact ("because we all know Two-Face was set up to the be the main villain for the third") That is where I had a problem with your post, and I expressed that problem very well the first time.

again, a guy who overuses phrases like: "NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THIS. EVER. NICE TRY" or "EVERYONE AGREES" is going to lecture me on how to word a sentence? Listen broncs. I'm sorry you cannot comprehend the possibility that you're wrong..and have been through this entire argument. The things I've said have been discussed, talked about and have been very common knowledge if only you pay attention. but you don't, so you think you have some inkling of an idea of what you're talking about.

just because you are sheltered and don't read doesn't mean people don't talk about what you think they're not talking about. Two-Face has been discussed since before TDK even had a script. again i must say....where were you? what's hard to understand about "Two-Face was set up to be they main villain for the third"? Especially when again, I gave you concrete evidence from the FILMMAKERS themselves that this was the plan from the get-go.

again, not rumors. if you want rumors, read the enquirer or star. don't waste my time with your attempted understanding of an industry i've been in longer than you.

Good for people. And?

you, the guy who has a hard time with phrasing are the one that first over-stated and said NO ONE was talking about this. i proved you wrong. i love how i'm having to re-explain simple ideas to you. that was the whole deal about this one. you said no one was talking about it and i proved you wrong.

again, where were you?

I think I made my point pretty clear the first time... but read above if you are still confused with you taking rumors and stating them like fact. Want more? OK another quote from you:



Oh wow, they were PLANNING that already? See how now you are saying "talked about" and before you had actual concrete plans? So congrats on finally expressing yourself properly after someone else pointed out your mistakes.

planning and talked about... same thing broncs. i already explained this in great detail how the scripting process goes in hollywood.

i don't know where YOU are getting all these rumor ideas. need i say it for like the 5th time? something discussed by the makers themselves is clearly not rumor. if the writers say it, and the producer says it and the actor himself talks about it.... i mean... that's not even heresay. that's straight from the horse's mouth.

people TALK ABOUT ....PLANS all the time. it's called a meeting. and in this case, you've got Nolan, and Goyer in a meeting TALKING ABOUT what they PLAN to do with the 3rd installment. see how that works? good. i hope so.

Which was my entire point from before that you had issue with. You had no idea what the 3rd movie will be about just like the rest of us not wasting $40K on film "school".

oh i didn't pay a cent. nice try.

let's use a simple example again.

i had no idea what TDK would be about exactly... but:

a few things you can learn by paying attention.

i knew that Joker and Two-Face would be in it. i knew the majority of it would be focused on a mob-war. i knew Batman would have a motorcycle or "Bat-pod" and i knew he'd have a pad in the city.

but that doesn't even begin to tell you the complexity of what TDK is actually about.

i don't know what's so hard for you to understand broncs. or why you chose to make a huge deal out of a simple reply to a movie thread. but i can't sit here and not fight back...

what round is this? i think that i've won every one of them so far. and so far you're the only one in your corner.

in the end. it's just a movie buddy. don't get so worked up.

Dark Knight I guess has a CHANCE if by a chance you mean 1 in 40 or something. What I had issue with is when you wrote this:



Basically, if Batman "continued" down the path it was on it would end up right where it is right now... on pace to fall well short of 600 million. You made the mistake of pointing out how much more Dark Knight had then Titanic here:



That set of quotes is just... silly. I don't know what else to say. I can't find an expert that thinks that Dark Knight won't go over 600 million? You said I can't find one that didn't, so I found a random article that said exactly what you said I can't find. I can find you 20 more if you want. Check out www.boxofficeguru.com for someone that has a better handle on predictions. He had Dark Knight at just over 500 million 3 weeks ago. You're just a little confused on how box office works.

this is the part of your argument where you started fishing for things to try to trap me with because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

i think you're the confused one here. i know perfectly well how the box office works. i mean, i was only surrounded by it for almost 3 years...

your little article... you gave me exactly the kind of crap you accused me of giving you. it had no facts in it. it was some guy's opinion.

