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  • BroncosRockdaRockies
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    I think these guys are productive i just think they arent getting a rythym for a lack of carries. JMO

    http://replay-re-cutter.nfl.com/clip...6F794AE48FF2E3

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  • Lomax
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    Originally posted by Ravage!!! View Post
    The pass has always set up the run....
    Disagree. When you run I formation (which we have done with regularity), you are dictating "run" to the defense. When you run PA bootlegs (which we're pretty much known for), you are setting up the pass with the run. Without a doubt, the Broncos under Mike Shanahan is traditionally a run-first team. That's not to say that we're not balanced, but the bootlegs and PA rollouts that we're known for just don't work without first establishing the run.

    Up until recently the spread formations were really only a wrinkle. Now it seems to be our bread and butter. The problem with pass-first as a philosophy is that you pressure the defense with short possessions, you can't control the clock, and you struggle to protect the QB. If you can score on most of your possessions and the D can do its part, you can be okay. But if you face a slugfest, your QB will get hit a lot and your D will be sucking wind unless you can win games on the ground.

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  • #28
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    Well Selvin can forget about 2000 yards. I would like to see him get more carries. Maybe at Hall's expense, who I do like, but Young has more breakaway potential.

    Pittman is money on the goal line or 3rd and short. I was skeptical when we signed him, but I'm impressed so far.

    And what about those handoffs to B.Marsh? Those never get as many yards as his shortest catches.

    "Unremarkable" is how I would describe the running attack. Maybe Shanahan just wants to see if any of these guys are The Guy.

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  • CanDB
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    I continue to describe our running game as ordinary. The YPC are good! Pittman has scored some TDs down where it counts. And the guys are playing hard. But so far, this group do not look like playoff material. Like most here, I am eagerly awaiting the return of Torain. He may be the guy that takes it to another level.

    When I think of playoff contender running game, I think of teams that can muster a few 1st downs in a row, when you are into the second half, and the game is in the balance, or you want to put the last nail in the coffin. I think of teams that shove it down your throat, when you need to make a statement, or when the weather dictates that you have to run that day.

    So right now we are pass oriented, as we definitely have the weapons for that style, and we run to complement the amazing passing attack. But if forced to go the other way (for various reasons), I just don't feel we can. Again, I'm a John Riggins fan from way back, and that's not a fair comparison right now (based on our strategy and personnel)....so pardon my personal preferences. And naturally I was a TD fan, and I do see the possibility of us getting back to that type of offence - great QB, solid Oline, excellent receivers....just missing one ingredient....maybe it's Torain.

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  • Peerless
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    I'm worried about Torain's ability to stay healthy.

    Not to knock him too much, but he hasn't been healthy free throughout college, and now in his young years in the NFL.


    Another thing that "knocks" him is that he really does run too upright for the type of runner he is.

    He's a bruiser, up the gut type of back... and the taller he runs, the greater chance of a huge hit and injury on him.

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  • Broncos724
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    I wouldn't say our running game is terrible, but it does need to get better. In games where our passing attack is limited, like against Tampa, it's very important for us to be able to gut it out with the run. Unfortunately we can't do that right now, and I think it's mostly due to the backs we have. Let's face it, Selvin Young and Andre Hall are nothing more than change-of-pace runners. I had hoped that one of them would emerge by this point but they haven't. However there is Ryan Torain, and it will be great if he can take the starter's role and be fresh for the tough months of November and December, when running the ball becomes more important in inclement weather.

    From what was coming out of training camp leads me to believe that Torain can be the man, but only when healthy. Unfortunately that qualifier is a big one. If Torain can stay healthy then I would love a combo of him and Michael Pittman (who is arguably our current best RB), with the occasional dose of Young and Hall between the 20's. If we are able to run like I think we could with Torain then our offense could add a new dimension that would only make things easier for Cutler and the passing game.

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  • Peerless
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    The running game is in my opinion, a type of "fools gold" for this team this year.

    Yeah yeah, we are 10th in the league in yards per game...

    Our running backs our averaging good yards per carry...


    But the thing that fails, just like usual... is the time during the game when we need to get that 3 yards, we don't execute.

