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  • TheFuture6
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    Originally posted by Return of Lava View Post
    looks like the Chargers are blitzing and having success, its about mixing it up and catching them offguard....
    You'd think it would be that simple, huh?

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  • stnzed
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    Originally posted by Return of Lava View Post
    looks like the Chargers are blitzing and having success, its about mixing it up and catching them offguard....

    The Chargers run a 3-4, they have to blitz......

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  • Return of Lava
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    Originally posted by Emari07 View Post
    I think that if we fix our front 4 we would be fine because you guys are right if we blitz a lot against manning and brady they will torch us just like they did the jaguars because they had lack of a pass rush I hope shanny gets our d line fixed so we can get back to are winning ways GO BRONCS
    looks like the Chargers are blitzing and having success, its about mixing it up and catching them offguard....

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  • Emari07
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    front 4

    I think that if we fix our front 4 we would be fine because you guys are right if we blitz a lot against manning and brady they will torch us just like they did the jaguars because they had lack of a pass rush I hope shanny gets our d line fixed so we can get back to are winning ways GO BRONCS

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  • Cugel
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    Originally posted by NinjaPirateFunk View Post
    no team's unblitzable. we beat new england by disrupting them with blitzes. the only thing is that some teams are just harder to find that balance for. it depends on the team, and the coach. on both ends.
    Well, of course, you're right. The Pats beat the Colts by bringing blitzes at Manning. It's just that you have to get good pressure with just 4 and then disguise coverages and then bring an extra LB or S from different angles, when he's not expecting it. And they have to get in his face quickly, and hit him after every throw and the CBs and S's have to have tight coverage on their receivers so he can't hit the quick slant.

    And most importantly, without a doubt, you can't do that all the time or even most of the time.

    In short you have to do a LOT right on defense to slow down an offense like the Colts. This year Marvin Harrison wasn't healthy and didn't play much against the Chargers andthat really hurt them. Instead of Harrison and Wayne they only had Wayne.

    But, the Colts defense fell apart in that game, not their offense, just like it did in the playoffs in 2005 & 2006.

    The Pats lost to the Broncos blitzing defense in 2005 -- but only because Brady missed a BUNCH of wide-open WRs deep down the middle on plays.

    The weakness on the Pats was their WRs before this season. Then they got Randy Moss and Wes Walker and now it's one of the best sets of WRs in football. Obviously, that was the missing ingredient for them to turn them into possibly the most dominant team in NFL history.

    If the 2005 Broncos played this years' Patriots would Brady have mistimed all those WRs? Or would Randy Moss have caught about 4 or 5 TDs?

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  • JoeBalla2k5
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    Other teams will blitz Brady and get killed but they dont have Champ Bailey...

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  • NinjaPirateFunk
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    Originally posted by Cugel View Post
    That is the entire point. It's not that you can NEVER blitz, it's that if you need to blitz to succeed (as in 2005) then you get to the playoffs and get killed.

    If the Broncos went to the blitz-happy style of 2005 I would expect the defense to improve a lot during 2008. And everybody would be happy and talking about how eager they are to get to the playoffs, yada, yada, yada.

    And then the Broncos would run into teams you can't blitz and get killed. Just as they did in 2003, 2004 & 2005.
    no team's unblitzable. we beat new england by disrupting them with blitzes. the only thing is that some teams are just harder to find that balance for. it depends on the team, and the coach. on both ends.

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  • Al Wilson_56
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    I'm not really worried about bob slowik being our dc. Our offense has become very productive with the emergence of Marshall and Cutler and Selvin Young who will be even better next year which is scary. I believe Selvin Young will be a great back next year which will make Cutler even better. Also i forget which year this occured because i just recently got really into broncos, but we held many teams in the first part of year to score no touchdowns until we played Cleveland, and im pretty sure we had a blitz happy defense but I'm not sure. Shanny just needs to pick up a safety to replace Lynch, and some really good dts. Bring Al Wilson back!

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  • SBAlki
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    Didn't Bellicheck get fired from his previous job in Cleveland? Also, if I recall correctly.... didn't we beat the Patriots in the playoffs in 05 with the "blitzing d" I agree that the scheme of blitz 8-9 or fake blitz 8-9 is not ideal. However, I think if our Offense is efficient and limits the 3 and outs then we should be good.

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  • Ian
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    Originally posted by Cugel View Post

    They didn't blitz because Tom Brady kills the blitz. Everybody knows this, so they tried something different. They thought their front 4 (who are all very good) could get pressure on Brady WITHOUT blitzing, and they could occasionally bring 1 LB to add additional pressure.
    You said it for me my friend, they didn't blitz and they lost. I'm not saying I have all the answers, but as a Monday morning QB I have the luxury of the could have and would have. Had the Jags blitzed the Pats, we'd be watching the Chargers play the Jags this weekend.

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  • Ian
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    hmm... Okay, I'll give you the answer and you think of the question. Colts, Eagles, Ravens and Giants.

