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  • Originally posted by Southstander
    As far a Damon goes

    LOOKS LIKE JESUS
    ACTS LIKE JUDAS
    THROWS LIKE MARY
    As far as the red sox go.....
    3 lines to your slogan. 3rd place finish. Coincidence?? I think not.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/11232006...eorge_king.htm

    How's the Coco Crisp thing working out??


    Do red sox fans know what's going on with JD Drew?? I would still like to know.
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    • Originally posted by keithbishop
      As far as the red sox go.....
      3 lines to your slogan. 3rd place finish. Coincidence?? I think not.

      http://www.nypost.com/seven/11232006...eorge_king.htm

      How's the Coco Crisp thing working out??


      Do red sox fans know what's going on with JD Drew?? I would still like to know.

      i can tell you this much

      The Red Sox Suck

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      • Originally posted by orangenblue420
        i can tell you this much

        The Red Sox Suck

        Anyone could tell you that
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        • Yes we finished 3rd this year, but how did your first place finish work out for you last year or the past 6 years for that matter.

          And yes my Slogan does it have 3 lines, speaking of threes the last time the Yankees had 3 of anything they lost in 7
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          • Originally posted by Southstander
            Yes we finished 3rd this year, but how did your first place finish work out for you last year or the past 6 years for that matter.

            And yes my Slogan does it have 3 lines, speaking of threes the last time the Yankees had 3 of anything they lost in 7
            I have no complaints. I've watched the Yankees win 6 titles, including back-to-back and a 3-peat, in my tenure as a Yankee fan. You DO know what it feels like to watch your team win 6 titles, right ??

            3 of anything...... how about 5 of anything??
            Let me refresh your memory:
            The Yankees went into boston August 18th last season with a narrow 1.5 game lead.

            Game 1: Yankees 12 boston 4 Damon: 3-6 1 HR 1 3B 3 R 4 RBI
            Game 2: Yankees 14 boston 11 Damon : 3-6 1 HR 1 R 3 RBI
            Game 3: Yankees 13 boston 5 Damon : 3-6 3 2B 1 R
            Game 4: Yankees 8 boston 5 Damon : 1-5 1 R
            Game 5: Yankees 2 boston 1 Damon: Did not start


            Let's see: that's a 5-game sweep in boston..... and the division race was over. It was called the "boston Massacre 2". Damon went 10-23 (.435 BA) with 3 2B 1 3B and 2 HR. I hope it was as good for you as it was for me . Remember how Damon led off game 1 with a Triple?? It was beautiful.


            I guess no answer means you don't know the status of JD Drew's contract negotiations. Isn't it odd that no red sox players have a bad word to say about Damon??

            JD Drew on the other hand.....

            Once upon a time, way back in the 70's, there were 2 TV shows that were very popular among kids. Both involved mysteries being solved.....
            Boys : "The Hardy Boys"
            Girls : "Nancy Drew"

            Did Dodger players call JD "Nancy Drew" behind his back because:
            A. he was good at solving mysteries
            or
            B. they questioned his toughness??

            You got to watch Damon play through injuries..... no one has ever questioned his toughness..... how about Nancy?? Hell, maybe she'll make a great CF .

            I've NEVER bashed a former Yankees World Series hero..... feel free to bash one of your own. SOME sox fans appreciate what Damon did for the organization. Others.... let's just say I hope you were happy with the living legend Coco Crisp last season .
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            • Originally posted by keithbishop
              SOME sox fans appreciate what Damon did for the organization. Others.... let's just say I hope you were happy with the living legend Coco Crisp last season .
              I still like Johnny without him no 2004 W series

              Now to me Coco was putrid last year, plain and simple.

              The reason why the Sox originally offered JD "IR" Drew the overpayment of $$ is because they know they screwed up with Damon. boy Wonder is trying to make right a wrong.

              Also then if he did not believe in Willy Mo Pena, then why trade reliable Bronson Arroyo. Theo better hope Matsosaka (sp) is not the next Irabu and Brandon Donnelly is good (I think he is)

              but to give $4 mill ot Joel Pinnero is absurd as well.
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              • Yea yea blah blah blah we get it.

                You think Drew must be on steroids.


                But in this day in age, what baseball player do you think ISN'T?

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                • Originally posted by Medford Bronco
                  I still like Johnny without him no 2004 W series

                  Now to me Coco was putrid last year, plain and simple.

                  The reason why the Sox originally offered JD "IR" Drew the overpayment of $$ is because they know they screwed up with Damon. boy Wonder is trying to make right a wrong.

