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    I had been having a discussion about HDTV with Javalon, and I tried to PM, but it was too long.

    SIGH.


    I want to know what everyone's feelings about HDTV are. Is it too expensive? Do you care? Are you aware of the deadlines for conversion and how it may affect your viewing and purchasing, regardless of readiness to make such purchases? Do you feel that the government should force us to buy something that we don't want?

    Javalon (who I respect, BTW. This is not a flame), believes that HDTV will be great and everyone will waat it. But he is a movie aficianado. As your average TV viewer, I see no purpose to HDTV outside of movies (the aspect ratio will be the same as widescreen) and sports. Since that makes up very little of my overall yearly TV time, I see no reason to convert. Everyone chime in.

    My thoughts that were originally in a PM:


    Hi-def might have a little more interest now, but how many times have they moved back the drop dead date for all TV station to be simulcasting in HD? When I graduated from college in 1997, they said total conversion time was 10 years, tops. Congress passed a law mandating all television stations broadcast a digital signal by the year 2002, with 2006 being the dark date for analog. Hasn't happened yet, especially in medium and small markets. However, Congress later added the requirement that 85% of a station's viewers must have access to the digital signal (own a digital set or a digital tuner) before stations are to turn off their analog transmitters.

    The problem is that most stations that operate as NTSC channels 2-6 may face a staggering cost in trying to replicate their service when assigned a UHF-HDTV channel in accordance with planning factors as described in the FCC’s 6th NPRM1 .

    Without a revision of the planning factors, the authorized Average Effective Radiated Power (AERP) for these UHF-HDTV stations would reach 5,000 KW. For 5000 KW AERP, a transmitter’s peak power for omnidirectional service will be around 1 MW, almost four times that of the largest NTSC transmitter in the US! Whether it is possible to build a practical transmission plant that can safely and economically accommodate even half that AERP is an open question.

    Almost 90% of this extreme power will be used to provide HDTV service to a very small portion of the population in the outlying areas whose present reception of over-the-air NTSC service is correspondingly poor. In fact, merely one-tenth of this extreme power, 500 KW, will provide reliable HDTV service in all cases at least to the Effective Radio Horizon 2. By replacing the receive antenna in the planning factors with a "smart antenna," service equivalent to 5000 KW AERP can be attained given a practical and economic transmission facility. What’s more, a "smart antenna" will permit connection of multiple receivers without loss of coverage contour -- a feature not possible given the planning factors in the FCC’s 6th NPRM.

    Replicating NTSC service with HDTV is a laudable goal but for most stations it will be proven impractical for the following reasons:

    1) HDTV service to receivers with indoor antennas will be far more restricted than NTSC service is.

    2) The FCC/MSTV suggested service area replication assumes one receiver. At the fringe contour, loading a second receiver on the same downlead cable will typically reduce coverage by about 3 miles.

    3) Viewers will react more negatively to completely losing picture and sound a certain percentage of time than they do to similarly frequent fading effects in NTSC.

    4) For many VHF-NTSC stations moving to UHF-HDTV the implementation of replication will prove impractical and costly.

    Another problem faced with HDTV is exactly the same problem faced with color TV in 1954. There are approximately 600 million television sets in the world and approximately 70% of them are color TVs. An important and critical consideration is whether the new HDTV standard should be compatible with the existing color TV standards, supplant the existing standards, or be simultaneously broadcast with the existing standards (with the understanding that the existing standards would be faded out over time). Because the 15 percent of viewers who don't have HDTV in any area are going to be screwed if it's just gone. And then they will have to spend money that they may not want to spend, or even have, to get a new TV and/or antenna.

    And this doesn't even begin to mention the cable customers.

    I think the FCC is ramming something down our throats, and as an FCC license holder, who studied TV and radio, I think that they are stupid for doing it and have an unrealistic expectation of how this will work.

