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  • #31
    Originally posted by jcdavey View Post
    given nintendo's track record with selling recently, i'd say there's a great chance they sell the holy hell out of their next console
    I think that either by luck or genius, Nintendo has gotten their release cycle in a good position.

    When they released the Wii, I was afraid they had badly miscalculated in how low-tech the Wii was under the hood (I mean raw computing power, HD, that kind of thing). And really they did. I think they dodged a bullet by once again innovating how games are played and the low price point was needed at that time (people couldn't yet envision how many things a set top box could do like movies and blu ray).

    Now, the next Nintendo is obviously needed. And it will be coming at the perfect time to get ahead of PS4 on all the things that are going on.

    Doesn't mean it will be better, or beat PS4. Just that Wii allowed Nintendo about 5 or 6 years of relevance to get to this stage. And they seemed to have learned their lesson -- the next Nintendo will be a screamer under the hood, and will do everything.

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    • #32
      I disagree. Nintendo has made their bread and butter being the "every man" casual gaming console.

      They've defined a niche market and they rode it like they stole it.

      They'll likely target that same audience again, and employ the same technique that resulted in resounding success last time.

      There's a need for "economically sound" gaming systems that are just plain lighthearted and fun. Nintendo nailed it last time. They'll probably do so again.

      They don't have to compete with Sony or MicroSoft. People see the Wii as a totally different type of machine and they use it for different purposes. There's a market there and it paid off big for Nintendo last time.

      I'd be shocked if they didn't target that same group with the same tactic again. It's a good group, and it's a good tactic.

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      • #33
        I agree with what Alastor says. They made out like kings with how this generation went, there's no need to change it. I'll also disagree with the notion that they "innovated" or changed how games are played. Motion controls IMO are not the way of the future, they're just a fun side thing that strongly appeal to younger kids and casual adults. The majority of gamers do not consider the Wii their primary console.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Amari24 View Post
          Especially if the next gen consoles get a service like Steam where we can directly download games and content straight to our HDD.

          Microsoft and Sony should agree to a service that allows us to download the games on our consoles, and they both get an even percentage of the sales, as well as the company providing the service. I don't mind going out to stores and buying hard copies of the game, but it'd good to have the option of both.


          Also I hope the downloads are fast. Games will be getting bigger in size, which will make them slower to download.
          Well there are a ton of downloadable games on 360. Not sure about PS3 since I don't have one, but Xbox Live's games on Demand have a lot of good games on there. I bought and downloaded Operation Flashpoint the other day for $20.

          Also, the idea that we've hit a "graphical ceiling" isn't even close to true. Sure we can probably build a static environment with a computer that's really, really close to true life, but if you throw in a 100% dynamic lighting system is will bring the beastliest of beastliest computers to a .0005 FPS crawl. The extent of our dynamic lighting systems right now involve shadows moving around and light being projected off something like a rocket flying through an area will project the light from the flames onto a wall.

          In the Witcher 2 they made a huge deal of the idea that their lighting system can handle light shining into a sphere of green glass and then accurately project the green tinted reflection throughout the room. We have a very long way to go.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Hoserman117 View Post
            I agree with what Alastor says. They made out like kings with how this generation went, there's no need to change it. I'll also disagree with the notion that they "innovated" or changed how games are played. Motion controls IMO are not the way of the future, they're just a fun side thing that strongly appeal to younger kids and casual adults. The majority of gamers do not consider the Wii their primary console.
            Nintendo has always been about gimmicks. Gimmicks don't necessarily mean "innovation". I don't even like Motion controls, which is why I don't like the Wii at all. Apparently the Wii 2 will appeal to Hardcore gamers and Casual gamers, at least according to Nintendo. We'll see, but I'm sticking with Sony and Microsoft. A rehashed updated Mario and Zelda game doesn't warrant a new system at all.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by JaysusCutler View Post
              God knows how expensive this one will be. Hopefully they'll continue to produce PS3 games throughout my four years at college. 2012 - 2016. Because there's no way I'll be buying a whole new console until I make some money.
              It's not going to be that much...

              Sony learned their lesson with the PS3, they won't price the PS4 over $400. If it's 400 bucks I'll be getting one regardless, but I can see them pricing it at that, and cutting it to $350 several months later, and eventually $300.

              They know what they're doing this time around.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Amari24 View Post
                Nintendo has always been about gimmicks. Gimmicks don't necessarily mean "innovation". I don't even like Motion controls, which is why I don't like the Wii at all. Apparently the Wii 2 will appeal to Hardcore gamers and Casual gamers, at least according to Nintendo. We'll see, but I'm sticking with Sony and Microsoft. A rehashed updated Mario and Zelda game doesn't warrant a new system at all.
                Well all the rumors going around is that the next console will be using that touchpad controller, and that just sounds like another gimmick to me. Unless they've made some massive developments in touch pad screens they're still nowhere near as accurate and reliable as a typical analog control stick unless they expect you to use something similar to the DS stylus, which just doesn't make any sense to me.

                Also like you said, Nintendo needs to come out with some really good new IP's. Five different Mario games, two Zelda games, and a Kirby game every new generation isn't going to cut it for hardcore gamers.

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                • #38
                  The controller is what turns me off..

                  I heard it will be HUGE, like around twice the size of the 360 controller.

