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  • Is Shanahan terrible at managing injuries?

    When I first saw Javon Walker claim that Shanahan mis-handled his knee injury, I thought it was just an excuse. But when I think about what has gone on this season with injuries, I am starting to doubt Shanahan's ability to understand and take care of his players...

    Simeon Rice - Yes he was a jerk, but he too claimed that Shanahan did a poor job in getting him ready for action on Sunday with his bum shoulder.

    Brandon Marshall - He had the groin injury in training camp and told the press that he didn't understand why Shanahan was so harsh on getting him out on the field before he was ready.

    Al Wilson - The leader and most respected player on our defense. When he injured his neck, Shanahan showed him the door and never looked back.

    Now I still think that Javon is a greedy player that should be let out of Denver for opening his big mouth without talking directly to Shanhan, but he is going through the same thing as the rest of these guys with poor injury management.

    What are your thoughts?

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    also he made TD go in and he was blind for minute

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Drunk Bronco View Post
      also he made TD go in and he was blind for minute
      But TD didn't say no, and we ended up winning a superbowl.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Drunk Bronco View Post
        also he made TD go in and he was blind for minute
        He was just a decoy and never had any part of the play... He was to distract the defense in a critical red zone play.

        Steve Antopolous (Horribly misspelled) is the medical trainer, and he tells Mike who can play and who can't play.



        Neither Wilson or Rice have suited up for play after our releasing of them. It's not us, its them.


        Injuries happen so what, it sucks but you can't blame the coach for it.
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        • #5
          ya wilson and rice havn't really played much since their injuries...but what about walker and marshall and the others who claim shanahan rushes them back onto the field with their injuries??

          mark schlereth commented once about how he felt that he wouldn't be able to play in a playoff game with a bad knee..and he said that shanahan came up to him and told him to get a cortizone shot so he could play...

          if what these players are saying is true..then shanahan could be jeopardizing their health and their careers for a W..don't get me wrong i want the broncos to win as much as the next bronco fun..but at what costs?? we win that game..but what happens when a player has to retire early because of lingering injuries that never got the chance to fully heal? what does that one win matter then unless it's the superbowl?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by phanofsports17 View Post
            ya wilson and rice havn't really played much since their injuries...but what about walker and marshall and the others who claim shanahan rushes them back onto the field with their injuries??

            mark schlereth commented once about how he felt that he wouldn't be able to play in a playoff game with a bad knee..and he said that shanahan came up to him and told him to get a cortizone shot so he could play...

            if what these players are saying is true..then shanahan could be jeopardizing their health and their careers for a W..don't get me wrong i want the broncos to win as much as the next bronco fun..but at what costs?? we win that game..but what happens when a player has to retire early because of lingering injuries that never got the chance to fully heal? what does that one win matter then unless it's the superbowl?
            What Shanahan did with Marshall was to challenge him to see if he was mentally strong.

            “I was kind of hesitant at first, but as you can see… I’ve got a smile on my face.” — Brandon Marshall 8/10/07

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            • #7
              It is simple! It's a win now business or look for a new job, just ask the miami coach. The coach has nothing to do with injuries or managing the injuries. Each team has a medical staff that oversees the care of the players. Coaches put in players that are cleared by the medical staff to play.

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              • #8
                i said this before.. Javon himself put himself in the bind.


                but then again, "attempted to alert" instead of "alerted the team" perks my eyebrow that he was hiding the injury from the doctors.
                McDaniles Career as a failure of a Head Coach is being fulfilled. Termination of McFailure has happen.

                Rejoice Bronco Fans we have taken our team back, but at a heavy cost.

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                • #9
                  I think that Shanny is just terrible at managing PEOPLE. I think Shanny is a top coach and i can't think of someone i'd rather have as a HC right now, BUT when it comes to saying who stays and who goes, who we draft and why, and who is the best "talent" for the system we're running, I'm not so sure that he's doing a very good job at all. We need a REAL GM. Sundquist is Shanny's "yes" man. He's more of a talent scout and recruiter than he is a GM.

                  Some of his better "managerial decisions" of the past several years:

                  -A plethora of first round draft picks wasted - Ashley Lelie, George Foster, Deltha Oneal, Willie Middlebrooks.

                  -The one good trade he made (Champ for Portis) he turned around and screwed up by passing on Steven Jackson for DJ Williams. No matter what people think of DJ, Jackson is a top 10 impact player at his position, DJ is not and never has been.

                  -The continuous revolving door at RB where we continually try to do more with less instead of just investing in the future. Every year we pick up a new scrub and they're gone a year or two later. Does anyone here really think that Selvin Young will ever amount to anything for the Broncos or that he'll even get a roster spot next year? Can anyone say Mike Bell? One year's treasure at RB is next year's trash in the Shanahan stable of "disposable RBs" where it seems he always has a shiny (but not necessarily good) new toy to play with every year.

                  -What is going on with the STs? We've gone through over 20 KR/PR "specialists" and swapped out STs players and coaches like they are going out of style and they STILL SUCK!?!?