                  Also then if he did not believe in Willy Mo Pena, then why trade reliable Bronson Arroyo. Theo better hope Matsosaka (sp) is not the next Irabu and Brandon Donnelly is good (I think he is)

                  but to give $4 mill ot Joel Pinnero is absurd as well.
                  Coco did well last year, before he got hurt.

                  Even if he did believe in Pena, you don't trade one of your best starters, and Matsosaka isn't worth the 51 mil we paid just to talk to his team, let alone to sign him, IMHO.

                  When did we get Piniero??




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                  • Originally posted by LiquidBlue
                    Yea yea blah blah blah we get it.

                    You think Drew must be on steroids.


                    But in this day in age, what baseball player do you think ISN'T?
                    What??

                    I know damned well that Med wasn't accusing Drew of being on steroids. I have never accused ANY red sox player of being on steroids.

                    Are you claiming that all baseball players use steroids??
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                    • Article on revenue possibilities from foreign players

                      This article goes along with other things I had read when Matsuzaka was signed. The decision to bid for Matsuzaka was a baseball decision: the red sox viewed him as a strong addition to the rotation. I'm not criticizing the red sox.... I believe Matsuzaka will be a very good pitcher.

                      I was blasted for having the audacity to say the deal was an expensive one.... not a profitable one. Time to let go of thoughts like "They'll make back the $51.1 mil. posting fee in hat/jersey sales in Japan". The same rules apply for the Yankees signing Igawa. They WON'T make back the posting fee....it's an expensive deal.

                      Once again.... don't mis-read what I'm saying. If Matsuzaka pitches well, it will be a good deal for boston..... if he doesn't pitch well, it will be a bad deal. The same applies to Igawa. There were a lot of arguments concerning "We'll make most of that $$ back from advertising"..... Bull.

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                      Matsuzaka won't be cash cow Red Sox need

                      By Rob Bradford , Staff writer
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                      When it comes to the world of Daisuke Matsuzaka, all is not as it would appear, as Sam Kennedy and the Red Sox have come to discover all too well over the past few months.

                      For the club's senior vice president of sales and marketing, the change in perception began with his Red Sox goodwill tour in Tokyo with Mike Dee, Boston's chief operating officer, in November shortly after winning the negotiating rights for the highly touted pitching import.

                      "Mike Dee and I came back from a meeting to the hotel and there was a huge crowd of paparazzi," said Kennedy. "Mike and I knew they weren't there for us, but in the back of your mind you wonder if they are because we were with the Red Sox.

                      "So we get out of the car and nobody comes near us. Two minutes later, a big limo pulls up and Billy Joel gets out. It was too funny. I had my 10 seconds of fame getting to say hello to Billy Joel in Tokyo."

                      The Red Sox executives' blind-side brush with fame was quickly forgotten. However, the realities of trying to market Matsuzaka abroad have been a bit tougher to digest.

                      "The signing of this player is definitely not a huge financial windfall for us," Kennedy said. "There really aren't a lot of economic benefits."


                      The analysis flies in the face of public opinion regarding Matsuzaka's worth to the Red Sox. Many pointed to the potential of the international marketing avenues involving the pitcher as justification for Boston presenting a $51,111,111.11 posting fee to the Seibu Lions and subsequently signing Matsuzaka to a six-year, $52 million contract.

                      But, as Kennedy points out, the Red Sox have been presented with obstacles which make reaping the rewards of their new popularity abroad extremely difficult.

                      "I'm not intentionally downplaying the economic benefit, but this is what hasn't been clear to the public," he said. "The reality is that all sponsorships, advertising deals and conducting revenue-generated deals for the Red Sox are exclusively limited to Fenway Park. Again, there is not a big financial benefit associated with this guy."

                      The problem facing Boston is that outside of the advertising and sponsorship deals cut to generate revenue inside the Sox's home park and within the six New England states (except Yankees-controlled Fairfield County in Connecticut), Major League Baseball controls the Red Sox "mark."




                      For instance, Boston can claim whatever money earned from its deal with Poland Spring, designating the company as the official bottled water of the Red Sox, as long as it is done inside the team's designated viewership area. But any cash derived from Red Sox-trademarked items in Japan, or anywhere outside New England, goes straight to MLB.

                      Red Sox key chains. Red Sox hats. Red Sox shirts. Because of Matsuzaka, you might start seeing them all over Japan, but it is a potential windfall which Tampa Bay will be benefitting from just as much as Boston.

