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    Anyone other than me wonder about this?

    In all the S.W movies, a light saber wound bleeds an is a cut, just like a sword wound.....EXCEPT: When Darth Vader and Obi Wan are fightin in 1......(or IV if u wanna get technical) Vader stabs kennoby, and he just disapears.......WHY?
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    Originally posted by MoFo_JoRo
    Anyone other than me wonder about this?

    In all the S.W movies, a light saber wound bleeds an is a cut, just like a sword wound.....EXCEPT: When Darth Vader and Obi Wan are fightin in 1......(or IV if u wanna get technical) Vader stabs kennoby, and he just disapears.......WHY?

    I've wondered about that one too. Yoda did the same thng. Just vanished. Yet the chosen one, Vader, did not. Hmmmm.........

    I wonder if the Emperor just vanished when he went down the shaft.

    & Mace Windu when he went flying out the window.

    & all the other Jedi when killed by the drones. Didnt see any of them just disappear.

    Should be in the nitpickers thread Mofo.

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    • #3
      I think it has something to do with Obi-wan coming back as a ghost later. I'm not sure, though.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by MoFo_JoRo
        Anyone other than me wonder about this?

        In all the S.W movies, a light saber wound bleeds an is a cut, just like a sword wound.....EXCEPT: When Darth Vader and Obi Wan are fightin in 1......(or IV if u wanna get technical) Vader stabs kennoby, and he just disapears.......WHY?
        Lucas tried to explain this inconsistency right at the end of Episode 3. Supposedly, Qui-Gon Jinn was off doing whatever dead Jedi do and learned how to manage the Force as it relates to death. He returned and taught Yoda how to merge with the Force (or something like that) immediately upon death. Then Yoda told Obi-wan, right at the end of Ep. 3, that Qui-Gon was going to teach him as well.

        But Qui-Gon himself didn't learn it until after he had been dead for a few years which explains why he didn't just disappear when he was killed.

        I personally think it was just a screw-up on Lucas's part that he tried to reconcile at the very end.

        As a side note, lightsabers aren't supposed to cause bloody wounds because they cauterize the wounds as they create them. Again, just another little flaw in the physics of some of the movies.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Javalon

          As a side note, lightsabers aren't supposed to cause bloody wounds because they cauterize the wounds as they create them. Again, just another little flaw in the physics of some of the movies.
          Yea.......I saw three.....and it made sense till I rememebred, Jinn didn't dissapear.

          Also about the bloody thing: In IV when Kennobi cuts off that things arm, it bleeds.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Javalon
            Lucas tried to explain this inconsistency right at the end of EP. 3

            I personally think it was just a screw-up on Lucas's part that he tried to reconcile at the very end.
            I feel the same but I think it was a pretty good cover up his part though!

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            • #7
              Me and my friends were talking about this, and came up with the same conclusion that Qui Jon taught Obi Won Konobi.
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              • #8
                i may sound like a nerd here but...

                a lightsaber is plasma. it has a crystal in the shaft that creates a magnetic field around the plasma keeping it in a confined space. it's not like a sword because it burns you, like it has already been said it seals the wound.

                the thing about the blood:
                i think he did that because when the first movies came out, not many people had read the books and it would'nt make sense to the people watching, as they became more popular more and more people started reading the books and he had to correct the "mistake". i dont know about the dissapearing thing, but i bet it is in the books somewhere.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by CR18
                  i may sound like a nerd here but...

                  a lightsaber is plasma. it has a crystal in the shaft that creates a magnetic field around the plasma keeping it in a confined space. it's not like a sword because it burns you, like it has already been said it seals the wound.

                  the thing about the blood:
                  i think he did that because when the first movies came out, not many people had read the books and it would'nt make sense to the people watching, as they became more popular more and more people started reading the books and he had to correct the "mistake". i dont know about the dissapearing thing, but i bet it is in the books somewhere.
                  Wow, a plasma TV huh, Ive never thought about it like that but it does make alot of sense, now for all those scratching their heads, (including me) where did you come up with this?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by PrimeTime
                    Wow, a plasma TV huh, Ive never thought about it like that but it does make alot of sense, now for all those scratching their heads, (including me) where did you come up with this?
                    Check out the following article:
                    Lightsaber: Fact/Fiction?

                    According to astrophysicist Yakov Borisovich Zel'dovich, a rapidly spinning conductor will cause the creation of virtual particle radiation at its surface. Particle production is controlled by the charge, angular velocity (of rotation) and radius of this charged conductor.

                    If we imagine a rod shaped charged field of atomic-scale cross-section, which is superconducting and rotating at near-lightspeed, then charge regulation becomes the control for the particle emission type and quantity. Such charged fields would tend to repel one-another (if they are of like polarity), which means the blades would BLOCK one another. NOTE: a sabre would have to be built carefully and tuned correctly! A badly adjusted sabre would subject its user (and everyone in range) with considerable amounts of gamma radiation!.

