Downloading Music

[Spyder]

Because stealing is stealing. Its that simple. It does not matter if the thief is poor or rich, or if the victim is poor or rich. There is not a way to work around it. The point is, its all stealing. Remember that when some one (if ever) robs your house or mugs you.

Haha.

Do The Right Thing with Spike Lee

[Bronco_Armada]

Why is the fact that they're rich a poor excuse?

Because stealing is stealing. Its that simple. It does not matter if the thief is poor or rich, or if the victim is poor or rich. There is not a way to work around it. The point is, its all stealing. Remember that when some one (if ever) robs your house or mugs you.

[str8jacket]

Free and Legal are impossible

[NameUsedBefore]

Don't download music. Too much of the 'stealing' aura gets me, not to mention it is rather easy to get your computer destroyed by snooping around looking for free music.

[Broncos72690]

Kazaa and Bearshare screwed up my computer. I've had Ares for 2 years now and everything is going good so far.

[Skywalker]

Seems that all the songs on there are from Itunes.

Nope...you must be looking at something else


There are alot of different links...I mostly see links to FileDen...

[Peerless]

Go to www.projectplaylist.com and get songs there if you're worried. Just search for music and follow the link, and you'll be able to download it

Seems that all the songs on there are from Itunes.

[tpryce93]

Here's a great trent reznor (of NIN) interview about downloading, record labels, etc.

Australia's Herald Sun recently conducted an interview with NINE INCH NAILS mainman Trent Reznor. A few excerpts from the chat follow:

Herald Sun: It must be an odd time then to have a new album, "Year Zero", out?

Trent: It's a very odd time to be a musician on a major label, because there's so much resentment towards the record industry that it's hard to position yourself in a place with the fans where you don't look like a greedy *******. But at the same time, when our record came out I was disappointed at the number of people that actually bought it. If this had been 10 years ago I would think "Well, not that many people are into it. OK, that kinda sucks. Yeah I could point fingers but the blame would be with me, maybe I'm not relevant." But on this record, I know people have it and I know it's on everybody's iPods, but the climate is such that people don't buy it because it's easier to steal it.

Herald Sun: You're a bit of a computer geek. You must have been there, too?

Trent: Oh, I understand that — I steal music too, I'm not gonna say I don't. But it's tough not to resent people for doing it when you're the guy making the music that would like to reap a benefit from that. On the other hand, you got record labels that are doing everything they can to piss people off and rip them off. I created a little issue down here because the first thing I did when I got to Sydney is I walk into HMV, the week the record's out, and I see it on the rack with a bunch of other releases. And every release I see: $21.99, $22.99, $24.99. And ours doesn't have a sticker on it. I look close and "Oh, it's $34.99." So I walk over to see our live DVD "Beside You in Time", and I see that it's also priced six, seven, eight dollars more than every other disc on there. And I can't figure out why that would be.

Herald Sun: Did you have a word to anyone?

Trent: Well, in Brisbane I end up meeting and greeting some record label people, who are pleasant enough, and one of them is a sales guy, so I say "Why is this the case?" He goes "Because your packaging is a lot more expensive". I know how much the packaging costs — it costs me, not them, it costs me 83 cents more to have a CD with the colour-changing ink on it. I'm taking the hit on that, not them. So I said "Well, it doesn't cost $10 more." "Ah, well, you're right, it doesn't. Basically it's because we know you've got a core audience that's gonna buy whatever we put out, so we can charge more for that. It's the pop stuff we have to discount to get people to buy it. True fans will pay whatever." And I just said "That's the most insulting thing I've heard. I've garnered a core audience that you feel it's OK to rip off? F--- you." That's also why you don't see any label people here, 'cos I said "F--- you people. Stay out of my f---ing show. If you wanna come, pay the ticket like anyone else. F--- you guys." They're thieves. I don't blame people for stealing music if this is the kind of s--- that they pull off.

Herald Sun: Where does that extra $10 on your album go?

Trent: That money's not going into my pocket, I can promise you that. It's just these guys who have f---ed themselves out of a job essentially, that now take it out on ripping off the public. I've got a battle where I'm trying to put out quality material that matters and I've got fans that feel it's their right to steal it and I've got a company that's so bureaucratic and clumsy and ignorant and behind the times they don't know what to do, so they rip the people off.

Herald Sun: Given all that, do you have any idea how to approach the release of your next album?

Trent: I have one record left that I owe a major label, then I will never be seen in a situation like this again. If I could do what I want right now, I would put out my next album, you could download it from my site at as high a bit-rate as you want, pay $4 through PayPal. Come see the show and buy a T-shirt if you like it. I would put out a nicely packaged merchandise piece, if you want to own a physical thing. And it would come out the day that it's done in the studio, not this "Let's wait three months" bulls---.

