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    Thought this was a good off-season article...

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...pat&id=3422309

    It started with eight great football minds and seemingly a simple request.

    Rank the 10 best running backs in NFL history.

    By the time all was said and done, Don Shula, Marv Levy, Dan Reeves, Robert Smith, Jerry Richardson, Floyd Reese, Jack Bushofsky and Emmitt Thomas had thrown around nearly four dozen names, debated the merits of runners who had seemed flawless when they entered the Pro Football Hall of Fame and helped pare a list to include only the most elite of the elite.

    ...Jim Brown was the best running back ever.

    Barry Sanders, Walter Payton and Emmitt Smith were right behind him. Gale Sayers, LaDainian Tomlinson, Marshall Faulk, O.J. Simpson, Lenny Moore and Eric ****erson also made the list.

    "I came into the league in 1965, and that was Jim Brown's last year," said Reeves, who played for the Dallas Cowboys before going on to coach the Denver Broncos, New York Giants and Atlanta Falcons. "There hasn't been anyone quite like him since, and I don't know that there ever will be. He had the size to run over people and the speed and elusiveness to make them miss. Nobody has ever had that combination quite like him."

    "Everyone knows Jim Brown was great," said Richardson, who played receiver for the Baltimore Colts in 1959 and 1960. "But unless you saw it up close, I don't think you can truly appreciate the combination of power, speed and agility he possessed."

    At a position that players with all sorts of different styles have had enormous success, Brown is the prototype of all prototypes. That's why he was the relatively easy choice for No. 1. At 6-foot-2 and 232 pounds, Brown played for the Cleveland Browns from 1957 to 1965.

    Brown owned the NFL career rushing record with 12,312 yards when he suddenly walked away from the game to pursue a movie career. That record has been passed to Payton and now Emmitt Smith, but Brown's status has endured.

    "There are a lot of ways you can look at the numbers," said Bushofsky, who worked in scouting and personnel for Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, Carolina and Washington for four decades. "But I think when you're talking about the best ever, you have to boil it down to how many times they touched the ball, rushing and receiving, and how many times they scored. You can't argue with Jim Brown on that."

    In 118 career regular-season games, Brown scored 126 touchdowns (106 rushing, 20 receiving) while carrying 2,359 times and catching 262 passes. He scored once every 20.7 times he touched the ball, and he averaged 5.2 yards a carry and 104.3 rushing yards a game.

    "The only reason I'm not putting him No. 1 is because of his size," former Minnesota Vikings running back Robert Smith said. Smith rated Brown No. 2 behind Sanders. "He was running against defensive linemen who were the same size as him. That would be like a running back today running against 11 defensive backs. But that's not Jim Brown's fault."

    Balancing act

    Each panelist was asked to take into account the changes in the game. For example, Brown began his career when the NFL played a 12-game regular season. The league switched to a 14-game format in 1961 and to the current 16-game schedule in 1978.

    Each submitted a ballot and agreed to make his top choice public, though some asked that the order of the rest of their lists be kept private. Each also talked extensively about the running backs on his list and, in many cases, about the players left off his list.

    The ballots were calculated, but the result of the vote was used only as a guideline as ESPN.com assembled the final list. In some cases, less weight was given to votes from those who played with or coached a player, whereas more weight was given to impartial votes.

    When it came to statistics, panelists were asked to try to think in relative terms. Players such as Brown didn't have as many opportunities to assemble as gaudy statistics as Tomlinson, who is ranked No. 6 and is the only active player on the list.

    "To narrow it down to just 10 is nearly impossible," Reeves said. "I'm sitting here with a list of 40 or 50 guys, and you could make a legitimate case for every single one. You have to take in a lot of different factors and try to balance it all out."

    Balance was what ESPN.com sought most as it tried to put every candidate into perspective. Panelists such as Levy, 82, and Shula, Richardson and Bushofsky, who are in their 70s, were relied upon heavily to present the case for the running backs some of the younger panelists never saw play.

    Old-timers such as Red Grange, Marion Motley, Paul Hornung and Joe Perry received votes, but Brown and Moore (No. 9) were the only running backs who began their careers before 1965 to make the list.

    "A lot of people forget about Lenny Moore or don't even know about him," Bushofsky said. "But he could stand the test of time. He was basically Marshall Faulk before Marshall Faulk."

