Kingdom of Heaven

[Charlie Brown]

I am a historian and European and Middle Eastern History are my specialties.

Recently I saw the film, Kingdom of Heaven. A Ridley Scott film and from my professional opinion I feel the following -

The Film does not go along Hollywood's norm. This film is very accurate as to the early Latin Kingdoms of Israel. The Kingdom of Heaven spoken of in the film is a land where Muslims, Jews, and Christians live in peace.

This film, despite having been objected to by the Religous right and such of America, is very good and accurate. Yes, some events in the film did not happen. However the film portrays the Crusades from both points of view and in doing so presents a problem to groups that only see it one way. History is a subject that always changes with each passing generation. In the past, Christian society only learned of these events from their own. Which, of course is biased. Just as the Muslims themselves have had biased scholars. This film does a good job of telling a story, which is what History really is. Telling the story of mankind. The Crusades were a dark event in history. However the clash of both cultures helped advance Science and Mathematics and many other things. I will leave you with a quote from the film that went something like this:

" The Kingdom of Heaven is a dream, a dream that lives on in all our hearts and our minds "

[AZ Snake Fan]

--- Funny You Mentioned That ---

--- i was thinking about the same thing --- a while back we discussed the similarities of all the ancient calendars, and the Mayan one completes it's cycle on 12/21/12 --- about 7 years as JWinn pointed out --- with all these fires and earthquakes and tornados and hurricanes and wars and starvation and polution etc --- do ya think we might be headed for the 7 years of Tribulation??? i think we are in for quite a Revelation !!! --- the following is an outline --- if you think of some of this with a 21st century mind, it actually makes Star Wars a cartoon --- i'm not trying to change anyones minds --- by now one either has it or one doesn't --- we still have some time --- az

[AZ Snake Fan]

Main Events that will Occur Before the Tribulation

1. Restoration of the State of Israel

Jewish people return to the land of Israel and re-establish it as a state. This sign has already come to pass and it occurred on 5/14/48. The city of Jerusalem was regained by the Jewish people on 6/7/67.

2. Miscellaneous Signs

Jesus Himself tells us that the following signs will occur as we approach the end times.

a) Perilous times will come.

b) False Christs and false prophets will arise.

c) Wars and rumors of wars.

d) Nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom.

e) Famines, pestilences and earthquakes.

f) Lawlessness and immorality will abound.

g) Love of many will grow cold.

h) Christians will depart from the faith giving heed to doctrines of demons.

i) Men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, unholy, proud, boasters, blasphemers, unloving, disobedient to parents, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, traitors, headstrong, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of self and unthankful.

3. Rise of the Antichrist, False Prophet and a 10 Nation Confederacy From Which They Will Rule From. --- (EURO---?)

4. Rise of the City of Babylon

5. Israel is invaded. God Will Then Supernaturally Destroy This Invading Army.

Main Events That Will Occur During the 7 Year Tribulation


1. The Antichrist establishes a peace treaty and a covenant with Israel.
2. The Jewish Temple is rebuilt.
3. God's Counterbalances:
 The 2 Witnesses.
 144,000 Jewish Witnesses.
 Major outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
 Angel of the Everlasting Gospel allowed to preach the gospel.

4. The Antichrist Will Destroy the City of Babylon

5. A War in Heaven Breaks Out.

St. Michael the Archangel and his angels cast Satan out of the "second" heaven and onto the earth. The Devil becomes furious because he knows that his time is short.

6. The Abomination of Desolation

Three and half years into the Tribulation, the Antichrist will break his peace treaty with Israel, seat himself in their rebuilt temple and proclaim himself to be God.

7. The 7 Seal Judgments

These 7 judgments will probably occur during the first half of the Tribulation. They are as follows:
a) The Antichrist will be released and allowed to set out to conquer the earth.

b) The Antichrist will be allowed to take peace from the earth and cause people to kill one another.

c) The Antichrist will cause "slave labor conditions" - people will be working for "minimum pay" just to be able to buy enough food for a day.

d) The martyrs will cry out to God in heaven to avenge their deaths. God says to wait just a little while longer.

e) God causes a great earthquake to hit the earth, causing every mountain and every island to move out of its place. He also causes the sun to turn black and the moon to look like blood.

f) There is silence in heaven for a half an hour. An angel offers the prayers of God’s people to Him to avenge them.