Herald Sun: When your U.S. label, Interscope, discovered the web-based alternate reality game (ARG) you'd built around "Year Zero", were they happy for the free marketing or angry you hadn't let them in on it?

Trent: I chose to do this on my own, at great financial expense to myself, because I knew they wouldn't understand what it is, for one. And secondly, I didn't want it coming from a place of marketing, I wanted it coming from a place that was pure to the project. It's a way to present the story and the backdrop, something I would be excited to find as a fan. I knew the minute I talked to someone at the record label about it, they would be looking at it in terms of "How can we tie this in with a mobile provider?" That's what they do. If something lent itself to that, OK, I'm not opposed to the idea of not losing a lot of money (laughs). But it would only be if it made sense. I've had to position myself as the irrational, stubborn, crazy artist. At the end of the day, I'm not out to sabotage my career, but quality matters, and integrity matters. Jumping through any hoop or taking advantage of any desperate situation that comes up just to sell a product is harmful. It is.

Herald Sun: Is the "Year Zero" ARG something labels will copy now?

Trent: Well, their response, when they saw that it did catch on like wildfire, was "Look how smart we are the way we marketed this record". That's the feedback I've gotten -- other artists who've met with that label ask 'em about it: "Yeah, you like what we did for Trent? Look what we did for Trent." They've then gone on to try to buy the company that did it to apply it to all their other acts. So, glad I could help them out. I'm sure they still don't understand what it is that we did or why it worked. But I will look forward to the BLACK EYED PEAS ARG, that should be amazing.

[Skywalker]

I never understood how people can get caught downloading stuff. I think its wack.

But I dont know if we should discuss this on the forum because most places your not allowed to talk about free downloading and stuff and this site could get in trouble. I'm not sure though.

And heres a site that I go to sometimes and use for myspace:

https://www.projectplaylist.com

I dont think you can download music to your computer though but its pretty cool.

You can download stuff to your computer from Project Playlist. Just follow the link of the song...usually I have to follow it, then copy the link and paste it into the URL, and then I can download it

[Skywalker]

Man, I want to DL some songs from places such as limewire, but I'm not great with luck and I don't want to risk getting caught.

Go to www.projectplaylist.com and get songs there if you're worried. Just search for music and follow the link, and you'll be able to download it

[Spyder]

you would be surprised what some cops (or other legal officials) do.

And no they can not really check if I have purchased music legally or not. But there is always that "what if" situation.

plus if I have came eye to eye with one of my fav. bands I do not think I can really call my self a fan if I basically stole their music. That’s what it is really. I know I would me p.o. if fans basically stole or copied my product. Whether it was music, a movie, computer software, etc.
And the excuse they are already have a lot of money and are rich is a poor excuse. Stealing is stealing, whether it be from a poor man, or a rich man.

Why is the fact that they're rich a poor excuse? I live in one of the worst places in the United States for crime and poverty, you think I care what some rich bozo thinks of me stealing his/her music?

And it's not about the fact that it's stealing or "do the right thing" blah blah blah. It's the fact that they're losing a little bit of money each time someone jacks one of their songs from limewire or some other P2P program. That's what makes them cry.

I mean seriously.... call yourself a fan and go pay 11 or 12 dollars for one album, I'll keep doing what I'm doing. =]

[RunYouOver]

On the subject...

I recently heard of a site (I'm pretty sure it's through a big company, but not certain) that has a similar concept to iTunes, but sounds cheaper.


I meant to look it up when I found it, but I completely forgot.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Found my answer...amazing what google can do, isn't it.

Amazon.com is going to launch something similar to iTunes...should be cheaper.....

Don't know when it'll start. But that was what I was looking for.

[RunYouOver]

On the subject...

I recently heard of a site (I'm pretty sure it's through a big company, but not certain) that has a similar concept to iTunes, but sounds cheaper.


I meant to look it up when I found it, but I completely forgot.

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

[Bronco_Armada]

Yea, that's right, I mean instead of going after the murderers, rapists and drug dealers, they're after all these degenerate music downloaders.

you would be surprised what some cops (or other legal officials) do.

And no they can not really check if I have purchased music legally or not. But there is always that "what if" situation.

plus if I have came eye to eye with one of my fav. bands I do not think I can really call my self a fan if I basically stole their music. That’s what it is really. I know I would me p.o. if fans basically stole or copied my product. Whether it was music, a movie, computer software, etc.
And the excuse they are already have a lot of money and are rich is a poor excuse. Stealing is stealing, whether it be from a poor man, or a rich man.

[White Dragon]

I purchase all my songs legally. I don't want to end up as someone's wife.

I play pitcher, not catcher.

Yea, that's right, I mean instead of going after the murderers, rapists and drug dealers, they're after all these degenerate music downloaders.