    I live in TV market number 2, and at best guess, the local chapter of the National Association of Broadcasters (whose newsletter I get) says that L.A and surrounding areas won't reach the 85% threshold until 2020, at current rates of growth. That's almost 25 years after I first heard of this absurd legislation.

    And that's in one of the most affluent TV viewer markets in the country.

    Everybody's gotta elevate from the norm...

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    Yes, we need to convert. The rest of the country needs to get with the friggin program. Most of Europe is already been converted for awhile now. We're in the stinking Dark ages over here. HDTV is as high above standard as color was to black and white. Many shows are being filmed in HD Widescreen right now. Angel, Firefly, The New Battlestar Galactica, Deadwood ect ect are/were being filmed Widescreen. Get with the friggin program people.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by The Dark Knight
      Yes, we need to convert. The rest of the country needs to get with the friggin program. Most of Europe is already been converted for awhile now. We're in the stinking Dark ages over here. HDTV is as high above standard as color was to black and white. Many shows are being filmed in HD Widescreen right now. Angel, Firefly, The New Battlestar Galactica, Deadwood ect ect are/were being filmed Widescreen. Get with the friggin program people.

      We are converting, but do you think its fair that Congress wants it done ASAP, even though the cost of the equipment is out of the reach of most viewers? Or do you think we would be better served by letting the market dictate when such a switch should happen?

      I mean, if Congress stuck to their guns, 12/31 of this year would have been the last day for analog, which means that approximately 70% of all viewers nationwide would have been without TV. TV is a luxury, yes, but a lot of people with health issue use it as their only way to get news and be connected with the world.

      Do you have an HDTV reciever or TV?

      Why is HD so important? Will it change lives? I just think we have more important things to worry about right now.

      Europe had an easier switch to HD because they use PAL, not NTSC.

      Everybody's gotta elevate from the norm...

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      • #4
        I got HDTV when I got my 61' TV, but I cant really tell that much of a difference besides watching sports.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by BVP
          I got HDTV when I got my 61' TV, but I cant really tell that much of a difference besides watching sports.

          61' TV? Jeez. And for no discernable difference?

          Everybody's gotta elevate from the norm...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jared
            61' TV? Jeez. And for no discernable difference?
            61". Well the size of the program is obviously bigger, but the quality of the program is not very much better. Except if it is Sports.
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            • #7
              HDTV W/ Direct TV (Sunday Ticket and all those good channels) > Everything else.

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              • #8
                I'm happy with what I have. It's a little 17" tv, but it works, and that's all that SHOULD matter.
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                • #9
                  I like my Tivo better. I'll sacrifice a little quallity for the conveniance of being able to watch anything I want when I want. When the HD-Tivo reciever drops to about $400-$500 (currently a grand), I'll buy one. But in the mean time I will be putting 75 hours of Broncos highlights and games on DVD.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BVP
                    I got HDTV when I got my 61' TV, but I cant really tell that much of a difference besides watching sports.

                    Well, perhaps you don't have it set up right.

                    HDTV ready doesn't mean that it's HDTV.


                    First you have to have a true HD source. (Many areas do not)

                    Second you have to have a way to convert this source like a separate component. (Most tv's do not have it built in, the ones that do are FAR more expensive)

                    Third you have to have a monitor capable of displaying HD images.

                    If you don't have ALL three of these things. Then you do NOT have HDTV.


                    Also, it's common that the material your watching was encoded in HD but the cable/satelite company has neglected to broadcast that signal. For example, I was watching HBO and it said in HD but I know that my particular cable plan doesn't have any HD channels turned on. (You have to get another plan for that)


                    Anyway, make sure that you really do have it. My Dad tought he had it for a whole year untill I told him otherwise.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jared
                      We are converting, but do you think its fair that Congress wants it done ASAP, even though the cost of the equipment is out of the reach of most viewers? Or do you think we would be better served by letting the market dictate when such a switch should happen?