                  I could go on forever if I really thought about it, but I really don't think we need a new HC, I think we need a REAL GM.
                  Last edited by HORSEPOWER 56; 01-03-2008, 07:38 PM.

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                  • #10
                    If you ask me he's responsible for the injuries to begin with. We start our off-season workouts far later than any other team in the league. I think a good amount of our guys, then, come in out of shape and suspect to injury, and remain that way for a good while, as the rest of the league has already been on the field for some time now, and most of the lingering effects our gone.

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                    • #11
                      Everyone was questioning Marshall on his injury during training camp. That was the point of the coach stepping up and saying something, trying to test this kid and see if he was too 'soft' for the NFL. There have been a LOT of great athletes in the NFL that just couldn't play with pain, and didn't know the difference between pain and injury.

                      Marshall was only in his second season, and SHanahan wanted him to PROVE that he truly WANTED to earn that starting role. Shanahan has to make tough decisions during those camps, and he can't make a decision on a young talent if he's sitting in the spa.

                      WALKER.. Walker PUSHED himself to get back on that field because he knew he was due a roster bonus coming this march (may?)... and wanted to prove that he deserved the money. It was Walker that hid how serious his injury was.. and I still think he is.. HOPING to get another pay day. Thats why he's pissed about not getting the roster bonus. He knew another injury has cost his pocket.

                      Al Wilson didn't clear with anyone, and isn't eligible to play football.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Maharishineo View Post
                        If you ask me he's responsible for the injuries to begin with. We start our off-season workouts far later than any other team in the league. I think a good amount of our guys, then, come in out of shape and suspect to injury, and remain that way for a good while, as the rest of the league has already been on the field for some time now, and most of the lingering effects our gone.
                        People said the exact opposite about D ick Vermeil when he was in St. Louis. He would have them come in earlier, work longer, and work more hours... old school style. Then when he started getting injuries late in the season, the players blamed him for wearing them out during the camps. A coach can't win either way. I don't think you can blame Shanahan for Walkers knee having a calcium deposit, and I don't think you can blame Shanahan for Al Wilson's neck injury.

                        But you can sure try.

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                        • #13
                          I can blame Shanahan for many things, mostly do with personnel decisions. But injuries? That's just ridiculous. This is football. If I had it my way, the Broncos would be practicing in full pads every practice and camp - just like the Patriots do. You never want injuries to happen, but it's part of the game.

                          As far as 'managing' injuries - I don't even know what that means. Most of the time, Shanahan doesn't even really deal with the players that are injured - that's the trainers' and medical staff's job. They work with the players and report directly to Shanahan. If they tell him a player's not ready, Shanahan's not going to put that player in and risk a lawsuit - which is exactly what would happen in today's NFL.

                          Al Wilson should never have played after the Seahawks game. The medical staff definitely dropped the ball on that one, as did Al Wilson to some degree. But Shanahan isn't a doctor.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ravage!!! View Post
                            People said the exact opposite about D ick Vermeil when he was in St. Louis. He would have them come in earlier, work longer, and work more hours... old school style. Then when he started getting injuries late in the season, the players blamed him for wearing them out during the camps. A coach can't win either way. I don't think you can blame Shanahan for Walkers knee having a calcium deposit, and I don't think you can blame Shanahan for Al Wilson's neck injury.

                            But you can sure try.
                            I preach a lot about balance, it's the same here. He doesn't have to bring them in early and work them harder, but I don't think starting so late is helping. And mojo, I'm not saying he's solely responsible or blaming injuries on him. But I am saying it very well could be an underlying factor in explaining the number of injuries we get--why it's so common for us. I'm just speculating, and after all--there's benefits to starting late, too, such as staying fresher than the other teams. You know my preference anyway.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by HORSEPOWER 56 View Post
                              No matter what people think of DJ, Jackson is a top 10 impact player at his position, DJ is not and never has been.
                              sorry, but this is crazy to me. dj was nearly defensive rookie of the year his first year here. this year he was 2nd in the entire league in tackles after yet again switching positions! trust me, on that draft day, i threw things and called shanahan everything i could think of for passing on stephen jackson, but you can't say that dj isn't a top 10 mlb. name 10 mlbs that are better and i'll disagree with you while doing my absolute best not to be a homer


                              there's no way to blame shanahan for injuries or how quickly they heal, but the way he deals with them has always bothered me. it seems like him and the broncos are never honest about the severity of injuries which bothers the hell out of me. one day javon's knee is fine, just a little swelling, but no issue; next day he has to have more surgery. rod's knee is fine, he's going on PUP and will be active come week six; come week 16 rod admits that his knee is worse than ever and he requires more surgery...

                              i AM getting a little tired of never knowing how badly hurt our players ACTUALLY are.

                              other than that though, shanahan can't be blamed for injuries or healing in any way.


                              "Don't let anyone say you can't do anything. Look what Dee achieved in 24 years."
                              We all Miss you D-Will and Damien. RIP Broncos forever. :salute:

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