8. The 7 Trumpet Judgments

These 7 judgments will occur during the middle to latter part of the Tribulation. They are as follows:
a) God rains down hail and fire upon the earth - burning up one third of the trees and all of the green grass.

b) God releases a meteor into the sea turning one third of the sea into blood, killing one-third of all living creatures in the sea and destroying one third of the ships that are on the sea.

c) God releases another meteor, hitting one third of the rivers and springs, causing contamination of the water and many men to die.

d) God strikes a third of the sun, a third of the moon and a third of the stars so that they give no light. This causes a third of the day not to shine.

e) The bottomless pit is allowed to open up releasing a huge swarm of locusts to attack all the people who do not have God’s seal on their foreheads. They are not allowed to kill these people, but to just torment them with their bite. These people will be seeking death and will not be able to find it.

f) 4 demonic angels are released from the Euphrates river to kill a third of mankind. These 4 demonic angels will lead an army of 200 million demonic spirits to carry out this slaughter.

g) Heaven is now beginning to rejoice because God is releasing His wrath upon the wicked on the earth and extracting His vengeance. God then releases more lightnings, another earthquake and more great hail upon the earth.
9. The 7 Bowl Judgments
These 7 judgments will occur during the latter part of the Tribulation. They are as follows:
a) God causes loathsome sores to fall upon those who have the mark of the beast.

b) God causes the entire sea waters to become blood - killing every living creature in the seas.

c) God causes all the rivers and springs to turn into blood.

d) God causes the heat from the sun to scorch men with great heat and fire.

e) God causes total darkness to fall upon the kingdom of the Antichrist.

f) The Euphrates river is allowed to dry up so as to prepare the way for the kings of the east to come to the battle of Armageddon. Then 3 demonic spirits are released from the mouths of the Antichrist and False Prophet and they go out to all the kings of the earth to bring them all to the battle of Armageddon.

g) God causes the greatest and most severe earthquake to hit the earth. The city of Babylon is "finished off" and swallowed up whole. This earthquake causes all the islands to "flee away" and all the mountains to be "no longer found." Then God rains down great hailstones weighing 135 pounds each. God then says "It is done."

10. The Battle of Armageddon

All the nations of the world come against Jerusalem. Half of the city will go into captivity, houses will be rifled and the women ravished. Then deliverance comes!

Main Events That Will Occur After the Tribulation

1. The Second Coming of Jesus
Immediately following the Tribulation and right in the middle of the battle of Armageddon, Jesus literally descends from heaven where every eye will be able to see Him. Jesus will land on the Mount of Olives and He will then destroy all the armies who have come against Jerusalem. Their flesh will dissolve while they stand on their feet, their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets and their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths. (-- sounds nuclear to me --)
Jesus then throws the Antichrist and False Prophet into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone. Jesus then throws Satan into the bottomless pit where he is kept chained up for a 1000 years. And all the rest of unsaved humanity is kept in Hades until the 1000 Millennium Kingdom is up.

2. The Millennium Kingdom

Jesus will rule this earth from the city of Jerusalem for 1000 years with all of the saints ruling the nations of the earth with Him. There will be no more wars ever again. Wild animals and beasts will be tame. People will live long lives - possibly up to a 1000 years. There shall be no more weeping or crying.
3. Satan is Let Loose One More Time
After the 1000 years are up in the Millennium Kingdom, Satan is let loose from the bottomless pit for a "little while" in order to go out and attempt to deceive the nations for one last time. God uses Satan to tempt and weed out the "bad apples." They will all converge on the city of Jerusalem to go to battle. Before any battle is fought, God will destroy this army with fire. Satan is then cast into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone where he will now join the Antichrist and False Prophet. They will now remain in this place forever and ever and we will never hear from the devil again.

4. The Great White Throne Judgment

All unsaved humanity is now pulled up from Hades (Hell) where they will now all stand before God for their final judgment. All those whose names are not found written in the Book of Life are thrown into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone where they will remain forever with Satan, the Antichrist and False Prophet.

5. The New Heaven and New Earth

Our earth and our atmospheric heaven are now done away with, and in its place we get a new heaven and a new earth. There will no longer be any seas. There will no longer be any night. There will no longer be any sun or moon because the glory of God will illuminate the earth. There will no longer be any more death in any way, shape or form. The curse of Adam and Eve will have finally been broken. There will be no more sorrow, pain, crying or weeping. All things will be made new.
God the Father will now come down from heaven Himself and dwell with man forever and ever in this new heaven and new earth. We will also get a new city of Jerusalem which will come down from heaven itself. It will be like a square and possibly 1500 miles wide. The foundations of the walls will be adorned with all kinds of precious stones. There will be 12 gates with an angel at each gate. The gates will be made of solid pearl and the streets will be solid gold.
There shall no longer be any temple as God and Jesus will be the temple Themselves. All the nations of the earth shall walk in their light and the gates into this city will never be closed.
Now with Satan, all of his demons and all the "bad and unsaved people" taken out, we will now live happily ever after with God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, all of His angels and all of our saved loved ones in the most perfect God environment imaginable with no more death, sorrow or pain ever again!
This is our final end. This is our ultimate destination. Keep your eyes on this final end as we start to approach and enter into these end time events. It will help get you through the fire.
Remember, God will win in the end and so will you, if you keep your faith in Jesus Christ through what may be some very difficult times ahead.

[RealBronco]

I personally thought that Kingdom of Heaven wasn't anywhere near as good as I thought it'd be. It definitely could have been shorter.

