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  • silkamilkamonic
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    I'm so sorry. But I could not resist......

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  • BaileyTheBest
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    Originally posted by japfaff View Post
    Umm.... Well lets see

    Indy
    New England
    Tenn.
    Jacksonville
    Buffalo
    Houston
    Baltimore
    Pitt.
    SD
    KC
    NYG
    Dallas
    Philly
    GB
    Minn
    TB
    Sea
    Chicago
    Cleveland
    NO
    USC

    You know what it is easier to say i would take our Dline over
    Oak
    Cinncy
    Ariz
    SF
    NYJ

    Sorry dude the only player we got on our dline that you can really 100% count on is Dumms

    But hey at least we didnt pay tommy Kelly 50mil....You gotta love the wonderful Oakland Raiders, with out them what would we laugh at??
    if we still had CP's I'd hit you up for that one! Sad thing is you're probably right!

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  • Mat'hir Uth Gan
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    Originally posted by RBI90 View Post
    http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10853318

    Granted, this is per Prisco. He has the Broncos as having the 25th best DL.

    That's actually about spot-on with where I grade the Broncos line a few posts up. I agree with him.

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  • broncolee
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    Has anyone mentioned that as of right now, the starting defensive line is Engelberger, Robertson, McKinley, and Dumervil? A fact that negates any claim that the Broncos have the best defensive line in the NFL, simply because of Engelberger and McKinley.

    That could be the line only until things get shaken out during training camp, but there's no way we can say that the Broncos have the best defensive line in the NFL. There's no history of production to back any such claim.

    If you're going to project what the starting line will be and then say that it will be the best in league, I could understand that kind of optimism. I would love to see Moss, Crowder, Thomas, and Robertson tear things up, with Dumervil coming in for passing situations to pressure the quarterback. What ever the starting line ends up being, I hope they do a lot better than the defensive line did in the last two years.

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  • draco193
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    Originally posted by Broncosfreak_56 View Post
    The is a difference between blind homerism, and being realistic while still being a fan.

    Realistic Bronco fans like me realize that:

    1. Dewayne Robertson is on his last legs because of his degenerative knee condition

    I dont think this is neccasarily true. He hasnt show any ill effects from it (ie he hasnt missed playing time because of it).

    2. Jarvis Moss is still unproven, and coming off a serious leg injury which could take away from his greatest asset, which is(was) his rare athletic ability for his size.

    Agreed. Hopefully though he turns out to be fine.

    3. Marcus Thomas wasn't exactly "great" last year, and we don't know how much he will improve this season.

    Agreed. Hopefully though he turns into at least a mediocre DT, and possibly a good one.

    4. Dumervil is a great sack specialist, but still a liability in the running game.

    I think he became more stout against the run as the season went on, but, his specialty is definitley rushing, not stopping the run. A mixture of him and Jarvis I hope will help them both against the run.
    Replies in blue. I really do think this year the line will be better, even though there remain a lot of question marks. I mean, it would be pretty hard to be worse.



    Also, according to these tables, our left ends were better at stopping the run than 9 other team's lefts ends, including Pittsburgh and SD.
    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl.php

    I probably am really misinterpreting them. So, if someone has a real clue about them, please let me know.

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  • RBI90
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    http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10853318

    Granted, this is per Prisco. He has the Broncos as having the 25th best DL.

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  • rogue719
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    Originally posted by Cutler=Elway View Post
    No but, I think I'll say it again ...we will have a top ten D and a top 10 o, It's not far feched to think we will win the west and go deep in the playoff's...does that mean I'm biased...maybe but I think we really improved in alot of area's. The Giants last year was not a very good team at the start but they believed and they did it...You can't tell me if you look at our team and on any given Sunday we can't beat anyone...sky is the limit for us becouse we already hit bottom.
    Well, on any given Sunday ANYONE can beat anyone in the NFL (though I really didn't think the Dolphins had any chance against the Patsies).

    Now, does "any given Sunday" translate to winning 12 or more games (cause we will likely need that to win the West against the Chargers) and then going deep into the playoffs? Not likely. It means that we may play the Chargers and have a chance of beating them, unless our team really starts showing up for games.

    Top ten D? Maybe but don't count on it unless pretty much all of our offseason moves pay off, we finally get a consistent pass rush, people stay healthy and our special teams manages to give our Defense a long field to defend.

    Top ten O? Not likely unless we get a breakout running attack, do better in the red zone than we have in the past several years and get good field position from our special teams.

    I'm all for orange colored glasses but I'm a realist. And I'm originally from Missouri. They gotta show me.

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  • ItalianBronco
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    Originally posted by jcdavey View Post
    so it's your opinion right now that every bronco is #1 in the nfl at their position? lol
    No but, I think I'll say it again ...we will have a top ten D and a top 10 o, It's not far feched to think we will win the west and go deep in the playoff's...does that mean I'm biased...maybe but I think we really improved in alot of area's. The Giants last year was not a very good team at the start but they believed and they did it...You can't tell me if you look at our team and on any given Sunday we can't beat anyone...sky is the limit for us becouse we already hit bottom.

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  • rogue719
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    Originally posted by NinjaPirateFunk View Post
    i wouldn't say we suck. i wouldn't say we're good.

    because we haven't seen this unit perform this season. not one down. we should just wait before we write them off.
    Nooooo, last year we really sucked. This year the jury is still out. Until we prove we don't suck, suckage is our middle name where the D-Line is concerned.

