Playstation 4 confirmed!

[Amari24]

Incredible news. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6315511...pstory%3Btitle

[Alastor]

I have to admit that I'm truly stunned. It seems to me that the current generation of games has yet to truly test the potential of either the 360 or the PS3.

Why on Earth are they creating a new product for which there is no real demand? I guess they hope to survive off of technocrats and impractical consumers until the current generation is actually obsolete, but really, the current generation is nowhere near obsolete.

They have yet to test the limits of either system in terms of gaming.

I gotta admit, depending on when they plan to push it to market... I'm genuinely surprised.

If they're just announcing it now and they plan to release it a few years down the road, that's one thing. If it's going to be soon though, then I genuinely have to admit that I don't see the reasoning behind releasing a product that there's no need for, especially in a rough economy where people are making more fundamentally intelligent decisions.

[Alastor]

Oh... I see:

The PS3 still has a product life, but this is a platform business, so for the future platform--when we'll be introducing what product I cannot discuss that--but our development work is already under way, so the costs are incurred there." (Emphasis added.)

Okay, then that's what I expected. They've probably been working on the PS4 since before the PS3 came out. This is kind of a no-brainer to me. Sure, they're working on it. It's not going to be soon though.

Okay, that makes more sense to me.

[Amari24]

I agree, they wanted the PS3 on the market for 10 years, they can release the PS4 in 2014, and officially discontinue the PS3 in 2016. By that time, it'd be a 10 year lifespan for the PS3. Good plan on Sony's part. If they can sort out the security issues, they could end up stealing the next gen. It's good to see that they're staying aggressive and not losing hope. They literally can't afford to come in last place again.

[12and4]

How many games have even utilized the 1080p resolution?

[Gordon Freeman]

I have to admit that I'm truly stunned. It seems to me that the current generation of games has yet to truly test the potential of either the 360 or the PS3.

Why on Earth are they creating a new product for which there is no real demand? I guess they hope to survive off of technocrats and impractical consumers until the current generation is actually obsolete, but really, the current generation is nowhere near obsolete.

They have yet to test the limits of either system in terms of gaming.

Not really, both systems contain a pitiful amount of RAM which is needed for current high res texture modeling. Many developers have started to complain.

[jcdavey]

I have to admit that I'm truly stunned. It seems to me that the current generation of games has yet to truly test the potential of either the 360 or the PS3.

Why on Earth are they creating a new product for which there is no real demand? I guess they hope to survive off of technocrats and impractical consumers until the current generation is actually obsolete, but really, the current generation is nowhere near obsolete.

They have yet to test the limits of either system in terms of gaming.

I gotta admit, depending on when they plan to push it to market... I'm genuinely surprised.

If they're just announcing it now and they plan to release it a few years down the road, that's one thing. If it's going to be soon though, then I genuinely have to admit that I don't see the reasoning behind releasing a product that there's no need for, especially in a rough economy where people are making more fundamentally intelligent decisions.

you could have replaced 360 and ps3 with xbox and ps2 in that first paragraph cause that's how it was last cycle

untapped potential

this is how it's done, come out with a system every now and then to get money money money

playstation debuts in 1994
ps2 debuts in 2000
then ps3 rolls out by 2006

Xbox debuts in 2001
360 debuts in 2005

nintendo 64 debuts in 1996
gamecube debuts in 2000
wii debuts in 2006

there's nothing new here really

according to pattern , all 3 should already have a succesor coming out soon anyway

it's never about untapped technology, it's about cashing in on sequels

[Alastor]

Not really, both systems contain a pitiful amount of RAM which is needed for current high res texture modeling. Many developers have started to complain.

That's just eye candy. Many TVs and graphics engines can render a sharper image than the human eye can detect. This was true a couple of years ago actually.

There's a ceiling to graphical advancement. Maybe not to the level of detail an artist adds, but to the representation of what's present, there's a ceiling.

Other than that, these systems are pretty much untested. Games are about more than eye candy. If I just wanted to look at something pretty, I assure you it wouldn't be Princess Toadstool.

[jcdavey]

if the ps4 doesn't come out till 2014, that's actually more shocking to me lol

[Hoserman117]

That's just eye candy. Many TVs and graphics engines can render a sharper image than the human eye can detect. This was true a couple of years ago actually.

There's a ceiling to graphical advancement. Maybe not to the level of detail an artist adds, but to the representation of what's present, there's a ceiling.

Other than that, these systems are pretty much untested. Games are about more than eye candy. If I just wanted to look at something pretty, I assure you it wouldn't be Princess Toadstool.

I still don't agree with this. Console games simply cannot pump out the things that a computer can do, and those are miles ahead of where consoles are tech wise. All that is left to do with these consoles is improve the graphics engines and the software optimization. Crysis 2 was done purely with genius coding and optimizing the hell out of the Cryengine. It wasn't just that the devs beforehand were too lazy to push the 360 a little harder.

[Amari24]

How many games have even utilized the 1080p resolution?

Well if you go on PC you can basically play every game at 1080p at 60fps. On consoles, only a handful of games actually use 1080p, and even they aren't "true" 1080p. Actually they're all 720p, but some games are scaled to make it look like they're 1080p.

PS4 should have..

-Blu ray
-all games at native 1080p
-at least 45fps
-3 GBs or so of RAM
-latest DirectX (maybe DirectX12)
-a good cooling system to prevent overheating
-good graphics card and processor

And last but not least, good games!

[Amari24]

I still don't agree with this. Console games simply cannot pump out the things that a computer can do, and those are miles ahead of where consoles are tech wise. All that is left to do with these consoles is improve the graphics engines and the software optimization. Crysis 2 was done purely with genius coding and optimizing the hell out of the Cryengine. It wasn't just that the devs beforehand were too lazy to push the 360 a little harder.

This. Actually, a year before Crysis was even release, Crytek stated that Cryengine was running better on the PS3. Game comes out, what do you know, the 360 version is better. What Sony and MS need to do is give their consoles "PC like" artitechure. Base consoles off of what's hot now with PCs, just use cheaper parts for them to make them cost less.

[Amari24]

if the ps4 doesn't come out till 2014, that's actually more shocking to me lol

When would you want it to come out? They wouldn't want to release it later than that, or they'll risk falling too far behind Nintendo, and possibly Microsoft. Release it too early, and they'll just start losing support and money with the PS3. 2014 is the perfect date.

[12and4]

Well if you go on PC you can basically play every game at 1080p at 60fps. On consoles, only a handful of games actually use 1080p, and even they aren't "true" 1080p. Actually they're all 720p, but some games are scaled to make it look like they're 1080p.

PS4 should have..

-Blu ray
-all games at native 1080p
-at least 45fps
-3 GBs or so of RAM
-latest DirectX (maybe DirectX12)
-a good cooling system to prevent overheating
-good graphics card and processor

And last but not least, good games!

I think their current system is fabulous. Yes, some have been known to YLOD... but its not as prevalent as the xbox 360's.

But, ps4 should have a couple features that seem impossible right now. They need 3d gaming for sure... and some other crap

[jcdavey]

When would you want it to come out? They wouldn't want to release it later than that, or they'll risk falling too far behind Nintendo, and possibly Microsoft. Release it too early, and they'll just start losing support and money with the PS3. 2014 is the perfect date.

not disputing that

i'm just saying given the patterns , 2012 was kinda expected IMO

2014 isn't that far off in itself

stupid question but is there a possibility that this hack job could move up the launch?