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  • #46
    The truth on Bell

    The true speed on Bell is he runs between a 4.34 and low 4.4's

    Here is what I found.

    Tatum Bell
    ANALYSIS
    Positives: Has a well-defined, muscular body with room to add additional bulk … Uses his quick initial step to burst through the holes … Shows good instincts and vision to see the rush lanes and tacklers … Has the strength to break tackles running inside and the speed to get to the corner, displaying above-average balance to turn it up field … Has made steady improvement in utilizing his second gear to break free in the open field … Adequate route runner who gets the job done on curls, flats and dump-offs … Has the blocking form and change-of-direction agility to pick up stunts and will not hesitate to take on a pass rusher … His ability to make the initial tackler miss brings back memories of another OSU great, Thurman Thomas (not as good a receiver, though) … Has a very fast running stride and looks natural bouncing off tackles when redirecting in-line.
    Negatives: Needs to run at a lower-pad level (when he gets high in his stance, he gets exposed, taking away his tackle-breaking power. If he keeps his pad level low, he can finish his runs) … Despite his speed, he's a one-cut runner who lacks juking skills to elude … Runs with the ball too low, resulting in several costly fumbles … Does not look natural catching the ball, letting it absorb into his body rather than extending for it … Has adequate lateral agility, but seems to be a bit stiff in his hips … Needs to do a better job of dipping his shoulder and run with power when trying to turn the corner … Short stepper who runs tall, but has deceptive speed in his stride … Can pick up the blitz and won't back down as a blocker, but lacks technique to dominate in this area.

    AGILITY TESTS
    4.34 in the 40-yard dash … 1.54 10-yard dash … 335-pound bench press … Bench presses 225 pounds 24 times … 445-pound squat … 38½-inch vertical jump … 31 7/8-inch arm length … 8 3/8-inch hands … Right-handed

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/tatum_bell


    Quentin Griffin
    Quentin is a outstanding receiver, just look at his stats from the first 3 years of his college career, he caught 117 passes for 976 yards and 3 touchdowns. When Griffin gets away chances are you not gonna catch him. He's been known to run 4.3 forty's and a player with 4.3 speed don't get run down from behind regularly in college
    CAMPUS AGILITY TESTS
    355-pound bench press … 465-pound squat … 38½-inch vertical jump.

    Now the truth is known and I dont there is that much of a difference in speed between QG and Tatum Bell, definatly not enough to make any difference whatsoever.
    Last edited by touchdownking; 08-12-2004, 12:50 AM.

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    • #47
      Griffin's most definitely slower; but true, not by much.

      However, Griffin is very quick to get to his top speed, which is a very good attribute (just look at a Portis when he hits the hole, amazing). And yes, Griffin is a great receiver.


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      • #48
        Well hat gets me is how everyone talks like Bell is so much faster then anyone. If you look at the stats and anyone who has any mathmatical knowledge would know the difference betwwen 3.34 and 3.4 is not even noticable. So please quit acting like Griffin would get burnt in a 40 because he would be right there .05 of a second away.

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        • #49
          Well there's a rather big difference from a 4.32 and a 4.4. 4.32 is gamebreaking speed; 4.4 is basically the same speed that most corners and a few safeties will have. 4.4 is almost the norm, while 4.32 is a "break the mold" speed.

          There IS a big difference; but a 4.4 person could seem much faster than a 4.32 person because either A) he's faster on field, or B) he's just plain quicker.


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          • #50
            Originally posted by NameUsedBefore
            Well there's a rather big difference from a 4.32 and a 4.4. 4.32 is gamebreaking speed; 4.4 is basically the same speed that most corners and a few safeties will have. 4.4 is almost the norm, while 4.32 is a "break the mold" speed.

            There IS a big difference; but a 4.4 person could seem much faster than a 4.32 person because either A) he's faster on field, or B) he's just plain quicker.
            Lets think about this .08 of a second over 40 yards. The difference between a 11 second 100 and 10.8 2 tenths over a hundred yards. In track that is alot on a football field does not mean as much. Rarely do both players O and D start at exactly the same time from the same place. Since the o has good idea where he is supposed to go and D has to react to various fakes and blocks. Just how much does 2 tens make over 100 yards?

            Just how many 40 yard runs are their in a game. By a Rb of course. WR's that is a horse (Bronco) of a different color.

            2 per game max as a general rule. How far can you go in .08 of second at full speed. Less than 2 yards, maybe much less.
            How many times does a RB have more than a 2 yard lead on the CB? As general rule safeties and LB's are much slower.

            Q is quick and has shifty feet, great balance. If a Cb or saftey is having to change directions do to a fake or a change in direction do they still have that 4.35 speed probably not.

            Personally think the flat out speed crap is just that. Now if your RB is a 4.5 or slower then it make a big difference. Most runs are for 6-8 yards and the intial burst is the factor. Not what they build up to after the first 20 yards.

            If somone is constantly breaking 40-90 yards it might make a big difference to be able to make up 4-6 yards over that distance. That would be good but other other than that. Not really sure after this is football and not track season.

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