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  • rogue719
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    Originally posted by Cutler=Elway View Post
    better than ours? Take in account we have just added Robertson and Moss...


    This is what you have...Robertson and Thomas ----Dummer and Moss on the Edge...
    6 count them 6 dt's and de's that your goung to be swopping in and out.
    I know the G-men are stacked but Stra might retire...
    I am really being dead serious when I say I wouldn't take any other line than ours...
    Maybe Minny, but after that WHO?
    Wait a minute! This has a curious feeling of deja vu about it!

    Yes, I heard exactly the same statements last season when we drafted Jarvis Moss, Tim Crowder and Marcus Thomas and signed Simeon Rice.

    Hmmmmm, how'd that work out again?

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  • jcdavey
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    Originally posted by Cutler=Elway View Post
    I just noticed something some of us call the team OUR TEAM ,some of you just say tha Denver's D is BLAH BLAH BLAH...if your a true fan Here in Colorado we refer to the Bronco's as our team...
    so it's your opinion right now that every bronco is #1 in the nfl at their position? lol

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  • jcdavey
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    Originally posted by conannilsen View Post
    Some of you in this forum must seriously be fans of other teams as No way in hell should anyone think that over half the league has a better D-Line than ours. You must be Kidding. Vastly improved and overhauled in 2 years with youth and depth we will be one of top fronts in the league this year and should be full of youthful energy come this postseason.

    I can not believe some of you put the Raiders, I am even ashamed to put them in this sentence.
    no it's just that some of your fellow bronco fans know how to tell the truth at least based on past performances.

    as far as the raiders though, denver's better than them, sapp just retired.

    either way , all these teams are going to have to prove it in 08

    minnesota may not even gel, no one is factoring in chemistry amongst teammates

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  • NinjaPirateFunk
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    Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan View Post
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    Our D-line sucks. That's what our D-line has proven for the last few years....suckage.
    i wouldn't say we suck. i wouldn't say we're good.

    because we haven't seen this unit perform this season. not one down. we should just wait before we write them off.

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  • Goatmaster
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    if crowder is really motivated he could be a force. moss still needs to put on some weight if we want him to be an everydown player (which im pretty sure we do want) with robertson in the mix we might have one dt spot temporarily solved but we'll have to keep rotating at the other one

    almost forgot, play thig game
    http://goallineblitz.com/game/signup.pl?ref=14742088

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  • Mat'hir Uth Gan
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    I'm not reading through 6 pages of posts, but this thread is epic fail.


    Our D-line sucks. That's what our D-line has proven for the last few years....suckage.

    To say we are miraculously better based on a trade for a player with degenerative knees and hope for 2nd year draft picks to have developed is massively puffing up our D-line potential.

    Every year top draft picks are busts. Jarvis Moss did not look special his first year, is he a bust or will be boom? Who knows. Tim Crowder looked solid. Dumervil is one dimensional. Marcus Thomas was bad.




    Anyway, D-line's that are better:

    1. NY Giants (Strahan, Tuck, Umenyiora, Kiwanuka, Robbins)
    2. New England (Warren, Wilfork, Seymour, Green)
    3. Baltimore (Pryce, Gregg, Ngata, Barnes)
    4. Houston (Williams, Johnson, Okoye, Weaver)
    5. Vikings (Edwards, Williams X2, Allen, Robison)
    6. Eagles (Cole, Patterson, Bunkley, Thomas, Laws)
    7. San Diego (Castillo, Olshansky, Williams)
    8. Seattle (Kerney, Bernard, Tapp, Tubbs, Mebane)
    9. Arizona (Smith, Dockett, Watson, Branch)
    10. Green Bay (Kampman, Pickett, Jenkins, KGB)
    11. Chicago (Ogunleye, Harris, Anderson, Brown)
    12. Indy (Mathis, Brock, Freeney, Pitcock, Johnson)
    13. Jacksonville (Spicer, Meier, Henderson, Hayward, Harvey, Groves)
    14. New Orleans (Grant, Young, Thomas, Ellis, Smith, McCray)
    15. Buffalo (Kelsay, Stroud, Williams, McCargo, Schobel)
    16. Cleveland (Williams, Rogers, Smith X2)
    17. St. Louis (Little, Glover, Carriker, Long, Hall)
    18. Tampa Bay (Adams, Hovan, Haye, White, Douglas, Moore)
    19. Tennessee (Kearse, Haynesworth, Vanden Bosch)
    20. Dallas (Spears, Ratliff, Johnson, Canty)
    21. San Francisco (Smith, Sopoaga, Franklin, Balmer)
    22. Pittsburgh (Smith, Hampton, Keisel)
    23. Carolina (Peppers, Lewis, Kemoeatu, Johnson, Brayton)


    And then I'd lump:

    Denver (Dumervil, Moss, Robertson, Crowder)
    Kansas City (Hali, Edwards, Boone, Dorsey)
    Detroit (Redding, White)
    Atlanta (Abraham, Anderson)
    Cincy (Odom, Peko, Geathers)
    Miami (Ferguson, Soliai, Holliday, Starks, Langford, Merling)
    NY Jets (Ellis, Jenkins, Coleman, Pouha)
    Oakland (Kelly, Burgess, Warren)


    All into the crapiest D-line area, with Denver coming out ahead of most of those teams.
    Washington (Griffin, Carter)

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