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  • Chidoze
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    Originally posted by Whiteyford View Post
    I'm a hardcore Broncos fan, have been since 1985 (birth). I'm not saying this to anger anyone, it's just what I feel as a fan. John Lynch has 2 things working against him, he's old, and he's white (which most cases means slow, with the exception of Ed McCaffrey in his day). I'm not racist, but that's how it is in the NFL.

    The Broncos are trying to set the record for oldest players still on a team or something, Lynch is in his 12th year, Smith too. I didn't know Smith didn't count against the roster, so I'll take back the Kyle Johnson thing, but yes I did feel cuting Johnson was a mistake, the man could block.

    Also Seldum Young is too small, that's why he's undrafted. All it takes is one big hit and he's done.
    That's the great thing about him being small, we seldom see him caught by the big boys!

    Sorry, couldnt resist.
    Last edited by Chidoze; 01-02-2008, 10:01 PM.

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Do you honestly think that Marshall would have improved his route running this much on his own? No that is what Rod and he also taught him how to turn up field after he caught the ball. Don't forget most people put him and Jerry Rice in the same boat when turning up field after a catch.

    John Lynch is basically the same thing but he's actually playing as an extra linebacker. He's hardly ever in on passing downs. When it's a passing down they put Foxworth and Paymah in and take Lynch and Webster out. BTW it's only been 2 years without an interception this year and last year.

    We'll do the same thing with Rod that we did this year. He'll come to the mini camp and training camp and all of that but won't do anything but coach. Then we'll put him on the PUP list. Finally we'll put him on injured reserve and he'll finish out his contract as a player and he will retire. Finally we sign him to be our Wide Receivers coach.

    We cut Kyle Johnson because he wasn't a good blocker. They thought Cecil could block better, catch the same, and run better. So obviously you cut him since he couldn't play special teams.

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  • ndbroncofan07
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    ^^^Agreed totally. The only thing I dont agree with you on is Javon Walker but thats a different subject

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  • Ravage!!!
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    Originally posted by PaperBagBronco View Post
    But his salary did, so agian what is your point?
    His salary would have counted against the cap either way, unless you were ready to cut him at June. If thats the case, then you don't have any loyalty to one of the most beloved broncos in the franchise history.

    But I tell you who DOES have that loyalty.... Pat Bowlen. The man that owns the team, and pays the salaries. The one that HANDS out the money to the players..... HE is the one paying Rod Smith. HE is the one that wanted to keep Rod Smith on this team and on HIS payroll. Thats the point.

    Screw this "we should just shuck them to the side so we can keep some 2nd grade fullback".... Thats exactly how you LOSE a locker room. No thanks. I want a team and organization that shows some pride in their players.

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  • Return of Lava
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    Originally posted by Whiteyford View Post
    why Denver kept Rod Smith and cut Kyle Johnson makes no sense to me. John Lynch proved he is too slow to play safety. Now-a-days a Safety needs extreme make up speed, like the Asemwah guy on the Raiders, or is he a corner... anyway the point is Rod Smith and John Lynch were doing more harm then good.

    also, Walker was basicaly in tears during his video interview in which he broke the news he might be going. Walker has hands, if his knee doesn't swell up at all during the offseason we should hold on to him for dear life, Cutler needs good hand players like Walker because half the time Cutler throws into double coverage.
    Why are people saying he was near tears?

    I saw the interview and he didnt even come close to looking like he was gonna cry. Just looked like he was holding his toungue the whole time, trying not to say the wrong things

    too late
    Last edited by Return of Lava; 01-02-2008, 05:08 PM.

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  • PaperBagBronco
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    Originally posted by LordTrychon View Post
    Awesome.


    But for the record, Rod didn't count against the 53 man roster.



    But his salary did, so agian what is your point?

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  • PaperBagBronco
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    Originally posted by ndbroncofan07 View Post
    You bring up Rod Smith coaching but thats exactly what he did with Brandon Marshall they have been saying it all season and during the games Rod would be right there to make pointers to Brandon.

    Then make him a coach and pay him considrable less. Going by your logic we should put Elway back in a uniform but not to play just to help Cutler, you know to give him "pointers" and what not...

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  • Whiteyford
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    this thread is for real

    I'm a hardcore Broncos fan, have been since 1985 (birth). I'm not saying this to anger anyone, it's just what I feel as a fan. John Lynch has 2 things working against him, he's old, and he's white (which most cases means slow, with the exception of Ed McCaffrey in his day). I'm not racist, but that's how it is in the NFL.