                    The glow of the sabre blade consists of virtual-photons energised by the rotating field into real photons ... virtual light make real! The opaque 'thumb-thick' blade shape may be a swirl of ionised atmospheric particles (the AIR) drawn in and swirling about the core. When you IONISE a gas, you actually have a PLASMA (as it is meant by terrestrial physics) ... and this would glow JUST LIKE A FLUORESCENT TUBE (which is ALSO a plasma!) ... BUT this thumb-thick plasma zone is merely a by-product ... the REAL cutting is performed by minuscule core of the true blade ... leaving almost microscopically thin cuts. (The blade would STILL glow fiercely in even in a vacuum, as it throws off 'virtual photons - made real' ... but the thumb-thick core may not be visible.)

                    Such a tight rapidly spinning charged superconducting field would rend (tear) through most matter by stripping off electrons which bind atoms together. The ionized matter about the 'cut', as well as field-excited atomic movement in the localized area of the 'cut', would mimic great point-of-contact heat. A wound to a soft-tissue organic being would appear to be a microscopically thin BURN - and such a wound would usually tend to be cauterized (depending on how slowly the blade passed through - a large blood vessel cut too quickly may not be sufficiently 'burned' to cauterize). Dense metals which have loosely bound electrons (which are free to wander about their lattice structure) would be more resistant to cutting. The 'atom stripping' effect would take a little longer to cut through, because such materials have more electrons 'to spare' before their lattice structure becomes 'torn'.

                    Metals are also more highly conductive, and the localized 'heat' effects are minimized because the heat is carried away and dispersed through the material more quickly. This means that even though with varying amounts of effort, a lightsabre could cut through virtually anything, some materials would offer more resistance to a sabre blade, and therefore we can now understand how Lord Vader's armour was able to ward off most of Luke's glancing blow, saving his life. Mr Albert Forge has gone further, and has postulated a mechanism for the generation of the spinning field which creates the blade described above. Imagine a tiny sphere of unknown composition (perhaps some of the 'hypermatter' referred to in the SWICS & SWVD books by LFL's Dr Reynolds). Rapidly spin this into a disk by the effect of inducing fields (probably EM). The disk deformed and elongated into a tube, or rod (imagine the sleeve of a shirt being turned inside out) by an axially mounted and powerful electron gun (like the tube of your TV).

                    Field extension/retraction would be controlled by altering the output of the electron gun (which incidentally also controlled the charge of the conducting field ... the spin rate is determined by the inducing EM fields that created the disk from the sphere in the first place). 'Focussing' in this case may then be the very-rapid application of 'tuning' precession forces upon the extended field in order to 'follow' the orientation of the hilt, as left to itself it would tend to gyroscopically resist orientation changes. [NOTE: Mr Forge would like to say that all the above, which having its roots in 'real' physics, is speculative, and must be taken with "several solar masses of sodium chloride" *grin* ... IMHO however, it is a VASTLY more consistent and believable model than any other. It just 'could' possibly work! *AND* it matches ALL the observed and ascribed conditions!]

                    ADVANTAGES
                    it SPINS - matching my 'gyroscopic angular inertia' ideas (independently supported by the SWVD)
                    no 'plasma' or 'fuel' required other than raw power
                    the blade is PURE energy
                    the blade is opaque
                    there is a sensible 'focussing' (tuning) role for crystals which COULD see them able to adjust the colour!
                    the blades would block one another AND blaster bolts!
                    it hums it glows, even in a vacuum!
                    the cuts are microscopically thin it cuts by 'shearing away' the electrons in the substance, leaving a locally 'induced' heat-like reaction in other words: .. leaving burns & cauterized wounds! dense metallic surfaces with many stray electrons in their matrix would provide higher resistance to the 'electron stripping' cutting action ... thus Vader's armour stops the glancing blow from killing him!

                    Mr Forge has built upon the 'sabre/blaster relationship' idea (presented in Model Three above) using his 'virtual-light' model ... A question from Mr Doran Skalak about gravitic effects prompted me to ask an astrophysicist (Curtis Saxton) questions about high-speed rotations and relativistic effects: the following comments are my own attempts to explain what he told me, and I may have made any number of scientific errors ... In Model#6 there is a 'virtual' object ROTATING at the core of the blade .. a forcefield of almost zero mass (I assume) which has a NON-MECAHNICAL induced spin applied at near lightspeed [c] to achieve the Zeldovich effect as described above.

