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  • Flatlander Fan
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    Originally posted by // / yardo View Post
    With a better o-line we'll see a lot more plays develop down field. Last year it seemed as though they were giving Cutler quicker and easier reads just to simply get rid of the ball.
    Here's the gem of this thread. Nice point yardo. Deep plays downfield require good QB protection. Unless Cutler gets solid protection, it won't matter how fast anyone is (or is not).

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  • broncos1997
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    Originally posted by hambone13 View Post
    I guess I was under the impression a 1 cut runner is a power type? If you're going between the tackles on you better have some power.
    yeah but i always considered him the eddie george, marion barber. you know just hand it off and they plow right in, no cuts or nothing.

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  • hambone13
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    Define 1 Cut Runner then?

    Originally posted by broncos1997 View Post
    he is? i never watched him play but i kinda just assumed he was the power back, just dive into the pile type back. thats good to here then
    I guess I was under the impression a 1 cut runner is a power type? If you're going between the tackles on you better have some power.

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  • broncos1997
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    Originally posted by B4Bronco6 View Post
    Torain as well.
    he is? i never watched him play but i kinda just assumed he was the power back, just dive into the pile type back. thats good to here then

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  • Peerless
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    Originally posted by broncos1997 View Post
    i think mike bell is the only one cut type back we've got right now.
    Torain as well.

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  • broncos1997
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    Originally posted by hambone13 View Post
    The rest of the leagues scouts didn't think he was underrated. I believe he was a product of the Broncos run system just like many others. The system was broken last year not running backs, imo.
    the system has been broken for two years now. and yeah i think that mike bell was a product of the system. but he was really good product of the system, if you get what im saying. basically, i think that out of the running backs that have come through here mike bell fits our system the best. hes the one cut type and like i said, hes got great vision and patience, which is critical in finding the hole and the cutback lane. hes probably far from the most talented back right now, but young kinda strikes me as the bounce it to the outside type back and torain, he just likes to bulldoze people. i think mike bell is the only one cut type back we've got right now.

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  • hambone13
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    Underrated?

    Originally posted by broncos1997 View Post
    still though, travis henry was our leading TD scorer and what did he have like 3-4 tds? that was one of the reasons we were so bad in the redzone. we didn't have a dominanatn runner there and all our tds came from a 20 yard run by selvin here, a long run by hall there, we couldn't get it done.

    and i think mike bell is underrated because he isn't incredibly powerful, and he isn't incredibly fast. i don't know theres just something extra about him when he plays though, hes probably one of the guys on our team that has the best work ethic and it seems to me like hes the type of runner whos got great vision, football intellegence, and patience. plus hes pretty dang good at jumping
    The rest of the leagues scouts didn't think he was underrated. I believe he was a product of the Broncos run system just like many others. The system was broken last year not running backs, imo.

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  • broncos1997
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    Originally posted by hambone13 View Post
    The only reason we weren't better in the run last year is because of the injuries on the O-Line. It wasn't a M. Bell factor. I'd be happy not to find our next running back at the Aurora Rec. Center touch football league. The guy isn't that talented. Just a decent generalist....who runs like he's competing with talent....Hard.
    still though, travis henry was our leading TD scorer and what did he have like 3-4 tds? that was one of the reasons we were so bad in the redzone. we didn't have a dominanatn runner there and all our tds came from a 20 yard run by selvin here, a long run by hall there, we couldn't get it done.

    and i think mike bell is underrated because he isn't incredibly powerful, and he isn't incredibly fast. i don't know theres just something extra about him when he plays though, hes probably one of the guys on our team that has the best work ethic and it seems to me like hes the type of runner whos got great vision, football intellegence, and patience. plus hes pretty dang good at jumping

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  • beastlyskronk
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    The difference between a 4.5 runner and a 4.2 runner is only about 4 yards at 40 yards. Speed is overrated. Usually WRs have to slow down to wait on the ball and the CB will catch up so speed doesn't really matter all that much.

