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  • HORSEPOWER 56
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    Stop drinking the Kool-Aid!

    I know everyone here was really hoping for some change after a poor season, but now that the anger/hurt is fading and everyone is feeling a little better please realize that any change isn't necessarily "good change". I don't think there's going to be much improvement, if any, with Slowik on his own. Think about it...if we "scrapped" Bates' scheme after week 5, then who's were we running? That's right, ladies and gentlemen...SLOWIK! This guys hands are NOT CLEAN ON THIS! HE was the DC last year - NOT BATES! Bates was an Assistant HC, an advisor. Slowik called the plays from the booth!

    IT ISN'T LIKE THE DEFENSE WAS GOOD BEFORE BATES GOT HERE!!!!

    It's kinda like when Alex Gibbs left and everyone thought that his "scheme" would go with him, even after we recruited his replacement from within...a guy who learned it from Gibbs.

    Slowik was the man calling the defense this past year...how much do any of you think is really going to change? Our only hope is that the big 3 we drafted (Moss, Crowder, Thomas) will start living up to their potential and become Umeniora, Tuck, Strahan (especially with Elvis doing so well - but only as a pass rusher).

    Oh, a little :offtopic: , but thinking we'll be better off without Javon Walker is ridiculous, also. He's the best WR we can possibly get right now to compliment Marshall because we just can't afford to drop an asswhack of money on a guy like Bernard Berrian who's a one-trick-pony like Ashley Lelie.

    I hope I'm wrong because I'm going to HATE sitting back saying I TOLD YOU SO at the same time next year.
    Last edited by HORSEPOWER 56; 01-09-2008, 11:56 AM.

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  • BroncoDoom
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    I think this is gonna work out. If you remember a few years back the defense was struggling under Coyer's gameplans early in the season, **** was about to hit the fan and they had a meeting... and Coyer allowed the players more control over what they were doing defensively. Allowed them to play to their strengths and more instinctively. It turned everything around for the defense.

    Jim Bates came in with a reputation for "his defense" being a good one and a new scheme was forced on the players. He cut/traded veterans like Gerard Warren who were liked and better than any DT we have now. I never saw his defense take with anyone, from training camps i attended through regular season games i attended. The players never had a clue and were visibly frustrated at all the games i attended. This group of players we have on defense play best when they can do their own thing and do what they do best. Bates never adjusted to this. Coyer did. Coyer wasn't a great D coordinator, but he let the players play to their strengths and gave them more freedom than what I assume they got with Bates gameplans.

    Bring in Slowik, who as we all can tell from players reactions...is a players coach, you can tell they all seem happy with this move. I think he will give our stars and veterans the ability to play to their strengths and give them more freedom like Coyer did, but hopefully he can still implement good game plans and adjust better than Coyer when our D needs his help.

    on a side note, Jarvis Moss will get looked at as a linebacker next year, Javon will stay, Selvin will be the starter with a healthy unstoned Travis Henry as the second providing a much better attack than they did this year, and for all the draft predictors, no one will get it right and we will all get thrown for a total loop!

    Cheers

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  • muse
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    We don't just need a plugger, we need an athletic, top tier one who can play the majority of downs. Our problem is that we don't have an anchor on the line anymore since Pryce left. We need a "centre" for the DLine, the sort of guy who is large, imposing, athletic and who his team mates can rally around. I've not really appreciated it until recently but we need a nose tackle who will stick around in this franchise for a decade. A player who can command a double team on every play (which should help Marcus Thomas a lot as he's more quick than strong), and force the opposing team to run outside the tackles...and since we like our LBs speedy it should work pretty well.

    There's a reason why these DTs appear on the market very seldom...they're franchise players. And I really hope we can nab Okam and he can be that guy (although it won't likely be instant). Shanny's only drafted three DTs on the first day in the last decade: Trevor Pryce, Montae Reagor and Dorsett Davis. I think it's time to do it again and hopefully it'll be third time lucky since 1999! DT - like the interior of the OL - is one of the least flashy positions. But I have to say they - and to a greater extent than just about every other position on the team - can make the whole unit better or worse.

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  • Breakaway23
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    I don't blame Bates so much. Our defense is the result of not taking or signing the right players on the d-line for years. This has been a long-time problem that showed it's head in the past somewhat, but finally came to fruition this season.

    Although, I do think with the talent on defense it could have been better.

    The Broncos need to concentrate on the defensive line. Draft Okam or try to trade up to get Glenn Dorsey.

    But saying no to Laurinitis if he will be there might be hard.

    Still I think the defensive line is most of the problem. We need real pluggers. Not fill-in guys or has beens.

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  • mojo0730
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    Originally posted by Ravage!!! View Post
    what years were those? I have to admit, I didn't know about those.
    For Chicago, I'm pretty sure I read he was there in the mid-90s. And Cleveland, late 90's/early 00's.