                  That's a concept art, but all rumors say that it will be just like that or similar, and will be a big controller. Not something you'd want to market towards kids since they have small hands.

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                  • #39
                    I wasn't intending to speculate about Nintendo. I thought it was a given they were going more in the direction of PS3 and XBox 360. The trade rumors have been coming out for months -- they're going after hardcore gamers. The next machine will be quite a load under the hood. They're saying the controllers will include a touchscreen tablet that streams video game content from the console, so that each game will have the action on the mainscreen, and an individual small screen for the player.

                    It seems like the time is about right for a touchscreen, and console-cyle wise, Nintendo is in a position to do it.

                    (Which they wouldn't be if they hadn't gone so weak under the hood in the last one -- it's been only 5 years and it seems too undermatched).

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                    • #40
                      I do think it makes sense for Nintendo to position itself as the one for young people, women, non-traditional gamers, etc. I just think they shouldn't sacrifice performance and features. It's actually quite laughable that they're this far behind on getting an HD console out there.

                      And I think XBox 360 and Nintendo will both want Blu ray. People like the idea of that feature.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Jay3 View Post
                        I do think it makes sense for Nintendo to position itself as the one for young people, women, non-traditional gamers, etc. I just think they shouldn't sacrifice performance and features. It's actually quite laughable that they're this far behind on getting an HD console out there.

                        And I think XBox 360 and Nintendo will both want Blu ray. People like the idea of that feature.
                        The Wii 2 will look primitive compared to the PS4 and 720. Actually, I'm not sure if it will look THAT much better than the PS3 and 360. The fact that Nintendo had to report that it's more powerful than the current gen systems (which should be obvious) leads me to believe that they'll be left behind once again. It's already beyond obvious that the PS4 and 720 will look vastly better than their predecessors, but with Nintendo, they just never earned that reputation, and they'll be left behind once again.

                        As for Blu Ray, I think it's possible for both systems.

                        The 720 could actually use triple layer DVD. It holds as much space as Blu Ray, and it'd be the first console to use it. They could still use Blu Ray though, but if they wanted to be different, Triple layer DVD is still sitting there. Or possibly Quad-layer DVD could be an option.
                        Last edited by Amari24; 05-27-2011, 01:51 PM.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Jay3 View Post
                          I wasn't intending to speculate about Nintendo. I thought it was a given they were going more in the direction of PS3 and XBox 360. The trade rumors have been coming out for months -- they're going after hardcore gamers. The next machine will be quite a load under the hood. They're saying the controllers will include a touchscreen tablet that streams video game content from the console, so that each game will have the action on the mainscreen, and an individual small screen for the player.

                          It seems like the time is about right for a touchscreen, and console-cyle wise, Nintendo is in a position to do it.

                          (Which they wouldn't be if they hadn't gone so weak under the hood in the last one -- it's been only 5 years and it seems too undermatched).
                          We'll see. I don't think Nintendo has gained enough respect or support from hardcore gamers to release a console for them. It'd be like trying to please a grown man by giving him a barbie doll. Last time Nintendo tried to appeal to hardcore gamers, they got slapped around by Sony and Microsoft.

                          Unless, Nintendo plans on releasing games like a GTA, CoD, Mass Effect, etc. I think they're just wasting their time.
                          Last edited by Amari24; 05-27-2011, 01:53 PM.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Amari24 View Post
                            The Wii 2 will look primitive compared to the PS4 and 720.
                            I don't think they're using the Wii brand name again, but I'm not sure.

                            Maybe it will look primitive compared to those (sounds a little strong), but my point was they lucked out and the cycle is in their favor. They're saying 2012 for the new Nintendo. It will beat the PS4 to market for sure.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Amari24 View Post
                              We'll see. I don't think Nintendo has gained enough respect or support from hardcore gamers to release a console for them.
                              Well, I guess that depends on how hardcore gamers make their decisions. Presumably, they will appreciate things like price, performance, and good games.

                              Last time Nintendo tried to appeal to hardcore gamers, they got slapped around by Sony and Microsoft.
                              Which console was this?


                              Unless, Nintendo plans on releasing games like a GTA, CoD, Mass Effect, etc. I think they're just wasting their time.
                              I don't know if it will be those games, or what. Seems like a console could do that. Most of the best games are available on both PS3 and XBox. If the developer support and hardware were there, it would be on all three.

                              We'll know more after E3 in June. That's what most of the chirping is relating to.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Hoserman117 View Post
                                . I'll also disagree with the notion that they "innovated" or changed how games are played.
                                By the way, I must take issue with this. Nintendo has constantly innovated the way games are played. Think about it

                                1. NES, give it props.
                                2. N64 was the first analog thumbstick. It was questioned and even ridiculed at first. Until all games adopted it.
                                3. Gameboy itself, give it props.
                                4. Nintendo DS, with the touchscreen. At the time, people said there was no need for that second screen of touchscreen. But Nintendo properly saw a whole wealth of opportunities the touchscreen opened up.
                                5. Motion controls -- well, you already said you don't motion controls. But as the Xonnect shows, there are still technological possibilities. Many iPhone games use motion and tilting. I think we'll continue to see motion integrated as some part of the experience in games. Not needed for the FPS adventures, but that's only one kind of game.

                                So yeah, I think they've helped move the ball down the field for games as a whole. I appreciate them doing it. It makes me excited for what they might try to come up with , hit or miss.

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