    Moore played for the Baltimore Colts from 1956 to 1967. He never came close to rushing for 1,000 yards in a season, but he was a combination halfback/flanker who produced 12,451 total yards and 113 touchdowns. Moore helped clear the way for running backs such as Faulk and Tomlinson to become huge parts of the passing game. Moore also played for, arguably, some of the best teams in history, and he helped his case by helping Johnny Unitas become one of the best quarterbacks ever.

    Playing on a team that was a big winner wasn't necessarily a requirement to make the list. Super Bowl titles might have helped Emmitt Smith's status. He's the all-time rushing leader (18,355 yards) and played on three Super Bowl championship teams with Dallas. Along with quarterback Troy Aikman and receiver Michael Irvin, Smith formed "The Triplets" and, no doubt, also was aided by an exceptional offensive line and strong defense.

    "I think production counts for a lot, and Emmitt always produced," Shula said. "He may not have been as flashy as some other guys, but he gave you results. He was a big part of the reason that team was so good."

    Conversely, Sanders, Sayers, Simpson and Eric ****erson made the list without playing for teams that won championships, and Payton's Chicago Bears didn't reach the Super Bowl until nearly the end of his career.

    "I don't want to take anything away from Emmitt at all," said Robert Smith, who ranked Emmitt Smith at No. 6. "But I would have liked to have seen Barry Sanders running with that team. When you factor in size and the team he was playing with, Barry was probably working with the least of anybody and he still got the most out of it."

    At 5-foot-8 and 203 pounds, Sanders was blessed with exceptional speed and cutting ability but was cursed because he landed with the Detroit Lions, who lost during much of his career. But Sanders did help the Lions win a playoff game in the 1991 season (the franchise's only postseason victory since 1957).

    Before the 1999 season, Sanders, who was closing in on Payton's all-time rushing record, stunned the football world by retiring. He later admitted his decision stemmed from frustration over Detroit's lack of success and concerns about the franchise's future.

    "I just wish that Barry Sanders hadn't retired when he did," said Thomas, who will be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in August. "He still was at the top of his game and could have gone on a long time."

    Sanders wasn't the only runner on the list whose career ended prematurely. Sayers entered the league in 1965, but two major knee injuries ended his career by 1971. No player on the list drew more varied opinions than Sayers. Levy split his No. 1 vote between Sayers and Payton while two other panelists left Sayers off their lists, saying his career wasn't long enough.

    "If Sayers didn't have the injuries, he would have been the best player in history," Levy said. "He was the smoothest, most unbelievable athlete ever."

    Bushofsky, who voted Sayers at No. 3, acknowledged that he's a fan of durability. "But I'll make an exception on this one," Bushofsky said. The guy averaged 5 yards a carry and almost 12 yards a catch. You can't leave him off."

    Plenty of other great running backs were left off the list.

    "I'm looking at the rest of my list and seeing guys like Curtis Martin, Thurman Thomas, Jim Taylor, Terrell Davis, Tiki Barber, Fred Taylor and Marcus Allen," Reeves said. "It's very hard to leave names like that off."

    All those names got strong consideration. So did Earl Campbell, Franco Harris, Tony Dorsett, Larry Csonka, John Riggins and Shaun Alexander. On the flip side, Simpson did make the list, despite his postcareer legal issues.

    Simpson, who became the first to break the 2,000-yard barrier in 1973, appeared on six of the eight ballots and was rated as high as No. 2.

    "People may want to forget it now," Reese said. "But for a time, O.J. was the face of the NFL."

    The faces have changed with time. From Brown's power to Payton's grace to Sanders' speed, the qualities of the best running backs are constantly evolving. These days, Tomlinson is the standard for running backs.

    Tomlinson, Alexander, Fred Taylor and Adrian Peterson were the only active running backs to receive votes from the panel. ...

    Tomlinson already has been in the league for seven years and has 10,650 rushing yards and 3,375 receiving yards and 129 touchdowns.

    "If Tomlinson keeps going the way he is, call me back in a few years," Shula said. "We might have to put him at the top of the list. If Peterson keeps playing like he did as a rookie, call me back in 10 years and we might have to redo the whole list."

  • #2
    Originally posted by Brongo View Post
    Tomlinson, Alexander, Fred Taylor and Adrian Peterson were the only active running backs to receive votes from the panel. ...
    How did Adrian Peterson get votes? He has played one year. This season he could fumble on every attempt, and retire afterwards.
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    • #3
      Seriously why would you try to give a rookie votes for top 10 of all time. Adrian Peterson is good but he's not at HoF status yet.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Brongo View Post
        Super Bowl titles might have helped Emmitt Smith's status. He's the all-time rushing leader (18,355 yards) and played on three Super Bowl championship teams with Dallas. Along with quarterback Troy Aikman and receiver Michael Irvin, Smith formed "The Triplets" and, no doubt, also was aided by an exceptional offensive line and strong defense.