    Not taking anything away from Michael Pittman, because he has been doing a very good job in short yard situations. But with Young and Hall, they just don't have that push that we need in a desperate and critical situation.

    I'm really hoping Torain is as hyped as Shanahan has been saying... because as we get closer to winter, and the weather conditions get worse, teams are going to NEED to run the ball to win.

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  • Disturbed One
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    When you only run the ball about an avg of 22 times a game by your running backs and you are dividing it up between 3 backs your not going to have good running game stat wise for these backs. But over all the running game doesn't look so bad. Example Young 10 carries 40 yards 1 TD, Hall 9 carries 36 yards, and Pittman 6 carries 25 yards and 1 TD. It doesn't look very impressive but when you add it up 25 carries 101 yards and 2 TDs isn't so bad. I still prefer the having one main back and maybe a 3rd down back, makes it a little easier to pick my Fantasy team players each week.

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  • Ravage!!!
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    The pass has always set up the run....

    But I think that we are seeing a LOT more 3rd and short.. and Goal line... success then the last couple of years. So Its hard to say that our RBs and OL isn't doing the job.

    Most here were YELLING and screaming.. (crying) about our 'small' OL and whining about how we get no push and can never score from the goal-line. Saying we never got any push to get the short yardage first downs. Do we see that problem now??? No, we don't. We've had great success on short yardage needs and Pittman is scoring well on the goalline downs.

    We dont have any super stars in teh Running game, thats for sure. But the mixture of backs we have is working well, not great, but well.

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  • jay who ?
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    after the bye week we will definately see more from the running game and its only because d's will be catching up to some of shannys passing schemes and we'll be in great shape with all our backs having had a pretty light workload in the 1st half of the season while guys like jones drew and lt and brown getting worn down...we'll have "fresh horses" to finish the reg season and PLAY OFFS!
    go BRONCS!

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  • BroncoMJ
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    I always thought the Broncos passed to set up the run. I think we still do , even with Cutler back there.if we get a good mix ofpass/run well, Cutler will be unstoppable(with the help of marshall and the boys)

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  • HurricaneDovs
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    I wouldnt say our running game is terrible. Is it as good or as recognized as it was during the "we could put a 70 year old chained convict with a wooden pegleg in there and he'll rush for 1000 yards" years? No. But it still kind of produces.

    Honestly I grew really tired with the above mentioned mentality. Because in my most humble of opinions that has kept us from trying to get a good solid every down, every play back. Weve been doing this RB by committee thing for a while now and im personally sick of it. Think back to when we had 1000 yard rushers. We had one guy. One dude carrying the rock for 90% of the running plays. TD, Portis, Anderson, and even Gary.

    We'd put in other guys but mostly we just had one solid back to carry the load for us. IMO we need to find another back that can do that, and go back to that gameplan.

    But thats just my opinion and im not the coach. Just a fan.
    Last edited by HurricaneDovs; 10-07-2008, 05:42 PM.

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  • Lomax
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    The issue is that we're not gameplanning around the running game right now. We are not running to set up the pass, but vice-versa. This could be because Mike and Co. still question Selvin's durability and consider all of our options to be a temporary stopgap. When we throw on a 2nd and 3 and again on a 3rd and 3, that's exactly what it says to me. I'd like to see us pound the rock, and I think Shanahan would too, so there must be a legit reason why we're not doing it.

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  • Max Power
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    Originally posted by hellrazor881 View Post
    it obviously isn't our o-line. they only gave 2 sacks in five games. so its got to be our backs. ryan torian was awesome during camp but he's out and selvin isn't cutting the mustard. what do we do?
    The running game is not terrible, it's just not being as heavily relied on as in years past. Selvin is averaging 5.7 yards a carry, so he IS "cutting the mustard". And Torain might be back in a couple of weeks or so, but if not, our runnning game will be fine without him, he would just make it even better.

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  • BroncoMJ
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    I disagree.hall , young, pittman, hillis have all been productive.now we get torian back.I dont see how its a problem keeping fresh legs on the field even if everyone isnt walter out there.and the run game can only get better with experience, give em some games to learn up on how the nfl plays..

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