                    Apparently, objects moving at near 'c' WILL undergo the mass-effects predicted by Eientstein even if they have near zero mass ... because the equations effect ENERGY, and mass is merely one form of energy. As a result, the spinning blade will NOT ONLY undergo gyrospcopic resistance to changes in angular orientation (being waved around), but will ALSO suffer SOME DEGREE (unknown) of relativistic gravitic effects. In effect, the blade may acquire some 'virtual mass' - FROM the relative standpoint of the user. Further, these effects will produce a form of 'event horizon' effect at the boundary (not incompatable with Zeldovich's 'virtual light' predictions I assume) which you would expect could account for the noise, the glow and the terrible destructive capabilities of the 'light' blade. Sabres and Blasters related?

                    Now comes the REAL speculation! It was postulated in Model Three (Field contained plasmoids) that the Sabre beam may be related to the Blaster Bolt - as though the sabre were a 'static' gunshot, or more correctly, that the blaster bolt is a 'mobile sabre blade'. This is a fascinating idea, but it has a serious drawback ... there are instances in the films where damage is done BEFORE the visible part of the bolt arrives. the 'contained' model CANNOT explain this... BUT the 'virtual light' model CAN. *IF* Blasters and sabres originate from the same principle technology, then blasters MAY be such 'spinning fields' which can exist for a time on their own, and can be projected along a vector (ie: fired!). Such a 'bolt' would indeed leave a TRAIL OF LIGHT in its wake! The 'damage' may well be done BEFORE the visible part of the bolt arrives! Since a blaster is like a sabre, and since sabres block one-another, a sabre can block a blaster bolt! BUT this would be VERY VERY difficult to do because the sabre blade is so thin, and the blaster bolt so very fast! A Turbolaser may be a rotating field of larger diameter. Perhaps such larger fields would retain their coherence for longer (after leaving the emitter) and thus have greater range. If the field integrity decays beyond a certain point, its rapid rotation may cause it to 'explode' beyond a certain distance from the emitter. This would explain the 'flak bursts' observed in the film when some shots miss their targets. The asteroid hit by the Star Destroyer in TESB would first be 'drilled into' by the bolt, then exploded (vaporized in fact!) from within when the bolt's rotation collapsed - it would essentially have had its constituent atoms ripped apart from the inside out!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MoFo_JoRo
                      Anyone other than me wonder about this?

                      In all the S.W movies, a light saber wound bleeds an is a cut, just like a sword wound.....EXCEPT: When Darth Vader and Obi Wan are fightin in 1......(or IV if u wanna get technical) Vader stabs kennoby, and he just disapears.......WHY?
                      Read the Episode III book .. it all makes sense.

                      The reason they dissapear is that they have learned how to be imortalized within the force. They become one with the Force. Obi Wan becomes one with the Force as does Yoda. It is touched slightly in the movie. When they mention how Qui-Gonn spoke to Yoda and that Yoda was going to teach Obi-Wan. That is why...
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                      • #12
                        You guys/gals ARE nerds.

                        I haven't even seen III yet.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MoFo_JoRo
                          Anyone other than me wonder about this?

                          In all the S.W movies, a light saber wound bleeds an is a cut, just like a sword wound.....EXCEPT: When Darth Vader and Obi Wan are fightin in 1......(or IV if u wanna get technical) Vader stabs kennoby, and he just disapears.......WHY?
                          Nice question.
                          Did you also notice that Obi-Wan let Vader killed him ?
                          I guess that when he died he made his spirit to be like one with the Force.... To find the explanation, I think you have to think about what is the Force... May be Obi-Wan knew so much about the Force to manage to make one with it... So his body disappeared while his spirit still survived...
                          Just another point : Yoda's body disappear too when he died (Episode VI )... And we don't see what happened to Anakin (when Darth Vader died), but he just come back like Obi-Wan....
                          I think the answer is the Force...
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Javalon
                            Lucas tried to explain this inconsistency right at the end of Episode 3. Supposedly, Qui-Gon Jinn was off doing whatever dead Jedi do and learned how to manage the Force as it relates to death. He returned and taught Yoda how to merge with the Force (or something like that) immediately upon death. Then Yoda told Obi-wan, right at the end of Ep. 3, that Qui-Gon was going to teach him as well.

                            But Qui-Gon himself didn't learn it until after he had been dead for a few years which explains why he didn't just disappear when he was killed.

                            I personally think it was just a screw-up on Lucas's part that he tried to reconcile at the very end.

                            As a side note, lightsabers aren't supposed to cause bloody wounds because they cauterize the wounds as they create them. Again, just another little flaw in the physics of some of the movies.
                            Good explanation... I just tried to explain it my best which was not easy in english for me...
                            Just talk slowly please... I'm French

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                            • #15
                              Hahahaha, I can't believe people actually sit around and breakdown what a light saber is made out of and how it works sorry for laughing at the people who takes this stuff seriously, but I could just imagine people getting into serious debates on the subject and it is funny stuff. Don't get me wrong, I love the movies, but some people go a little overboard.


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