        "I don't want to take anything away from Emmitt at all," said Robert Smith, who ranked Emmitt Smith at No. 6. "But I would have liked to have seen Barry Sanders running with that team.
        Emmitt Smith is way overrated. There's no questioning his durability, but he was only able to achieve his statistical success because of the line he ran behind. Having Aikman and "who me, push off?" Irvin didn't hurt his effort either.

        I remember being incredibly mad when he passed Payton's record. To have the ultimate team player get passed by the ultimate "me" player is just a travesty. I know, I know, personality doesn't have anything to do with who rushed for the most yards. I just can't wait for the day Emmitt gets bumped from the top spot.
        Originally posted by Broncoholic3233
        FF is awesome!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Flatlander Fan View Post
          Emmitt Smith is way overrated. There's no questioning his durability, but he was only able to achieve his statistical success because of the line he ran behind. Having Aikman and "who me, push off?" Irvin didn't hurt his effort either.

          I remember being incredibly mad when he passed Payton's record. To have the ultimate team player get passed by the ultimate "me" player is just a travesty. I know, I know, personality doesn't have anything to do with who rushed for the most yards. I just can't wait for the day Emmitt gets bumped from the top spot.
          How in the hell was Emmitt selfish?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
            How in the hell was Emmitt selfish?
            Ah. Let me clarify. Walter Payton was always about what made the team look the best. He also came across as humble. Emmitt, in my opinion, was (and still is) about what made HIM look the best. He also came across as extremely arrogant. As a player, there is no doubt he helped the Cowboys. He just always rubbed me the wrong way.

            I do have to say, though, that his comedy routine on the NFL network was priceless last year!
            Last edited by Flatlander Fan; 06-06-2008, 12:58 PM.
            Originally posted by Broncoholic3233
            FF is awesome!

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            • #7
              The one stat of Jim Brown's that put him as #1 no questions asked is never had a run for negative yrdg in his career.I mean are you kidding me?That alone puts him #1 and I would put Sanders and ****erson right behind him.****erson that high just on the fact that he steamrolled Bosworth on that goalline play that one time.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by utebroncofan View Post
                The one stat of Jim Brown's that put him as #1 no questions asked is never had a run for negative yrdg in his career.I mean are you kidding me?That alone puts him #1 and I would put Sanders and ****erson right behind him.****erson that high just on the fact that he steamrolled Bosworth on that goalline play that one time.
                Yeah he's that high because of one play not because he was 2nd all time leading rusher when he retired or that he was the fastest player of his time and was forced into early retirement from injuries.

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                • #9
                  "10 best running backs in NFL history - and Selvin Young isn't on it?"



                  It must be east coast media bias

                  That was a great line.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by PowderAddict View Post
                    "10 best running backs in NFL history - and Selvin Young isn't on it?"



                    It must be east coast media bias

                    That was a great line.
                    Let's give it 10 years....



















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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Brongo View Post
                      Thought this was a good off-season article...

                      http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...pat&id=3422309

                      It started with eight great football minds and seemingly a simple request.

                      Rank the 10 best running backs in NFL history.

                      By the time all was said and done, Don Shula, Marv Levy, Dan Reeves, Robert Smith, Jerry Richardson, Floyd Reese, Jack Bushofsky and Emmitt Thomas had thrown around nearly four dozen names, debated the merits of runners who had seemed flawless when they entered the Pro Football Hall of Fame and helped pare a list to include only the most elite of the elite.

                      ...Jim Brown was the best running back ever.

                      Barry Sanders, Walter Payton and Emmitt Smith were right behind him. Gale Sayers, LaDainian Tomlinson, Marshall Faulk, O.J. Simpson, Lenny Moore and Eric ****erson also made the list.

                      "I came into the league in 1965, and that was Jim Brown's last year," said Reeves, who played for the Dallas Cowboys before going on to coach the Denver Broncos, New York Giants and Atlanta Falcons. "There hasn't been anyone quite like him since, and I don't know that there ever will be. He had the size to run over people and the speed and elusiveness to make them miss. Nobody has ever had that combination quite like him."

                      "Everyone knows Jim Brown was great," said Richardson, who played receiver for the Baltimore Colts in 1959 and 1960. "But unless you saw it up close, I don't think you can truly appreciate the combination of power, speed and agility he possessed."

