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  • Here's some bluesy rock or stoner metal or sludge or whatever stupid name you want to give it.

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    • Originally posted by ELWAY421 View Post
      I went to the Extreme Steel Tour and the Slayer fans were outnumbered by the massive Pantera army! And, Pantera blew them right off the stage! Pantera was just one of those bands that could do that. They toured on their own merit! Usually around 10,000 strong for every show too....
      Slayer fans can definitely on the snooty side, but there are NO metal elitists like die hard Pantera fans. I know Pantera fans who have bashed Slayer, Metallica, and Sepultura while literally listening to metal core bands. lol.

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      • Originally posted by Spice 1 View Post
        Slayer fans can definitely on the snooty side, but there are NO metal elitists like die hard Pantera fans. I know Pantera fans who have bashed Slayer, Metallica, and Sepultura while literally listening to metal core bands. lol.
        Speaking of Metallica the the 30 year Anniversary of Justice has arrived along with a re-release of a remastered version obviously. Wonder if we'll be able to hear the bass? Lol

        I'm about to post the video of the year, and I totally expect it to win a VMA lol.

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        • One flew over Anselmo's nest.

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          • Also you may find this sad but I literally don't know what metal core is lol. I don't.... I know some of the genre's like death metal, and a few others but I had to Google what's metalcore? Lol, it showed bands like Killswitch Engage and bands like that. I literally only know one Killswitch song and that's the holy diver remake .

            I get so frustrated with these genre's lol.

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            • Originally posted by ELWAY421 View Post
              I post mad season in this thread, man. They're definitely not metal. It's whatever, we've had a conversation like this in the past that last pages long and didn't change either of our minds. Van Halen is hard rock, and Sepultura is metal, and that's what I know. Aic is hard rock, and Crowbar is metal. That's just the way I look at it. Changing my mind on that is just a waste of time so if I was you I wouldn't waste the keystrokes . I'll tell what you can do, post some music in this thread once in awhile instead of calling me on genres .

              I'll cp you back tomorrow when I re-up.
              <AHEM!> I have posted a lot of music -if you paid attention! I think I posted nearly every track off Metallica's last album for instance.

              I remember that debate -which I won- my final, simple point there nailed that coffin shut!

              If you don't want a debate, then perhaps you should reconsider wasting keystrokes on classifying everything you post, declaring what it is or isn't. You said you didn't like pigeon holing, yet that's what you're doing isn't it? And it's provocative when these ideas fly in the face of mainstream, consensus views about these bands: Zeppelin is widely considered a founding father of heavy metal -that's a FACT. Alice in Chains is widely considered grunge or alternative metal -that's a FACT too. I agree with the consensus and their reasoning. Now of course, I'm not saying you shouldn't have your own rebellious opinions, I'm saying let's restore perspective here -this is about entertainment not P&R! And being debated or challenged on your notions should be okay in a discussion forum where that happens constantly! "Von is #1!" "No Mack is!" etc. In your own Marvel vs DC thread you make provocative comments and try to start battles there -all in the spirit of good fun as you said recently. That's what this is too! And you've debated me in the Vikings thread too, IIRC, and did a good job of it.

              Text doesn't have much tone so here's a scenario to help:

              We're hanging out in your garage drinking beers and listening to tunes. You put on a record and then point emphatically "Now that's NOT metal!" Me, I'm sitting on the ratty old couch (which your wife exiled out of the house a long time ago but you refuse to throw away) saying "Naww man, it IS metal because of X Y Z" in a casual, friendly tone. So please don't read my words and react like it's a knock at your door followed by "I'm with the IRS here to audit your taxes."

              Superbowl 50 MVP Von Miller on February 7th, 2016

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              • Originally posted by baphamet View Post
                i went to that show at a different venue, the slayer fans booed and chanted "slayer" during the entire alice in chains set. still my all time favorite show i ever went to.
                I noticed opening acts used to get a lot of flak at metal concerts, and the harder the bands the more violent and nasty the crowd is!

                Testament and Suicidal Tendencies opened for them on the European leg of the tour and I'm sure they got pelted too.

                Superbowl 50 MVP Von Miller on February 7th, 2016

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                • Originally posted by ELWAY421 View Post
                  Speaking of Metallica the the 30 year Anniversary of Justice has arrived along with a re-release of a remastered version obviously. Wonder if we'll be able to hear the bass? Lol
                  Stupidly, they didn't restore the bass so I'm skipping it!


                  Originally posted by ELWAY421 View Post
                  Also you may find this sad but I literally don't know what metal core is lol. I don't.... I know some of the genre's like death metal, and a few others but I had to Google what's metalcore? Lol, it showed bands like Killswitch Engage and bands like that. I literally only know one Killswitch song and that's the holy diver remake .