                      Even in Fenway Park, there is proving to be limited opportunities for taking advantage of Matsuzaka's popularity. Most of the prime locations for viewing advertisements during television broadcasts (such as behind home plate) have already been taken. And add in the fact that the ballclub is trying to market a pitcher - not everyday players such as Japan's Ichiro Suzuki and Hideki Matsui - and reaching the perceived $3 million to $5 million of income per season from Japan claimed by the Mariners and Yankees will be difficult for Boston.

                      Another roadblock for the Sox is even if major Japanese companies want to form a partnership with the club, it must be in a product area not already occupied by one of the Red Sox's exclusive advertisers. Asahi Breweries, who Matsuzaka has a deal with, contacted Boston hoping to strike a deal, but were informed that the team was already committed to Anheuser-Busch and couldn't welcome any other beer company.




                      It is a conundrum which shuts the Red Sox off from cashing in on such potential Japanese markets as banking (Sox go with Bank of America), pharmacies (CVS is Boston's brand), and coffee, which has become a Starbucks-dominated industry in and around Tokyo. Dunkin Donuts has, and will continue to, dominate the billboards of Fenway.

                      "There is absolutely no doubt that there is not going to be a significant increase in our local revenue, which is all we're allowed to earn," Kennedy said. "Hopefully, you'll see a couple of Japanese companies advertising at Fenway, but at this stage we don't have any sponsorship arrangements in place."

                      Even the prospects of integrating the Red Sox-owned New England Sports Network programming into Japan won't bring substantially more cash Boston's way. The team can make some money by using new technology in broadcasts to change the virtual signage behind home plate, depending on which market is watching the game broadcast. But even then, only a piece of the money raised by the electronic advertising goes to the Sox, with MLB taking it's entitled chunk.

                      "There's no money to made by NESN at all since the broadcast rights are controlled exclusively by Major League Baseball," Kennedy explained. "MLB controls all the games showed in Japan."




                      What can come out of Matsuzaka's presence is the building of the team's brand. Kennedy reported that he saw one Red Sox hat to every 10 Yankees caps. It is a dynamic Boston is determined to promote, which will help in player procurement, overall goodwill regarding the organization throughout the Far East and the impetus to keep Boston's sellout streak of 307 straight games chugging along.

                      "There will be a bit of an up-tick in sponsorship revenue, maybe," Kennedy said. "We haven't done any deals with Japanese-based companies yet, but we hope we will and we will be very aggressive in pursuing. But it is important to know that this is clearly a baseball deal.

                      "I have heard all sorts of reports that we will get the money back (from marketing revenue). The only way you can justify this kind of expenditure, like any player, is if he's good. We're all about sustaining the phenomenon of the Red Sox."

                      You're money's no good here

                      The following are corporations who hold exclusive contracts with the Boston Red Sox, eliminating the option of similar Japanese companies advertising with the Sox:

                      Beer: Anheuser-Busch




                      Banking: Bank of America

                      Soft drinks: Coca-Cola

                      Airline: Delta

                      Credit card: MasterCard

                      Hospital: Beth Israel Deaconess

                      Coffee: Dunkin Donuts

                      Pharmacy: CVS

                      Office Supplies: W.B. Mason

                      Sporting goods: Sports Authority

                      Home improvement: Home Depot

                      Casino: Mohegan Sun
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                      • Originally posted by Medford Bronco
                        I still like Johnny without him no 2004 W series

                        Now to me Coco was putrid last year, plain and simple.

                        The reason why the Sox originally offered JD "IR" Drew the overpayment of $$ is because they know they screwed up with Damon. boy Wonder is trying to make right a wrong.

                        Also then if he did not believe in Willy Mo Pena, then why trade reliable Bronson Arroyo. Theo better hope Matsosaka (sp) is not the next Irabu and Brandon Donnelly is good (I think he is)

                        but to give $4 mill ot Joel Pinnero is absurd as well.
                        The strange thing with Piniero is that he made $6.3 mil. last season . His velocity dropped quite a bit last season. Perhaps throwing fewer innings will help..... but I don't view Piniero as anything more than a long reliever. I'm glad Cashman didn't make an offer.

                        Donnelly, on the other hand, should be a solid addition. The red sox have offered him $1.15 mil. in arbitration.... he's asking for $1.65 mil. I imagine they'll work something out before his hearing.
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                        • Hey KB the reason I cracked in Damon, was he is not a man of his word. He went on record saying that he would NEVER play for the Yankees. I just hate it when someone says one thing then does another. Truth be told he was one of and sril one of my favorite players, if he were to go to another team other after he is done with the Yankees, I hope he win more WS. I like him as a player bt don't respect him as a person
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                          • When did we get Piniero??




