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  • Wow, i had read about it but didnt see it till you posted. Why guys walk around in front of punchers with power with their hands down is one i wont be able to figure out...

    Love what lubin said after though
    "Yeah i got caught with one i didnt see coming, that happens in boxing. I will take it in stride"
    A ko like that can definitely end a career or have an impact. Tyson was never the same, hatton retired and even pac turned into a shell of his former self after jmm

    Id definitely like to see video of spence and charlo sparring!
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    • Originally posted by armedequation View Post
      Wow, i had read about it but didnt see it till you posted. Why guys walk around in front of punchers with power with their hands down is one i wont be able to figure out...

      Love what lubin said after though
      "Yeah i got caught with one i didnt see coming, that happens in boxing. I will take it in stride"
      A ko like that can definitely end a career or have an impact. Tyson was never the same, hatton retired and even pac turned into a shell of his former self after jmm

      Id definitely like to see video of spence and charlo sparring!
      I know I keep harping on the Southpaw/Orthodox lead foot thing, but that's what happened. It's harder for a Southpaw to slip outside an Orthodox jab. It leads them right into the right hand. It was perfect execution by Charlo. Lubin slipped inside, and probably expected the right hand to come from a different angle, but Charlo stepping around w/his lead foot changed that angle. That's why he said he didn't see it coming, because the two jabs distracted him from what Charlo was doing. That's why I love this sport.

      And I believe Jermall is the better of the two. Sometimes I don't know though. Jermell flashes greatness at times.

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      • Its time for wilder vs joshua. Stiverne didnt even look like he showed up.

        Patiently waiting rigo vs loma
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        • Originally posted by armedequation View Post
          Its time for wilder vs joshua. Stiverne didnt even look like he showed up.

          Patiently waiting rigo vs loma
          Did you see Stiverne's pre fight interview? Talk about a guy who didn't want to be there. It was a dumb fight anyway. The problem is that the drop off from the decent heavyweights (and there's like 5 or 6 of them) to the rest is massive. And the decent ones who have the potential to be really good, haven't really improved that much. Wilder still looks clumsy, especially his footwork, and Joshua will never get over his stamina issue. Joshua is pacing himself more now, but that doesn't really make him a better overall fighter necessarily. Just against certain opponents. Then Wilder keeps trying to fight quality HW's, but they all pop for PEDs. So yeah, let's get this show on the road. Last time I talked about it, I expected Wilder to keep Joshua occupied on the outside w/jabs until Joshua got tired, and them take him out with one of those right hands. What I'm thinking now though, is AJ will fight conservatively and force Wilder to come to him. Idt Wilder is content to just keep range and jab a guy around the ring, and he'll probably try to force AJ to fight if that happens. For AJ, I'd say punch with Wilder and catch him. Wilder throws a lot of looping punches, but you have to get inside of his jab and right hand. And that would be the point of getting Wilder to walk into him. So the question for me is, will Joshua land one of those shots, or will he get tired. Honestly though, Wilder has a crap ton of power. I saw him graze a guy with I think a right hook one time and knock him out. That's the biggest factor in this fight. I don't see any reason to think Joshua is going to take those punches better than the guys Wilder has been obliterating if he does get caught with one. I'm just saying, look at how Wilder fights, and tell me how a guy who looks like that has all those wins? He has stupid power.

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          • Lol honestly ive seen just enough of both to say that heavyweight needs this big fight. Been a big drop off since josh n klitsch
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            • equation, you watching this fight tonight?

              Just watched the first televised undercard...Stevenson kid came to get rid of this guy. He didn't even breathe. Just used him like a punching bag, sitting down and yelling every time he threw. So I didn't get much out of that. Stevenson's a combination puncher, and good body puncher. Likes to finish to the body. Good hand speed, and actually really good footwork/ring generalship. He just got off, and the other guy let him. Didn't try to close range.

              But, I'm gunna get silly and pick Rigondeaux tonight. Just have a felling about it. Loma is the smart bet, though. But yeah, going with Rigondeaux.

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              • Rigondeaux shutout. lol.

