Black Ops--top selling game of all time

[Amari24]

I was generally speaking. Usually multiplatform games are more popular because it gives everyone a chance to play and judge them, whereas most exclusive games are so under the radar that you probably didn't even know they existed, such as Crysis before it came to consoles. Halo is a franchise that has been around for almost a decade, and since shooters are the biggest thing now, it's only natural that one would know of it's existence. CoD is more popular simply because it's multiplatform, simple, well established, and easier to play. Halo has a far more interesting storyline, and other things going on, which is why I say it's more for the hardcore gaming audience. Casual gamers don't care about storylines in their games, they just want to be able to pick it up and play, and imo Halo, unlike CoD, isn't a game you can just start playing out of the blue, and expect to be good at.

[Hoserman117]

I liken Call of Duty to your typical blockbuster movie (Avatar?) Nobody is saying the game sucks, or that it doesn't have it's very fun aspects (at least I don't think so), it's just that the game lacks a certain kind of polish and true quality that a game like Mass Effect may have.

I'm sure everybody here could agree that they've had fun with CoD at some point, it's hard not to have fun with it, just like most people wouldn't say they saw Avatar and thought it sucked.

Avatar completely blew every other movie out of the water in terms of sales, yet pretty much everybody would agree that it is more of just a fun money maker, rather than a great piece of film.

I think the point most of us are trying to make is that CoD has it's mindless fun, but just because it's the best selling game doesn't put it in the class of those truly polished, great games.

[Sync]

It's just your generic run of the mill FPS, and since it's a multiplatform game, it's well known to the casual gamer audience, unlike games such as Killzone or Halo which are exclusives, so they aren't as known, and they require more skill and patience to play and master.

You can't seriously believe Halo isn't as "known" as Call of Duty. Combat Evolved has made more headlines and inspired more games than any console-based title, period. It may have been an Xbox exclusive but the game is probably only 2nd to Counter Strike in the list of titles absolutely everyone on earth with any knowledge of Western popular culture has heard of. Halo may be a considerably more difficult game to reach a decent skill level at but the community is certainly not as elitist as you're making out - I'd wager that when any FPS fan buys an Xbox, they pick up two titles. The latest CoD and the latest Halo. Halo has always been made for a casual audience just like every other successful title on any platform.

The reason it has been more successful and is played at a higher level competitively is that there's a lot more being factored into each gunfight in a game like Halo (power weapon spawns, map control, shields). CoD is considerably simpler, but the franchise has always been a pure twitch shooter, all about reaction time and speed (but admittedly not much else). The problem with the latest titles is that the game has started to be a little too forgiving (killstreaks, perks, nerfed rifles, botched hitboxes) to make up for the fact your average player isn't a fast nor accurate shot - whereas Halo hasn't had to undergo this transformation due to the type of game it is. That being said, on either game a team of skilled players versus a team of pubstars will always result in the same outcome.

[Amari24]

LOL I'm sorry if me spelling Crysis wrong totally threw off my point. I don't play those other shooters so you're rants about me getting owned don't matter. I'm not saying sales is the BOTTOM line but it also can't be denied either. I mean whats the difference between a shooter and a "hardcore shooter" that only "Gaming elite" like you play? Bulletstorm, Killzone, etc all look cool but they aren't my cup of tea. I guess if you're so mad at CoD, don't buy it and dont post in here...simple as that?

LOL I'm sorry if me spelling Crysis wrong totally threw off my point

It's ok, at least you spelled it right this time.

I don't play those other shooters so you're rants about me getting owned don't matter

That was the point... take someone who plays strictly Call of Duty, they'll have a hard time playing a game like Killzone, which has a heavy system. This point was proven with Killzone 2, as a bunch of CoD players started bashing it because it had a heavy system that they weren't used to.

I mean whats the difference between a shooter and a "hardcore shooter" that only "Gaming elite" like you play?

Uh.. because most games are made for the casual audience. Now most of the gaming industry is made for casual gamers because they'll bring in the most money, that's why the Wii basically destroyed the PS3 and 360 in sales at first. Same with FPS.

The gaming market in the US, is dominated by FPS, and with CoD you can easily pick it up and play, and not have to get used to anything. It's just your generic run of the mill FPS, and since it's a multiplatform game, it's well known to the casual gamer audience, unlike games such as Killzone or Halo which are exclusives, so they aren't as known, and they require more skill and patience to play and master. No one's claiming to be a gaming elite here, I'm just stating the difference between games that are marketed towards different audiences.

I guess if you're so mad at CoD, don't buy it and dont post in here...simple as that?

I'm not mad at CoD, I just don't get how everyone sits there and worship a rehashed product. I've never bought a CoD game before, not even the one's on the PS2. And last I checked, this is my thread, that I started, so I can post here if I want as far as I'm concerned.

[BarkdogRX7]

First of all it's "Crysis" not Crysys. And how can you call games that get 9/10 ratings, underdogs? Just because they aren't as hyped or overrated as CoD doesn't make them underdogs. And do you want me to throw out other examples to refute this sales=good game, formula you guys have going on here? Sales don't mean anything at all.

Who cares what other people like. If everyone liked CoD it would have 3 times the number of sales it does now, and since that's not the case, that means there are millions of other people who DON'T like it, so you proved nothing.

And like I said, CoD is marketed towards casual gamers, while games like Killzone, Crysis, or Halo are for more of the hardcore gamers. CoD is so popular because you can pick it up and play with ease, and it doesn't take much time to master, hence why it's marketed towards casual gamers. Take someone who plays nothing but CoD and send them to Killzone 3 online, they'd get destroyed. Killzone and Halo are multiplayers that require actual skill to be succesful at, CoD doesn't require that, you can basically get a positive k/d ratio without even trying.