                      At a position that players with all sorts of different styles have had enormous success, Brown is the prototype of all prototypes. That's why he was the relatively easy choice for No. 1. At 6-foot-2 and 232 pounds, Brown played for the Cleveland Browns from 1957 to 1965.

                      Brown owned the NFL career rushing record with 12,312 yards when he suddenly walked away from the game to pursue a movie career. That record has been passed to Payton and now Emmitt Smith, but Brown's status has endured.

                      "There are a lot of ways you can look at the numbers," said Bushofsky, who worked in scouting and personnel for Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, Carolina and Washington for four decades. "But I think when you're talking about the best ever, you have to boil it down to how many times they touched the ball, rushing and receiving, and how many times they scored. You can't argue with Jim Brown on that."

                      In 118 career regular-season games, Brown scored 126 touchdowns (106 rushing, 20 receiving) while carrying 2,359 times and catching 262 passes. He scored once every 20.7 times he touched the ball, and he averaged 5.2 yards a carry and 104.3 rushing yards a game.

                      "The only reason I'm not putting him No. 1 is because of his size," former Minnesota Vikings running back Robert Smith said. Smith rated Brown No. 2 behind Sanders. "He was running against defensive linemen who were the same size as him. That would be like a running back today running against 11 defensive backs. But that's not Jim Brown's fault."

                      Balancing act

                      Each panelist was asked to take into account the changes in the game. For example, Brown began his career when the NFL played a 12-game regular season. The league switched to a 14-game format in 1961 and to the current 16-game schedule in 1978.

                      Each submitted a ballot and agreed to make his top choice public, though some asked that the order of the rest of their lists be kept private. Each also talked extensively about the running backs on his list and, in many cases, about the players left off his list.

                      The ballots were calculated, but the result of the vote was used only as a guideline as ESPN.com assembled the final list. In some cases, less weight was given to votes from those who played with or coached a player, whereas more weight was given to impartial votes.

                      When it came to statistics, panelists were asked to try to think in relative terms. Players such as Brown didn't have as many opportunities to assemble as gaudy statistics as Tomlinson, who is ranked No. 6 and is the only active player on the list.

                      "To narrow it down to just 10 is nearly impossible," Reeves said. "I'm sitting here with a list of 40 or 50 guys, and you could make a legitimate case for every single one. You have to take in a lot of different factors and try to balance it all out."

                      Balance was what ESPN.com sought most as it tried to put every candidate into perspective. Panelists such as Levy, 82, and Shula, Richardson and Bushofsky, who are in their 70s, were relied upon heavily to present the case for the running backs some of the younger panelists never saw play.

                      Old-timers such as Red Grange, Marion Motley, Paul Hornung and Joe Perry received votes, but Brown and Moore (No. 9) were the only running backs who began their careers before 1965 to make the list.

                      "A lot of people forget about Lenny Moore or don't even know about him," Bushofsky said. "But he could stand the test of time. He was basically Marshall Faulk before Marshall Faulk."

                      Moore played for the Baltimore Colts from 1956 to 1967. He never came close to rushing for 1,000 yards in a season, but he was a combination halfback/flanker who produced 12,451 total yards and 113 touchdowns. Moore helped clear the way for running backs such as Faulk and Tomlinson to become huge parts of the passing game. Moore also played for, arguably, some of the best teams in history, and he helped his case by helping Johnny Unitas become one of the best quarterbacks ever.

                      Playing on a team that was a big winner wasn't necessarily a requirement to make the list. Super Bowl titles might have helped Emmitt Smith's status. He's the all-time rushing leader (18,355 yards) and played on three Super Bowl championship teams with Dallas. Along with quarterback Troy Aikman and receiver Michael Irvin, Smith formed "The Triplets" and, no doubt, also was aided by an exceptional offensive line and strong defense.

                      "I think production counts for a lot, and Emmitt always produced," Shula said. "He may not have been as flashy as some other guys, but he gave you results. He was a big part of the reason that team was so good."

                      Conversely, Sanders, Sayers, Simpson and Eric ****erson made the list without playing for teams that won championships, and Payton's Chicago Bears didn't reach the Super Bowl until nearly the end of his career.

                      "I don't want to take anything away from Emmitt at all," said Robert Smith, who ranked Emmitt Smith at No. 6. "But I would have liked to have seen Barry Sanders running with that team. When you factor in size and the team he was playing with, Barry was probably working with the least of anybody and he still got the most out of it."