If you're going to put: "From the director of Gladiator" on your movie, you better live up to it!!! and Kingdom of Heaven did not.

[AZ Snake Fan]

--- The 1000 Year Millenium Kingdom ---

I am a historian and European and Middle Eastern History are my specialties.

Recently I saw the film, Kingdom of Heaven. The Kingdom of Heaven spoken of in the film is a land where Muslims, Jews, and Christians live in peace.

" The Kingdom of Heaven is a dream, a dream that lives on in all our hearts and our minds "

--- the following are a few Quotes from Sources relating to the "land where Muslims, Jews, and Christians live in peace." ---

"He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; the Lord shall hold them in derision. Then He shall speak to them in His wrath, and distress them in His deep displeasure: "Yet I have set My King on My holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: The Lord has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, today I have begotten You, then nations for Your inheritance, and the ends of the earth for Your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel." (Psalm 2:4-9)

"He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of David ... And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end." (Luke 1:32-33)

And in the days of these things the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever." (Daniel 2:44)

"I was watching in the night visions, and behold, One like the Son of Man, coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His Kingdom the one which shall not be destroyed." (Daniel 7:13-14)

"For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given: And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of His government and peace, there will be no end. Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom, to order it and establish it with judgment and justice from that time forward, ever forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this." (Isaiah 9:6-7)

Thus says the Lord: ‘I will return to Zion, and dwell in the midst of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be called the city of truth, the mountain of the Lord of Hosts, the holy mountain.' (Zechariah 8:3)

"Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion! For behold, I am coming and I will dwell in your midst," says the Lord.
"Many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and they shall become My people. And I will dwell in your midst. Then you will know that the Lord of hosts has sent Me to you. And the Lord will take possession of Judah as His inheritance in the holy land, and will again choose Jerusalem." (Zechariah 2:10-12)

"... And I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be My people. The nations also will know that I, the Lord, sanctify Israel, where My sanctuary is in their midst forevermore." (Ezekiel 37:26-27)

"The Spirit lifted me up and brought me into the inner court; and behold, the glory of the Lord filled the temple. Then I heard Him speaking to me from the temple, while a man stood beside me. And He said to me, ‘Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel forever. No more shall the house of Israel defile My Holy Name, they nor their kings, by their harlotry or with the carcasses of their kings on their high places." (Ezekiel 43:5-7)

' "The inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, "Let us continue to go and pray before the Lord, and seek the Lord of Hosts. I myself will go also." Yes, many peoples and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord of Hosts in Jerusalem, and to pray before the Lord.'
Thus says the Lord of hosts; ‘In those days ten men from every language of the nations shall grasp the sleeve of a Jewish man, saying, "Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you." ' (Zechariah 8:21-23).

"And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshipped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads, or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years." (Revelations 20:4-6)

"...and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom ... Then the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High ... His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey Him." (Daniel 7:22,27)

"Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you ..." (1Corinthians 6:2-3)

"Now it shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established at the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and peoples shall flow to it. Many nations shall come and say, "Come, and let us go to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, and we shall walk in His paths."
For out of Zion the law shall go forth, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He shall judge between many peoples, and rebuke strong nations far off; They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore. But everyone shall sit under his vine and under his fig tree. And no one shall make them afraid; for the mouth of the Lord of Hosts has spoken." (Micah 4:1-4)

"The Lord will be awesome to them, for He will reduce to nothing all the gods of this earth; people shall worship Him, each from his own place, indeed all the shores of the nations." (Zephaniah 2:11 )

"And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of Hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of Hosts, on them there will be no rain.
If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles." (Zechariah 14:16-18 )

"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; ... and the lion shall eat straw like the ox, the nursing child shall play by the cobra's hole, and the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper's den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea." (Isaiah 11:6-9)

"... The voice of the weeping shall no longer be heard in her, nor the voice of crying. No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days: For the child shall die one hundred years old, but the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed ... For as the days of a tree, so shall be the days of My people, and My elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. They shall not labor in vain, nor bring forth children for trouble." (Isaiah 65:19-23)

[Charlie Brown]

What is with you?

Posting about Armageddon on a movie review?

Armageddon has nothing to do with this movie! I used to think that you mistakingly posted in this one and meant to post in the " You only have 3 more years to live" thread. But now I know I was wrong in thinking that.

[AZ Snake Fan]

What is with you?

Posting about Armageddon on a movie review?

Armageddon has nothing to do with this movie! I used to think that you mistakingly posted in this one and meant to post in the " You only have 3 more years to live" thread. But now I know I was wrong in thinking that.

--- i wasn't posting about Armageddon --- i was referring to The 1000 Year Millenium Kingdom --- a time when all Nations will live in Peace ---

--- "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore." --- (Micah 4:1-4)

--- Sorry Dawgfan, i didn't mean to upset you --- Peace --- az