                Main difference was size, of course. Rigo couldn't fight his kind of fight with any success against this guy. Just not big enough, and Loma was very careful not to give him anything to counter. Kept the jab on him and stayed cautious. Loma fought a very methodical, safe fight, and Rigo just waited to counter. Loma jabbed his way in and tried to work inside when Rigo was on his back foot, and Rigo clinched. Pretty elementary. BLAHHHHHH.

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                • I recorded it as i had to pick up the wife from the airport.
                  Did i hear landed punches went 55-15? In that many rounds? Maybe i heard wrong.

                  It sounds like rigo tried to go salido tactics with less punching lol.

                  Speaking of salido,it sounds like his fight was a better one but that hes done.

                  Wilder ortiz looks promising.

                  Is it just me or did 2017 really fizzle out in the second half?
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                  • I havent been on bn24 in a while and of course the loma rigo article is written by chris williams who makes it sound like rigo completely dominated loma in the first 2 rounds amd then his arm fell off in the corner between rounds and he valiantly fight for 4 rounds with 1 arm. Lol smh hes a big reason why i read b.s. instead.
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                    • Originally posted by armedequation View Post
                      I havent been on bn24 in a while and of course the loma rigo article is written by chris williams who makes it sound like rigo completely dominated loma in the first 2 rounds amd then his arm fell off in the corner between rounds and he valiantly fight for 4 rounds with 1 arm. Lol smh hes a big reason why i read b.s. instead.
                      That wasn't the case. Loma put Rigo on the defensive with a constant barrage of light jabs and left hands. Rigo likes to lean back and look for openings, and he was doing exactly what Loma wanted him to from the start. Throw on top of that the size mismatch, and it was over, hand injury or not. Loma is really good at using his offense to create defense, and then he controls range and moves seamlessly. Even when Rigo tried to pivot, Loma was moving with him. My logic was that Loma would play around too much, because he's not a killer. Didn't matter, though. Rigo had no answer for what he was doing.

                      Loma said after the fight that it didn't mean much, because of the weight class difference. Loma is a smart dude, and he has no illusions about what is what in the ring. There is going to come a time in his career where he is going to be in with a bigger fighter, who can come close to matching his skill, and is not going to let him have his way. That's where he'll have to be a killer. That's part, not all, but part of the reason why Salido was allowed to successfully rough him up in a sloppy fight.

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                      • Saw some highlights and rigo definitely didnt look like a championship fighter on this night. 3 words: fifteen punches landed. And here i thought that was a typo...

                        Eta: i know your hurt but why hold that blatantly?
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                        • Originally posted by armedequation View Post
                          Saw some highlights and rigo definitely didnt look like a championship fighter on this night. 3 words: fifteen punches landed. And here i thought that was a typo...

                          Eta: i know your hurt but why hold that blatantly?
                          I think it was fight plan. Didn't want the bigger Loma inside. Nobody really wants Loma in there anyway. Also, Rigo isn't really worth a crap inside unless he can pivot and weave. Was a good idea, but Rigo couldn't even catch him with anything coming in, so it didn't matter.

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                          • Theres only 3 fights (really only 2 possible) for loma now. Garcia, lineres and berchelt. Berchelt wont be possible due to his hand but you have to get one of the other 2.

                            Cant put loma in with anyone other than elite unless you have said elite lined up after imo
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                            • Originally posted by armedequation View Post
                              Theres only 3 fights (really only 2 possible) for loma now. Garcia, lineres and berchelt. Berchelt wont be possible due to his hand but you have to get one of the other 2.

                              Cant put loma in with anyone other than elite unless you have said elite lined up after imo
                              Throw Berchelt in with Loma, and let Garcia and Linares get it on. When he moves up, he can deal with the likes of Gervonta Davis, Beltran, and Robert Easter. My opinion, is that the big fight at LW is Garcia, and it will play out that way. Best case scenario, though? No screwing around. Straight to Garcia, and then catchweight with Crawford before Crawford moves up. That's what would be best for the fans. I know it's crappy for the other guys getting stepped over, but Vasyl is not just another champion.

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                              • Supposedly loma wants to fight in late march or april. Will berch be ready by then? Him fighting garcia and then crawford would be epic but i dont see crawford staying down long...man o man that would be awesome
                                Last edited by armedequation; 12-11-2017, 03:45 PM.
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