                  I get so frustrated with these genre's lol.
                  I agree with some genres but it's out of control! I read through this last night and LMAO:

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_genres

                  "Pirate metal"? "Pornogrind"? "Space Metal"?

                  Superbowl 50 MVP Von Miller on February 7th, 2016

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                  • Originally posted by L.M. View Post
                    <AHEM!> I have posted a lot of music -if you paid attention! I think I posted nearly every track off Metallica's last album for instance.

                    I remember that debate -which I won- my final, simple point there nailed that coffin shut!

                    If you don't want a debate, then perhaps you should reconsider wasting keystrokes on classifying everything you post, declaring what it is or isn't. You said you didn't like pigeon holing, yet that's what you're doing isn't it? And it's provocative when these ideas fly in the face of mainstream, consensus views about these bands: Zeppelin is widely considered a founding father of heavy metal -that's a FACT. Alice in Chains is widely considered grunge or alternative metal -that's a FACT too. I agree with the consensus and their reasoning. Now of course, I'm not saying you shouldn't have your own rebellious opinions, I'm saying let's restore perspective here -this is about entertainment not P&R! And being debated or challenged on your notions should be okay in a discussion forum where that happens constantly! "Von is #1!" "No Mack is!" etc. In your own Marvel vs DC thread you make provocative comments and try to start battles there -all in the spirit of good fun as you said recently. That's what this is too! And you've debated me in the Vikings thread too, IIRC, and did a good job of it.

                    Text doesn't have much tone so here's a scenario to help:

                    We're hanging out in your garage drinking beers and listening to tunes. You put on a record and then point emphatically "Now that's NOT metal!" Me, I'm sitting on the ratty old couch (which your wife exiled out of the house a long time ago but you refuse to throw away) saying "Naww man, it IS metal because of X Y Z" in a casual, friendly tone. So please don't read my words and react like it's a knock at your door followed by "I'm with the IRS here to audit your taxes."
                    I'll say this and leave it be. You won no debate because I have millions of metal fans who agree with my same views. Most hardcore metal fans would not consider aic a metal band!

                    A ton of metal fans wouldn't consider Led Zeppelin a metal band. Sure they started some elements of the metal genre but did they stay metal throughout the course of their careers? That'd be no! Does Zeppelin have some heavy songs? Sure but they have many more of over the hills than the do heavy songs! Black Sabbath on the other hand stayed metal throughout.

                    I'm not a pick and choose, fence riding, fair weather Johnson, choose to like some metal from a far like some people. I've been metal to the core since a young age. I won't listen to people who don't live it and breathe it tell me what it is!


                    I'm very well aware of what metal is! I go to the shows! I buy the CD's before that the cassettes, and before that vinyl! I wear the freaking metal shirts! I dress the part! I listen to music everyday and most of the time it's metal....

                    "Metal is huge yet some people don't know it exists". ~ Rob Zombie


                    If this isn't legible I do apologize for I am hard at work!
                    Last edited by ELWAY421; 09-12-2018, 10:37 AM.

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                    • Originally posted by ELWAY421 View Post
                      Also you may find this sad but I literally don't know what metal core is lol. I don't.... I know some of the genre's like death metal, and a few others but I had to Google what's metalcore? Lol, it showed bands like Killswitch Engage and bands like that. I literally only know one Killswitch song and that's the holy diver remake .

                      I get so frustrated with these genre's lol.
                      To me, it's basically bands that play it safe. I always think of it as "condensed". Good, catchy riffs, but not much beyond that. Each song has the same, very simple structure, but I do like more than a few bands that I would consider metal core. There are definitely examples that I listen to, but it's just not necessarily the type of music I'm going to go back to multiple times. There's nothing wrong with playing music like that if you're really good at it, though. I think one of the best examples of a band like that would be Hatebreed. Who doesn't like listening to Hatebreed every now and then? Killswitch to me, is on the fringe of that distinction. They have some similarities to typical bands like that, but they're different in a lot of ways.

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                      • Originally posted by Spice 1 View Post
                        To me, it's basically bands that play it safe. I always think of it as "condensed". Good, catchy riffs, but not much beyond that. Each song has the same, very simple structure, but I do like more than a few bands that I would consider metal core. There are definitely examples that I listen to, but it's just not necessarily the type of music I'm going to go back to multiple times. There's nothing wrong with playing music like that if you're really good at it, though. I think one of the best examples of a band like that would be Hatebreed. Who doesn't like listening to Hatebreed every now and then? Killswitch to me, is on the fringe of that distinction. They have some similarities to typical bands like that, but they're different in a lot of ways.
                        You would consider Hatebreed a metalcore band? I always heard people say they started out a hardcore band and headed the metal direction. I obviously like hatebreed a ton but I also love Sepultura and Megadeth.