    Imagine a thread where the title was "How Shannahan did in Oakland!"

    At this point I'm convinced, it takes a nation, fair enough, but if I were a coach, I'm saying that NFL Offenses are becoming immune to this stran. Where can I go back, and which basics can I develop that will push these guys over the edge? History repeats itself and the most historic teams that stick out in my head had Defenses; The Steel Curtain, The Orange Crush, Bears, Ravens...

    We don't remember Lawrence Taylor, Reggie White or Michael Strahan because of their knack for open field tackling... They kill Quarter Backs, by being part of blitzing Defenses.
    Last edited by Ian; 01-16-2008, 10:35 PM.

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  • Cugel
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    Originally posted by Ian View Post
    You know who else didn't blitz this weekend? The Jaguars...
    That wasn't why the Jaguars lost, nor does it even hint at proving that they would have won if they'd blitzed more!

    They didn't blitz because Tom Brady kills the blitz. Everybody knows this, so they tried something different. They thought their front 4 (who are all very good) could get pressure on Brady WITHOUT blitzing, and they could occasionally bring 1 LB to add additional pressure.

    It worked about as well as anything has this season against the Patriots. They made some key stops, but not enough, and their offense (which of course isn't nearly as good as the Pats) couldn't keep up.

    Thus, they lost. Not a big surprise. The Patriots are simply so much better on offense than anybody else that they will very probably win a SB. I.E. NOBODY will beat them all year, and they will go down as the best team in the in the history of the NFL.

    As much as I hate them, they will have proven it. So, saying that somebody didn't beat them doesn't mean that the approach was wrong, simply that no approach has yet worked.

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  • Ian
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    Careful

    Originally posted by Cugel View Post
    That is the entire point. It's not that you can NEVER blitz, it's that if you need to blitz to succeed (as in 2005) then you get to the playoffs and get killed.

    If the Broncos went to the blitz-happy style of 2005 I would expect the defense to improve a lot during 2008. And everybody would be happy and talking about how eager they are to get to the playoffs, yada, yada, yada.

    And then the Broncos would run into teams you can't blitz and get killed. Just as they did in 2003, 2004 & 2005.
    You know who else didn't blitz this weekend? The Jaguars...

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  • broncolee
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    It won't matter if Slowik installs a blitz happy defense, if the Broncos offense scores 30+ points per game. In fact, if the offense does generate that kind of output, many of us will be swearing up and down that we have the greatest defense on earth. Let's just hope the offense puts up those kind of points, because if they don't, it's going to be another bad year in Broncoville. Blitzing is going to be necessary because it's unlikely that the Broncos are going to have a front four that will get consistent pressure on the quarterback.

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  • Cugel
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    Originally posted by bucking bronco View Post
    The whole statement above is B.S.

    Tom Brady had his worse game of the year playing against blitz-happy Baltimore. If you give even the worse QB in the league enough time, a reciever will eventually get open. I don't care if you have the whole defense back there covering, eventually someone will get open.

    Brady and Manning have excellent O-lines and rarely get sacked or hurried. You are not going to get consistant pressure on either QB, with just the front four. They simply stand back there, scan the field, check off recievers, have a cup of coffee and throw it to the reciever that gets separation.

    Pressure on the QB combined with press coverage is the best way to disrupt the Colts and Patriots timing offenses.

    The blitzes need to be well-disguised, unpredictable and coming from all angles to have success.
    It's not B.S. at all. You don't have a clue what you're talking about! The Ravens have Haloti Ngata and Terrell Suggs and Ray Lewis! That might have something to do with their ability to rush the passer! All those guys are high #1 draft picks.

    In fact, the Ravens spend so much of their salary cap on defensive players (including signing Trevor Pryce to a $10 million contract) that their offense sucks.

    They play a 3-4 so they bring a LB on most every play, and like other 3-4 defenses, they can disguise which LB will be blitzing.

    What I'm saying is exactly what Phil Simms was saying in the commentary on tonight's Patriots game, if you had been paying attention. You can't blitz Manning or Brady with 8 men consistently or they'll kill you by hitting an open WR for big plays. Roetlisberger did this in the 2005 AFC Championship. Manning did this in 2003 & 2004 to the Broncos.

    Of course, the Ravens having a dominant D-line (and front 7) helps a lot too and the Ravens have long been one of the dominant defenses in the NFL. (Their offense has been horrible though so that doesn't help much).

    It might not be a bad idea for the Broncos to go to a 3-4 if they could get the players to excel in it the way the Ravens have. That way they could disguise coverages and blitz different LBs from different angles, just like the Patriots did to the Colts in 2003 & 2004, and the Steelers did in 2005 and the Colts did to the Patriots in 2006.

    But, it will never happen because Shanahan doesn't want to do it and because the Broncos don't have a dominant NT.

    So, they're stuck with Shanahan's "10-6 and anything can happen in the playoffs" even though nothing ever does.
    Last edited by Cugel; 01-12-2008, 09:25 PM.

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