    The Broncos are trying to set the record for oldest players still on a team or something, Lynch is in his 12th year, Smith too. I didn't know Smith didn't count against the roster, so I'll take back the Kyle Johnson thing, but yes I did feel cuting Johnson was a mistake, the man could block.

    Also Seldum Young is too small, that's why he's undrafted. All it takes is one big hit and he's done.

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  • aberdien
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    Let's just trade Champ for Asemwah.

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  • lancane
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    Originally posted by Whiteyford View Post
    why Denver kept Rod Smith and cut Kyle Johnson makes no sense to me. John Lynch proved he is too slow to play safety. Now-a-days a Safety needs extreme make up speed, like the Asemwah guy on the Raiders, or is he a corner... anyway the point is Rod Smith and John Lynch were doing more harm then good.

    also, Walker was basicaly in tears during his video interview in which he broke the news he might be going. Walker has hands, if his knee doesn't swell up at all during the offseason we should hold on to him for dear life, Cutler needs good hand players like Walker because half the time Cutler throws into double coverage.


    Cutler has one of the best arms in the league, he is constantly spoke of when talking about others with such arms, his rocket literally can get to his target quick enough to throw into double coverage...think back to the last K.C. game and you'll see. Elway did the same thing, it is not like he is trying to make a bad throw, he is launching it to where he can get it to his receiver...Deion Sanders said it best, "someone who throws a traditional and good overall pass is easy to catch" when talking about two missed interceptions, "now try that with a quarterback with a howlitzer and you may have your shoulder dislocated" - said after he missed two interceptions by John Elway that looked like they should have been intercepted!

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  • Hoserman117
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    I really do think we should try to get rid of Lynch. No doubt he is an imposing player but I do not think he can play safety anymore. I think it's been two seasons since he had a pick and I can't remember the last time I saw him hit down a pass (He actually had 3 this year, but I'm pretty sure that was very close to a league low) Last year we should have tried to grab Nelson or Griffin instead of Moss, maybe this year we can get a good safety in the 2nd or 3rd round. No doubt Lynch is good in run stopping... but our run defense was god awful. So obviously he doesn't make a difference in that category...

    So what exactly DOES he do for our defense? He gives leadership, and yes that's something that we will miss. But we can't afford to have such a big weak link in our secondary.

    I really wish we could grab somebody like OJ Atogwe in St. Louis. He's a very young player that is without a doubt Pro Bowl Caliber. And I think I heard somewhere he's a FA this year? I could be wrong though, and I'm pretty sure I am. Just saying...

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  • LordTrychon
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    Awesome.


    But for the record, Rod didn't count against the 53 man roster.


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  • rst08tierney
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    Originally posted by Whiteyford View Post
    why Denver kept Rod Smith and cut Kyle Johnson makes no sense to me. John Lynch proved he is too slow to play safety. Now-a-days a Safety needs extreme make up speed, like the Asemwah guy on the Raiders, or is he a corner... anyway the point is Rod Smith and John Lynch were doing more harm then good.

    also, Walker was basicaly in tears during his video interview in which he broke the news he might be going. Walker has hands, if his knee doesn't swell up at all during the offseason we should hold on to him for dear life, Cutler needs good hand players like Walker because half the time Cutler throws into double coverage.


    LMAO............another well thought post from a rookie

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  • ndbroncofan07
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    You bring up Rod Smith coaching but thats exactly what he did with Brandon Marshall they have been saying it all season and during the games Rod would be right there to make pointers to Brandon.

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  • PaperBagBronco
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    Originally posted by ndbroncofan07 View Post
    Rod Smith helped Brandon Marshall out first of all and you cant be serious about Kyle Johnson he wasnt half bad but come on now. John Lynch still puts on big hits and can still play. But I do agree with holding on to Javon Walker.
    Helped him out with what? Agian how many times did Brandon get in trouble with the law this year agian?...

    Rod was a great player but he needs to just call it quits. Shanahan needs to stop playing favorites and just let the guy go the way he dismissed other Vets on this team(Al Wilson)...

    I don't agree with the Lynch post though by the OP, I actually think he was one of the bright spots on this D.

    Smith, Gold, Walker via trade for whatever we can get for him, all need to be gone by next year. Those are just 3 off my head im sure I can think of a few more. BTW If Smith wants it I think the Broncos should offer him some type of coaching job, I think he would make one hell of a coach in this league. But I heard he is a buisness man so I doubt he wants it.

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