and once again. i don't care if TDK doesn't beat Titanic. the thing about projections is that they fluctuate and change as regularly as the tides.

i think what you're hung up on here is your idea that this even matters.

i said i wanted it to smash Titanic's record...and AT THE TIME it seemed a good candidate to do so. and there were critics and analysts that toyed with the idea. I never said they were hell-bent on being 100% sure that it would beat the record.

like i said, projections fluctuate very frequently.

right now TDK has about 2 million to go before it takes over the #2 spot. and it's slowed down considerably. although the push back of harry potter could be a good thing for TDK.

and there's nothing wrong with making over $500 million dollars on something you only spent $150 million to make.

How do I know this? You pointed out Dark Knight's total after 18 days as an indication on how it will beat Titanic. "making that extra 200m doesn't seem like that big of a deal" Eh, huh? Not that big a deal? Considering it will come up at least 50m short seems like kinda a big deal now, right? Go compare Titanic's 5th week to Dark Knight;s. Then compare its 6, 7th, 8th, 9th.... THAT is why Titanic was so, well... Titanic.... not because it made $400 million its first 18 days.

awww. $50 million short... boo hoo. good grief. when you're in that huge of numbers, $50 million is like finding a penny on the ground when you have 500 dollars in your pocket.

and the difference between the two is that Titanic didn't start to pick up until later... and TDK exploded out of the gates and is now slowing down.

i was merely pointing out the difference between the two 18 day totals. and by the way, TDK is still in theaters...probably for another couple of months.

i'm not saying it'll reach 600 million. wait. do you need me to repeat that? or write in huge letters and change my font to like 70 pt. as if that makes the point any more clear? i guess it helps you.

anyway... the fact is, you don't even know what it COULD do... yeah it'll likely fizz out around $550 million or something...but then again...it could have a labor day surge or some such and blow past $700 million.

WHAT!!! $700 MILLION!!! QUICK....FIND AN OP-ED PIECE TO SHOW ME I'M PROBABLY GONNA BE WRONG!!! Hurry!

Please, the day I get owned by a wannabe film director I'll stop posting anywhere on the Internet.

i'm not a director. also, where'd you get the idea i went to film school? lol

you don't have to waste money on film school to be a film student. we went the robert rodriquez route and just made a movie...

i mean, sure i took a few production classes in college... but... yeah. now who's makin' stuff up?

[broncsx3]

WAIT!!!

sorry broncs. i was WRONG.

looks like TDK is already at Number Two.

http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/records/

$471,493,000.

also your beloved little site agrees with mine. weird.

http://www.boxofficeguru.com/intl.htm

also TDK is at $800 million worldwide. so that's cool.

looks like only *snickers* $129,295,189 to go...

don't worry broncs. they might NOT break it. lol. *waits for pms session*

Eh I'd respond to your rambling response where you pretend you didn't say a bunch of stuff, ignore the good points I made, and then try and argue what you "meant" but our clear gap in education is starting to show. I'm sure your independent movie was a huge success... congrats on that.

However, I do have one question: the site agrees with you on what? You pointed out that Batman was #2 domestic (and?) and then you pointed me to a link that showed that Batman was the top grossing movie of the year worldwide (and?). Was there a point to the 2nd post (that you could have just edited into the first one) or do you just like to hear yourself talk about stuff you clearly suffer comprehending?

[RealBronco]

Eh I'd respond to your rambling response where you pretend you didn't say a bunch of stuff, ignore the good points I made, and then try and argue what you "meant" but our clear gap in education is starting to show. I'm sure your independent movie was a huge success... congrats on that.

actually it was a huge success. we premiered with a full auditorium in a national theater chain.

also, i've yet to pretend i haven't said anything i didn't say. i've done a load of backing up what i've said for you... that you're clearly missing. but that's about it. this is a case of you taking what i've said, and misunderstanding almost all of it, getting bent out of shape for no reason...and trying to tell me i don't know what i'm talking about.

then i come back and prove that i'm right, and you still try to tell me i'm not. that's just futile broncs. i don't need any more evidence than the bunch i already gave you. i don't know how else to put it. i didn't use big words, i didn't even use a foreign language. it was pretty straight forward.

you're suffering one big giant misinterpretation methinks.

and i don't get why. there's nothing to misinterpret. i've reiterated everything i've been saying over and over again.

i'd say you're right about the education gap here. but that's a bit low... and really just fishing when you know you don't have much else.

i'm sorry you can't comprehend what i've meant this whole time.

i wouldn't ignore your good points if you made any.