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  • hambone13
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    O-Line

    Originally posted by broncos1997 View Post
    actually i think that we had a better running game the year before, back with mike bell and tatum bell. we were still in the top 10 in rushing yards i believe, and we had 2-3 more touchdowns. plus, we also had a great redzone guy in mike bell. maybe we should give him another shot
    The only reason we weren't better in the run last year is because of the injuries on the O-Line. It wasn't a M. Bell factor. I'd be happy not to find our next running back at the Aurora Rec. Center touch football league. The guy isn't that talented. Just a decent generalist....who runs like he's competing with talent....Hard.

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  • broncos1997
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    Originally posted by rogue719 View Post
    And I agree with you, if we can get the running game back again, it opens up the passing game. We didn't have a strong running game last year, despite the fact that Selvin Young averaged over 5 yards per carry. It was still better than the year before, but we needed that powerful running game to set up everything else.
    actually i think that we had a better running game the year before, back with mike bell and tatum bell. we were still in the top 10 in rushing yards i believe, and we had 2-3 more touchdowns. plus, we also had a great redzone guy in mike bell. maybe we should give him another shot

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  • Al Wilson 4 Mayor
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    Originally posted by Kaylore View Post
    You're putting too much emphasis on 40 times. Our guys play faster than their 40 time except for Royal, who plays as fast as he runs in shorts.
    You have a good point. Alot of guys work on their technique in the 40 yard dash before the combine. Royal said he never did that, he just went and ran, and still ran a 4.39!!! The dude has great game speed.

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  • rogue719
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    Originally posted by bjohnson1969 View Post
    Earlier in this thread a comment was made about Davis's speed. Terrell did not have great 40 yd dash numbers but what he did do was hit the whole quickly and then out run the defenders, that include corners. Davis did this on a consistent basis. So, I would think Davis did have speed with the pads on. As far as the receivers we have now, Marshall is special, a TO type pf player, Jackson & Colbert can only be measured when the season starts and they are in a Broncos uniform, then we will see how well their speed translates to our offense, Stokely does have game speed and super quick. Our passing game will not only be successful if we protect Cutler but also dependent on our running game. Smith nor Mc Caffery to me displayed game speed but rather ran great routes and benefitedfrom a powerful running game, Elway, and the play action and bootlegs that was set up by the running game. Teams stached the box to stop the run which allowed Shanny to get creative. Game speed and overall speeed is important to the position of WR but is not the only variable to measure the effectiveness of a good WR.
    But more than that, TD had great vision and awareness. He could run the stretch play and find the hole, but once through it he could clearly find the cutback lane, and that's where he made the big runs.

    And I agree with you, if we can get the running game back again, it opens up the passing game. We didn't have a strong running game last year, despite the fact that Selvin Young averaged over 5 yards per carry. It was still better than the year before, but we needed that powerful running game to set up everything else.

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  • Kaylore
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    You're putting too much emphasis on 40 times. Our guys play faster than their 40 time except for Royal, who plays as fast as he runs in shorts.

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  • bjohnson1969
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    Earlier in this thread a comment was made about Davis's speed. Terrell did not have great 40 yd dash numbers but what he did do was hit the whole quickly and then out run the defenders, that include corners. Davis did this on a consistent basis. So, I would think Davis did have speed with the pads on. As far as the receivers we have now, Marshall is special, a TO type pf player, Jackson & Colbert can only be measured when the season starts and they are in a Broncos uniform, then we will see how well their speed translates to our offense, Stokely does have game speed and super quick. Our passing game will not only be successful if we protect Cutler but also dependent on our running game. Smith nor Mc Caffery to me displayed game speed but rather ran great routes and benefitedfrom a powerful running game, Elway, and the play action and bootlegs that was set up by the running game. Teams stached the box to stop the run which allowed Shanny to get creative. Game speed and overall speeed is important to the position of WR but is not the only variable to measure the effectiveness of a good WR.

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