                        The Slayer thing to me is complicated. I grew up on Slayer. Seasons In the Abyss was always jamming in my car. Nowadays I don't listen to them at all. First off they aren't Slayer without Jeff, and Dave to me. Second I don't think they write good music. It's funny you always hear KK dogging on Metallica for selling out and living off of what they did in the past but I remember Slayer changing up their sound in the 90's too, and they are most certainly living of the success of their past. They live off of gimmicks just like Manson! No freaking substance since the 90's.

                        Just my opinion. Don't get too mad! Baph
                        Last edited by ELWAY421; 09-12-2018, 10:54 AM.

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                        • Originally posted by ELWAY421 View Post
                          You would consider Hatebreed a metalcore band? I always heard people say they started out a hardcore band and headed the metal direction. I obviously like hatebreed a ton but I also love Sepultura and Megadeth.

                          The Slayer thing to me is complicated. I grew up on Slayer. Seasons In the Abyss was always jamming in my car. Nowadays I don't listen to them at all. First off they aren't Slayer without Jeff, and Dave to me. Second I don't think they write good music. It's funny you always hear KK dogging on Metallica for selling out and living off of what they did in the past but I remember Slayer changing up their sound in the 90's too, and they are most certainly living of the success of their past. They live off of gimmicks just like Manson! No freaking substance since the 90's.

                          Just my opinion. Don't get too mad! Baph
                          Well, the thing about Hatebreed, and I was just listening to Hatebreed yesterday, is they were one of the pioneers of that style of music. So really, they're one of the few original bands that are like that.

                          Yeah, Slayer changed along with just about everybody else in the early 90's. My personal love for Slayer is probably half songwriting and half the themes of their music. I've always been fascinated by psychology for whatever reason, and studied psychology for a couple years before I gave it up to do what I'm doing now. I do like their approach to songwriting a lot though. Some don't. It's a personal preference thing. And their stuff about war? They nail it down pretty good, because of how honest and unforgiving it is. Nobody wants to listen to sad, ho hum crap in theater. I know I didn't, anyway.

                          I agree about KK. He's a lot like Anselmo in the ego department.

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                          • Originally posted by Spice 1 View Post
                            Well, the thing about Hatebreed, and I was just listening to Hatebreed yesterday, is they were one of the pioneers of that style of music. So really, they're one of the few original bands that are like that.

                            Yeah, Slayer changed along with just about everybody else in the early 90's. My personal love for Slayer is probably half songwriting and half the themes of their music. I've always been fascinated by psychology for whatever reason, and studied psychology for a couple years before I gave it up to do what I'm doing now. I do like their approach to songwriting a lot though. Some don't. It's a personal preference thing. And their stuff about war? They nail it down pretty good, because of how honest and unforgiving it is. Nobody wants to listen to sad, ho hum crap in theater. I know I didn't, anyway.

                            I agree about KK. He's a lot like Anselmo in the ego department.
                            Tom was always my favorite band member in Slayer. Dave seemed the most down to earth dude though. I seen them at Ozzfest 99, and as I said the Extreme Steel tour with them Morbid Angel Static X and some other band with Pantera closing out the show. It was at the CSU convocation center. I was so mad at that show because the venue didn't sell beer

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                            • Originally posted by ELWAY421 View Post
                              You would consider Hatebreed a metalcore band? I always heard people say they started out a hardcore band and headed the metal direction. I obviously like hatebreed a ton but I also love Sepultura and Megadeth.

                              The Slayer thing to me is complicated. I grew up on Slayer. Seasons In the Abyss was always jamming in my car. Nowadays I don't listen to them at all. First off they aren't Slayer without Jeff, and Dave to me. Second I don't think they write good music. It's funny you always hear KK dogging on Metallica for selling out and living off of what they did in the past but I remember Slayer changing up their sound in the 90's too, and they are most certainly living of the success of their past. They live off of gimmicks just like Manson! No freaking substance since the 90's.

                              Just my opinion. Don't get too mad! Baph
                              why would i get mad?

                              i have have a few friends that hate slayer, to each their own, i'm just a fan of metal in general and like lots of different kinds of stuff.

                              i grew up on bands like slayer, though. same with anthrax and i'm not as big of a fan of them as i used to be but will always like them.
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                              • this is the slayer i grew up loving, the slayer in the 90's you guys talk about doesn't mean much to me.
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