However, I do have one question: the site agrees with you on what? You pointed out that Batman was #2 domestic (and?) and then you pointed me to a link that showed that Batman was the top grossing movie of the year worldwide (and?). Was there a point to the 2nd post (that you could have just edited into the first one) or do you just like to hear yourself talk about stuff you clearly suffer comprehending?

i never said it agreed with me. i said the two sites agreed with each other. also i think we both agree here. i wasn't too sure what point you were trying to make here. i don't really care if TDK doesn't beat Titanic.

Actually let me be perfectly clear here: it won't. and i know that because i know how the theater industry works. but i don't think you do...or you wouldn't have tried to sit here and convince people i don't know what i'm talking about.

also i never said it would break the record. in fact here's what i said:

also if it continues, TDK will destroy Titanic's record and I really, really hope that happens.

see there's where you got confused. notice i said: IF. i said if it continued the way it was, it would smash Titanic's record (and it would've). but that in no way means that i said it was absolutely going to break that record.

i don't know where you got that idea. see, in the industry, studios send out "x" amount of prints to "x" amount of theatres... as the run continues on, theatres will drop prints down from whatever number they received, to maybe one print, and move it to a smaller house. and a lot of theatres, like the small ones, get rid of the print all together.

this is what's happening with TDK. it's getting dwindled down. it will continue to bring in money, but it's not going to reach that crucial number.

what a huge difference such a small word can make huh?

also my point about the 18 day mark was merely that. that was the way it was currently tracking at that time. and IF it continued, you bet it would've beat Titanic. but it didn't. i also said: "it seems like" i didn't say: "TDK will have no problem making that extra $200 million" i think that's what you got out of the phrase... but that is not even close to what that means.

also, it doesn't even matter. i don't know why you're so hung up on the box office record thing.

more re-cap:

1. I said Nolan was signed for a 3rd.

--I was wrong. I clearly admitted it. i don't know how you can "not do a good job of admitting your wrong" you're arguing the degree of my admission, why?

so one point for you.

2. i said everyone knows Face will return.

--you said no one is talking about this, and no one has ever said that. ever.

you were clearly wrong. people have been talking about it. for a long time. and those people, most noteably are the filmmakers themselves.

still having trouble with that one?

you never asked me for evidence that he was clearly going to be in the movie. you just merely said i made the whole thing up about people talking about it. and then you were clearly wrong about it. i didn't make it up.

one point for me.

3. You said no one was signed on for a third. and they didn't even have any writers yet.

---then i gave you proof that Christian Bale was signed for 3 films and a "team-up" film.

---i also gave you proof that Goyer and Nolan are already throwing ideas around for the plot of the third movie, clearly indicating they'll be working on the script. that's pretty straight forward.

two points for me.

heck, that's enough already. i don't know what more you are looking for. it's pretty cut, dry and clear.

*shrugs* what were you getting at again?

i love that you're so worked up about a topic that's so mundane.

oh yeah... and the whole bit about creating a new post. you can only have so many characters pure post. you should know this.

[Snk16]

I haven't seen the movie, but this is still hillarious. I bet it's funnier to those who have seen it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2yv8...&feature=bz302

I can't tell...is that a question or a declarative statement.

[RealBronco]

Please, the day I get owned by a wannabe film director I'll stop posting anywhere on the Internet.

But yes, the movie was awesome

I guess you can cancel your internet connection.

This