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                            • Originally posted by bengaaaaals1688
                              When did we get Piniero??







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                              • Originally posted by Southstander
                                Hey KB the reason I cracked in Damon, was he is not a man of his word. He went on record saying that he would NEVER play for the Yankees. I just hate it when someone says one thing then does another. Truth be told he was one of and sril one of my favorite players, if he were to go to another team other after he is done with the Yankees, I hope he win more WS. I like him as a player bt don't respect him as a person

                                I understand your points, South, but, unfortunately, only half of the story gets told these days and boston's front office gets a pass for reasons beyond my comprehension. My only problem is that Theo isn't a man of his word and boston's front office in general treated Damon like trash.

                                1. Damon BEGGED the red sox for an extension during the 2005 season. I've never heard red sox fans talk about this..... they instantly blame Damon. Theo told Damon that the red sox Do Not Negotiate Contracts During The Season . I was reading articles in Sept. 2005 about this.... and Damon was very upset. He was a big part of the win over the Yankees in 2004, yet :
                                ( 2006 transactions from boston's official site)
                                A. 4/10/06 Agreed to terms with DH/1B David Ortiz on a four-year contract extension with a club option for the 2011 season.

                                B. 7/19/06 Agreed to terms on a three-year contract extension with RHP Josh Beckett. The deal includes a club/vesting option for the 2010 season.

                                C. (from Cot's baseball contracts) Covelli Crisp of
                                3 years/$15.5M (2007-09), plus $8M 2010 club option
                                signed extension 4/06

                                2. My biggest problem with Damon being blamed:
                                I didn't think the Yankees had a shot at Damon UNTIL boston started trade negotions with Seattle for CF Jeremy Reed and with Cleveland for Coco Crisp. The trade negotiations started before the Yankees made Damon an offer. Damon was justifiably upset. The only negative statement he made about the red sox in his press conference to announce signing with the Yankees was his statement that "now the red sox can get one of those CF's they've been trying to trade for". The trade negotiations were, IMO, a slap in the face to Damon. I couldn't believe the red sox FO did that instead of focusing on retaining Damon.


                                3. boston's half-hearted initial offer to Damon was 3 years/$30 mil. Damon and JD Drew share the same agent, Scott Boras. Boras said that Damon was worth more than Drew's 5-year $55 mil. deal with the Dodgers. I don't see how that can be argued.

                                4.
                                A. The Yankees made Damon an offer for 4 years/$52 mil. and gave him 24 hours to make a decision.

                                B. boston raised their offer to 4 years/$40 mil.

                                C. Damon called Terry Francona to inform him about the Yankees offer. Keep in mind that theo wasn't employed by the red sox at that point, so Damon called his manager. Damon said he would stay if the red sox showed him enough respect to give him the mid-point between the offers : 4 years/$46 mil.

                                D. Francona called John Henry. Henry said the Yankees offer was "only a rumor", and refused to budge on the red sox offer.

                                E. Damon signed with the Yankees the next day.

                                5. Fast forward 12 months from the Yankees offer to Damon.....
                                boston offered JD Drew 5 years/$70 mil. Reporters tried to stir something up with Damon, but he would only say how happy he is in New York.



                                I've only been rooting for the Royals as my 2nd favorite team since the beginning of 2006, but I've followed them since 1977. My grandfather (R.I.P.) on my mom's side was a huge Royals fan and we watched/listened to many, many Royals games, a habit I continued after he passed away. Damon was an extremely popular Royal and I remember Steinbrenner trying to trade for him years ago. If I knew that Steinbrenner treasured Damon, why wouldn't boston's front office know??

                                Look at both sides of the story, South.

                                Can you honestly fault Damon and give the red sox a free pass?? I'm tired of seeing Damon vilified while Larry Lucchino and co. are praised. It's ridiculous. Had Theo been with the red sox at the time (this was when they had 2 co-GM's before Theo re-signed with the sox), perhaps things would have turned out differently.

                                Did Damon deserve to be lied to about "no negotiations during the season"??

                                Did he deserve to have to read about boston's negotiations to trade for his successor before the Yankees had even made an offer??

                                Can you truly fault Damon for rejecting the red sox half-hearted offer while the Yankees not only trumped the offer, but gave him what they call their "full-court press"?? Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, A-Rod, and Joe Torre were among the Yankees recruiting Damon. According to Damon's wife, Manny Ramirez advised him to take the Yankees offer.

                                What was boston doing to retain him?? Not much, IMO.
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