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  • Ravage!!!
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    Originally posted by mojo0730 View Post
    I think people are judging him for his stints in Chicago and Cleveland, as well.
    what years were those? I have to admit, I didn't know about those.

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  • mojo0730
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    Originally posted by Ravage!!! View Post
    People want to judge SLowick on his ONE stint in GB. How long ago was that???

    Shanahan didn't do well in his first stint in Oakland. Belicheck certainly didn't have success in Cleveland. Norv Turner hasn't had success ANYWHERE before this one season in SD (I know, I know....he's still a bad coach). So judging Slowick based on ONE year in GB, YEARS ago doesn't really give the guy much of a chance. Where do you think all these coordinators come from? They don't just grow on trees, but they GROW in the NFL with experience.

    I think SLowick has a very good chance of doing a good job. As Fred said.... damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

    I think most here just want to gripe.
    I think people are judging him for his stints in Chicago and Cleveland, as well.

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  • Ravage!!!
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    People want to judge SLowik on his ONE stint in GB. How long ago was that??? (2003 season, fired in 2004)

    Shanahan didn't do well in his first stint in Oakland. Belicheck certainly didn't have success in Cleveland. Norv Turner hasn't had success ANYWHERE before this one season in SD (I know, I know....he's still a bad coach). So judging Slowik based on ONE year in GB, YEARS ago doesn't really give the guy much of a chance. Where do you think all these coordinators come from? They don't just grow on trees, but they GROW in the NFL with experience.

    I think SLowik has a very good chance of doing a good job. As Fred said.... damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

    I think most here just want to gripe.

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  • RazR
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    "I've heard the scuttlebutt where people are disappointed in Coach Shanahan because we just had his worst record since '99," Broncos cornerback Dre Bly said. "But I know Coach Shanahan is going to get this thing straightened out and we're going to move forward. I think once we get some stability with the guys up front, you're going to see our defense get better and better."

    Bly hit the nail right on the head in that last sentence.

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  • silkamilkamonic
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    Argument against this.......Bob Slowik had a stint as the DC for Green Bay, and they were one of the worst units in the entire NFL. Bates took over that same unit and turned them into top 10. Going by track record I don't feel comfortable at all with Slowik, but I don't think the defense can get much worse.

    Argument for.....I have all the opinions I want on a coach, but I think it's important to hear how the players feel. In the final game they were talking about Dumervil and Coach Shanahan, and he said all the players have "mad respect" for him. Seeing Bly's comments, the players still have faith in him. That's good enough for me right now.

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  • JerseyAdam
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    If I read this correctl, it is kind of ironic that Bates replaces Slo in GB after he was fired, and now Slo is replacing Bates after he was essentially fired here.

    Welcome to the NFL.


    The guys seem to be more comfortable and trusting in Slo. at least the D backs. Maybe that was a large problem, it sounded like the D backs were almost seperate from the D line and LB's when it came to game planning the overall scheme for the D.

    I know each set of positions are different and bla bla, but if I could say this. the biggest problem we have had here is being consistant in all aspects of our game. Maybe this is the step in the right direction, overall. It can't get much worse!

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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post
    Not to be a Bates defender, but players should never give up and quit on a system. I think it's more telling that no one on the staff could find a scheme that worked. That's more telling of the horrible personnel on D than the guy running it. IMHO.

    and the player never gave up on the system...shannahan did...but the players also knew it wasnt giving them a chance to win and in fact by attempting to run bates scheme we ourselfs created all this turmoil with the ebb and flow of DL personal

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  • Bronco51
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    Not to be a Bates defender, but players should never give up and quit on a system. I think it's more telling that no one on the staff could find a scheme that worked. That's more telling of the horrible personnel on D than the guy running it. IMHO.

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  • PowderAddict
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    Interesting.

    I’m eagerly awaiting the free-agent period, and the draft, to see who is brought in where.

    I’m absolutely willing to give Slowik a chance. He may not be the “sexy” big name everyone wants, but what I really want to see is some consistency out of the defense. Hopefully he can provide that.

    The offense should improve some next year (hopefully Nalen can come back healthy and the line play improves), which will take some pressure off of the defense.

    I hate the looooooong offseason when the Broncos are out of the playoffs!!

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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by mojo0730 View Post
    This actually makes me feel even more secure in firing Bates. It seems that most of the players gave up on his scheme pretty much during the Indy game. I just think that we need to move forward, and although I'm not keen on Slowik, I think he deserves the chance Bates got.


    thats about what i thought after reading this...and as i said all year we have some classy guys, guys who wouldnt throw bates under the bus while he's here...but now he's gone and we are starting to see some of the frustration with his system surface verbally...we seen it all year on the faces of champ and the dbs

    i also am not thrilled with slo...but the players seem to respect him, the choice offers stability and a chance to regroup from within..kinda like its was our problem , and were gonna fix it from within

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