I dare you to play Killzone online. I guarntee you'll have a sub-par k/d ratio.

LOL I'm sorry if me spelling Crysis wrong totally threw off my point. I don't play those other shooters so you're rants about me getting owned don't matter. I'm not saying sales is the BOTTOM line but it also can't be denied either. I mean whats the difference between a shooter and a "hardcore shooter" that only "Gaming elite" like you play? Bulletstorm, Killzone, etc all look cool but they aren't my cup of tea. I guess if you're so mad at CoD, don't buy it and dont post in here...simple as that?

[JakeNbake]

well said and pure truth.

just like the madden games.

HATERS GONNA HATE...

.... I don't know why I'm quoting you Baph sorry... haha


If people don't like CoD don't buy it.

It's that simple.... if you like them... Buy them.

If you like a game play it.... if not don't play it......

DURRRRRRRRRRRRR

[baphamet]

Or they could just say...

"Thank you for successfully allowing us to recycle our game over and over again, we appreciate you guys for going out, and burning your hard earned cash to buy our rehashed product."

well said and pure truth.

just like the madden games.

[Amari24]

Never said it was the best game ever. Sales do indicate success. You guys need to get off your high horse and calm down they're video games ffs. If you dont like it, awesome, a whole lot more people do.

First of all I never said it wasn't successful. I said you can't use sales as an indication of a good product. And apparently you disregarded my example proving that point. I'll just end it by saying quality over quanity.

[InsaneBlaze23]

I play BO pretty much every time I'm online.

I occasionally play some BFBC2 (or Halo) but I'm a Call of Duty player at heart and have been since 2005. It annoys the hell out of me sometimes, and it could've been improved, but then again every game annoys me occasionally and we have yet to see a perfect game... Although OoT on N64 came close. As far as I'm concerned Black Ops is pretty damn good. I don't think there's anyone who has the right to tell me I can't make that call. I have a pretty solid background... A lot of the first guys I had on my FL when I started playing CoD ended up being the people the resident "experts" sub to on youtube!



I think it's stupid having these kind of debates about a game. You either enjoy a game or you don't, it's about having fun. There's no point picking it apart and arguing about what takes more skill because there's no end to a discussion like that. If you dislike it, unless the game was actually unplayable (Two Worlds) or was about kittens being slaughtered (... don't actually have an example) it's probably down to personal preference.

P.S. @IB, In my experience anyone who actually uses the phrase U MAD is getting PO'd themselves (and probably six years old), but your advice is fantastic. I will stop listening to you. Peace.

Good, now where getting somewhere.:thumb:

[Sync]

I play BO pretty much every time I'm online.

I occasionally play some BFBC2 (or Halo) but I'm a Call of Duty player at heart and have been since 2005. It annoys the hell out of me sometimes, and it could've been improved, but then again every game annoys me occasionally and we have yet to see a perfect game... Although OoT on N64 came close. As far as I'm concerned Black Ops is pretty damn good. I don't think there's anyone who has the right to tell me I can't make that call. I have a pretty solid background... A lot of the first guys I had on my FL when I started playing CoD ended up being the people the resident "experts" sub to on youtube!



I think it's stupid having these kind of debates about a game. You either enjoy a game or you don't, it's about having fun. There's no point picking it apart and arguing about what takes more skill because there's no end to a discussion like that. If you dislike it, unless the game was actually unplayable (Two Worlds) or was about kittens being slaughtered (... don't actually have an example) it's probably down to personal preference.

P.S. @IB, In my experience anyone who actually uses the phrase U MAD is getting PO'd themselves (and probably six years old), but your advice is fantastic. I will stop listening to you. Peace.

[InsaneBlaze23]

Lol, the dude still plays the game too. I'll admit it's not my favorite. But it's fun some things piss me off. But I don't like getting beat so that's probably why.

I have fun and usually do pretty well when I play it. So I'm not worried too much about it.

I only play the game when I get tired of my friends begging me to get on it.

[InsaneBlaze23]

No, just a very vocal and very annoying minority. Unless you truly believed that 100% of the people on Xbox LIVE would like Black Ops. It's getting old listening to this stuff... If you don't like it, don't play it. It's a game. If your friends don't like it, awesome! There are still millions of people outside your circle of amigos playing it every single day, so feel free to remove your drop of water from the ocean.

U Mad!!!???
I don't really care what your opinion is on my opinion, if you find the people that dislike Call of Duty, then thats fine, but you control you. Stop listening and reading if it annoys you, it's really simple.

[JakeNbake]

No, just a very vocal and very annoying minority. Unless you truly believed that 100% of the people on Xbox LIVE would like Black Ops. It's getting old listening to this stuff... If you don't like it, don't play it. It's a game. If your friends don't like it, awesome! There are still millions of people outside your circle of amigos playing it every single day, so feel free to remove your drop of water from the ocean.

Lol, the dude still plays the game too. I'll admit it's not my favorite. But it's fun some things piss me off. But I don't like getting beat so that's probably why.

I have fun and usually do pretty well when I play it. So I'm not worried too much about it.

[Sync]

A whole lot more people don't:paper:

No, just a very vocal and very annoying minority. Unless you truly believed that 100% of the people on Xbox LIVE would like Black Ops. It's getting old listening to this stuff... If you don't like it, don't play it. It's a game. If your friends don't like it, awesome! There are still millions of people outside your circle of amigos playing it every single day, so feel free to remove your drop of water from the ocean.

[Rollo]

Campaigns are boring.
Multiplayer is where its at.

And every Cod feels drastrically different IMO