                      I mean, if Congress stuck to their guns, 12/31 of this year would have been the last day for analog, which means that approximately 70% of all viewers nationwide would have been without TV. TV is a luxury, yes, but a lot of people with health issue use it as their only way to get news and be connected with the world.

                      Do you have an HDTV reciever or TV?

                      Why is HD so important? Will it change lives? I just think we have more important things to worry about right now.

                      Europe had an easier switch to HD because they use PAL, not NTSC.
                      Well, they have to push the issue otherwise some people will not convert for a long time causing many more problems. They've being trying to get these comapanies to convert for years and kept pushing the deadline back over and over again. I never heard that ananlog was going to be retired forever. I just heard that all major stations had to be converted to digital and that they still could broadcast their analog signal.

                      Yes, I do have HDTV.

                      We always have more important things to worry about. This isn't so much a battle against the consumer as it is against the TV stations. If the stations at least get the ability, the consumers will eventually fall in line over time as they naturally change their old equipment.

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                      • #12
                        HD is much better I left the 55" widescreen hdtv w/ the wife in pa.......when I get my new place I'm prolly gonna pick up an lcd tv........HD programming is the way to go.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BVP
                          I got HDTV when I got my 61' TV, but I cant really tell that much of a difference besides watching sports.
                          I immediately noticed cartoons are brighter and have more detail.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by The Dark Knight
                            Well, perhaps you don't have it set up right.

                            HDTV ready doesn't mean that it's HDTV.


                            First you have to have a true HD source. (Many areas do not)

                            Second you have to have a way to convert this source like a separate component. (Most tv's do not have it built in, the ones that do are FAR more expensive)

                            Third you have to have a monitor capable of displaying HD images.

                            If you don't have ALL three of these things. Then you do NOT have HDTV.


                            Also, it's common that the material your watching was encoded in HD but the cable/satelite company has neglected to broadcast that signal. For example, I was watching HBO and it said in HD but I know that my particular cable plan doesn't have any HD channels turned on. (You have to get another plan for that)


                            Anyway, make sure that you really do have it. My Dad tought he had it for a whole year untill I told him otherwise.
                            OH! But howcome it changes when sports come on?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The Dark Knight
                              Well, they have to push the issue otherwise some people will not convert for a long time causing many more problems. They've being trying to get these comapanies to convert for years and kept pushing the deadline back over and over again. I never heard that ananlog was going to be retired forever. I just heard that all major stations had to be converted to digital and that they still could broadcast their analog signal.

                              Yes, I do have HDTV.

                              We always have more important things to worry about. This isn't so much a battle against the consumer as it is against the TV stations. If the stations at least get the ability, the consumers will eventually fall in line over time as they naturally change their old equipment.
                              Yes, the plan is to stop broadcasting analog as soon as 85% of a local stations viewers are HD Ready. Those analog signals are then going to be re-auctioned to police units, cell phone companies, and other corporate entities.

                              And you brought up a good point. The FCC can't comple a cable network or provider to install or upgrade to HD as a standard broadcast level. Right now many cable companies offer things like HBO HD or EPSN HD as a premium channel, or packaged with their most expensive plan, which generally also includes digital cable. News flash: consumers are getting ripped. Digital cable is not required to generate an HDTV signal to your TV. HD can be sent over fiber optic or co-ax, since it is merely a resolution standard, not different form of data.

                              So what will happen is that it's going to be hodge podge of local channels and some cable providers who are 100% HD compliant, most likely in more urban and suburban areas, and some providers and stations that simply will nto be able to convert for a long time, most likely in areas with less population density. The consumer then has to choose among a confusing field. Because certain channels simply won't be available on analog anymore.

                              I just don't like the FCC mandating a switch for financial purposes, which will also result in the forcing of lower income consumers to purchase a technolgy that is out of their price range, or lose TV service entirely. There really hasn't been a huge consumer outcry for HD compliance.

                              Everybody's gotta elevate from the norm...

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