                      At 5-foot-8 and 203 pounds, Sanders was blessed with exceptional speed and cutting ability but was cursed because he landed with the Detroit Lions, who lost during much of his career. But Sanders did help the Lions win a playoff game in the 1991 season (the franchise's only postseason victory since 1957).

                      Before the 1999 season, Sanders, who was closing in on Payton's all-time rushing record, stunned the football world by retiring. He later admitted his decision stemmed from frustration over Detroit's lack of success and concerns about the franchise's future.

                      "I just wish that Barry Sanders hadn't retired when he did," said Thomas, who will be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in August. "He still was at the top of his game and could have gone on a long time."

                      Sanders wasn't the only runner on the list whose career ended prematurely. Sayers entered the league in 1965, but two major knee injuries ended his career by 1971. No player on the list drew more varied opinions than Sayers. Levy split his No. 1 vote between Sayers and Payton while two other panelists left Sayers off their lists, saying his career wasn't long enough.

                      "If Sayers didn't have the injuries, he would have been the best player in history," Levy said. "He was the smoothest, most unbelievable athlete ever."

                      Bushofsky, who voted Sayers at No. 3, acknowledged that he's a fan of durability. "But I'll make an exception on this one," Bushofsky said. The guy averaged 5 yards a carry and almost 12 yards a catch. You can't leave him off."

                      Plenty of other great running backs were left off the list.

                      "I'm looking at the rest of my list and seeing guys like Curtis Martin, Thurman Thomas, Jim Taylor, Terrell Davis, Tiki Barber, Fred Taylor and Marcus Allen," Reeves said. "It's very hard to leave names like that off."

                      All those names got strong consideration. So did Earl Campbell, Franco Harris, Tony Dorsett, Larry Csonka, John Riggins and Shaun Alexander. On the flip side, Simpson did make the list, despite his postcareer legal issues.

                      Simpson, who became the first to break the 2,000-yard barrier in 1973, appeared on six of the eight ballots and was rated as high as No. 2.

                      "People may want to forget it now," Reese said. "But for a time, O.J. was the face of the NFL."

                      The faces have changed with time. From Brown's power to Payton's grace to Sanders' speed, the qualities of the best running backs are constantly evolving. These days, Tomlinson is the standard for running backs.

                      Tomlinson, Alexander, Fred Taylor and Adrian Peterson were the only active running backs to receive votes from the panel. ...

                      Tomlinson already has been in the league for seven years and has 10,650 rushing yards and 3,375 receiving yards and 129 touchdowns.

                      "If Tomlinson keeps going the way he is, call me back in a few years," Shula said. "We might have to put him at the top of the list. If Peterson keeps playing like he did as a rookie, call me back in 10 years and we might have to redo the whole list."
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                      • #12
                        Jim Brown was pretty awesome, but my all time favorite is Barry Sanders. That guy did some amazing things with a football in his hands.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
                          Yeah he's that high because of one play not because he was 2nd all time leading rusher when he retired or that he was the fastest player of his time and was forced into early retirement from injuries.
                          Didnt mean because it was because of that 1 stat!My point was that that is a pretty impressive stat to accomplish through a entire career.Sort of like you going through out the day not being a smart a** on this board.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by utebroncofan View Post
                            Didnt mean because it was because of that 1 stat!My point was that that is a pretty impressive stat to accomplish through a entire career.Sort of like you going through out the day not being a smart a** on this board.
                            I wasn't even talking about the never rushing for negative yards because I don't believe that. I was talking about what you said about him steamrolling Bosworth. Yeah and I'm the smart a**

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by utebroncofan View Post
                              The one stat of Jim Brown's that put him as #1 no questions asked is never had a run for negative yrdg in his career.I mean are you kidding me?That alone puts him #1 and I would put Sanders and ****erson right behind him.****erson that high just on the fact that he steamrolled Bosworth on that goalline play that one time.
                              I think you're wrong on two accounts:

                              First, Jim Brown did have runs for negative yardage. I believe the year he ran for 996 (which broke his streak of 1000 yard games) he was actually OVER 1000 yards, then on the last play of the season, lost 5 yards on a sweep, keeping him below 1000 yards. And, I'd bet he had other carries for negative yardage.

                              Second, it wasn't D i c k erson that ran over Bosworth, it was Bo Jackson.

                              Think about Jim Brown is his yarage numbers...The key is, seasons were only 12 games back in his day, remember ONLY 12 GAMES per season when you look at his stats:

                              942
                              1527
                              1329
                              1257
                              1408
                              996
                              1863
                              1446
                              1544

                              12 games per season!!!

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