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    To Those who keep coming up with excuses for our defense to be playing as bad as we are right now (even compared to our d last year that Bait was fired/demoted as a result of). why can't you just see it the way it is, if you're looking for excuses (lose some key players, would have been better taken away those x turnovers by the offense... no personnel to run scheme.. whatever), guess what everyone has an excuse for being bad if you're looking hard enough for 1... The fact of the mater is , our d rank at the bottom, our defense suck, everyone knows it around the league (ask the chief, we made them look like a finely tuned scoring machine). If we don't make huge improvement i don't see slowik will be around next year , shanahan probably doesn't wanna make a change right now becuase he doesn't want to mess up our chance of getting to the play off this year. whatever excuse you give slowik, it's his job to over come those excuses ... look around the league , any defense cordinator has to over come something.. theres' no perfect team to coach.

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    Well said. Every team encounters injuries, good offenses and poor personnel. It's the job of the DC to make the best out of what he has. If the Broncos Defense is playing as good as they are capable, the DC is doing a good job. If the Defense is under performing, the DC needs to make personnel and scheme adjustments or be replaced by someone who can.

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    • #3
      The scheme is it. With Moss and Bailey you have the outside LB's for the 3-4. Insert Thomas, Crowder and Eukuban on the line. You can switch out Moss or Bailey with Elvis. We have to get out of the 4-3 and quick.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by T8KNOVR View Post
        The scheme is it. With Moss and Bailey you have the outside LB's for the 3-4. Insert Thomas, Crowder and Eukuban on the line. You can switch out Moss or Bailey with Elvis. We have to get out of the 4-3 and quick.
        Great idea, lets just hope our tiny lineman can hold up! Yes, because you know the dline has to have a whole bunch of cloggers to perform a 3-4.

        If you havent already seen our success this season using a 3-4 without the correct personel, its not pretty.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tgn View Post
          To Those who keep coming up with excuses for our defense to be playing as bad as we are right now (even compared to our d last year that Bait was fired/demoted as a result of). why can't you just see it the way it is, if you're looking for excuses (lose some key players, would have been better taken away those x turnovers by the offense... no personnel to run scheme.. whatever), guess what everyone has an excuse for being bad if you're looking hard enough for 1... The fact of the mater is , our d rank at the bottom, our defense suck, everyone knows it around the league (ask the chief, we made them look like a finely tuned scoring machine). If we don't make huge improvement i don't see slowik will be around next year , shanahan probably doesn't wanna make a change right now becuase he doesn't want to mess up our chance of getting to the play off this year. whatever excuse you give slowik, it's his job to over come those excuses ... look around the league , any defense cordinator has to over come something.. theres' no perfect team to coach.
          Our defense is getting better. It is time for the offense to stop turning the football over. That is killing us.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by 20yardline View Post
            Our defense is getting better. It is time for the offense to stop turning the football over. That is killing us.
            Pretty much sums it up.

            Without one of the Williams boys in MN or a true NT we will not be a consistent or good 3-4. What about Robertson? Another post above wants Thomas, Ekuban, and Crowder. What about Robertson who we traded for and will be paying? Also, Crowder is virtually a rook.

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            • #7
              If we had a pass rush, we would be top of the interception category on defense. Our speed is amazing, other than Mcree and manual, and if we just got a pass rush, even a decent one, imagine the speed we would have to jump all over a ball thrown prematurely due to a pass rush? We would have one of the best defenses in the league if we switched out defensive linemen is a team like titans. DOOM is good, but hes not a "do it all yourself" guy..If we had 3 other dlinemen that were good, he would have a monster year. Pass rush=bad decision by the quarterback. No pass rush= all day to throw, its just like playing "catch". Our speed at linebacker means we're undersized, so you need a big stud Dline to accompany the linebackers so the speed can take effect. Our linebackers and 2 starting corners have the ability to cover any team for 5 seconds better than anyone, but its impossible to chase receivers for longer than that, and we have to do that every play. And dont hate on bly, hes great, we would worse off without him. Hes a very solid, not great, but solid in all areas relating to coverage.

              Our first draft pick needs to be a safety, our second needs to be the best standout defensive lineman we can get. Our third should be another D lineman, and our fourth should be a cornerback...high draft picks mean nothing, we can pick up a perfectly good corner in the 4th..after all, we got Jack who will develop nicely over the off season IMO and bly and champ have a few good years left in them. 5 great years if we take care of them.

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              • #8
                I totally agree the 09 Draft needs to focus on the D, specifically a Safety and a STUD DL.
                If Denver had an average Defense they'd be almost unstoppable with the weapons on the other side of the ball.
                I think part of the problem the O is having is they are under pressure to score every time they have the ball because they know our D cant stop anybody.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by 20yardline View Post
                  Our defense is getting better. It is time for the offense to stop turning the football over. That is killing us.
                  I totally agree with this.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by CutlerEra06 View Post
                    If we had a pass rush, we would be top of the interception category on defense. Our speed is amazing, other than Mcree and manual, and if we just got a pass rush, even a decent one, imagine the speed we would have to jump all over a ball thrown prematurely due to a pass rush? We would have one of the best defenses in the league if we switched out defensive linemen is a team like titans. DOOM is good, but hes not a "do it all yourself" guy..If we had 3 other dlinemen that were good, he would have a monster year. Pass rush=bad decision by the quarterback. No pass rush= all day to throw, its just like playing "catch". Our speed at linebacker means we're undersized, so you need a big stud Dline to accompany the linebackers so the speed can take effect. Our linebackers and 2 starting corners have the ability to cover any team for 5 seconds better than anyone, but its impossible to chase receivers for longer than that, and we have to do that every play. And dont hate on bly, hes great, we would worse off without him. Hes a very solid, not great, but solid in all areas relating to coverage.

                    Our first draft pick needs to be a safety, our second needs to be the best standout defensive lineman we can get. Our third should be another D lineman, and our fourth should be a cornerback...high draft picks mean nothing, we can pick up a perfectly good corner in the 4th..after all, we got Jack who will develop nicely over the off season IMO and bly and champ have a few good years left in them. 5 great years if we take care of them.
                    what about a middle linebacker

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CutlerEra06 View Post
                      If we had a pass rush, we would be top of the interception category on defense.
                      This is totally untrue. Our DBs can't make INTs, just face it. The lack of pass rush makes things worse, but even when the QB is pressured he manages to beat our coverage. You should watch the other teams and how their secondary works. How many times has Cutler been sacked? He has plenty of time to throw right? And even so he already threw 5 INT, I think. If pass rush is what brings INTs, exclusively, Cutler should have around 0 INTs.

                      Other teams make INTs even when pass rush fails because their safeties are fast and agile, and their CBs don't play loose coverage. Not to mention the work of their LBs in coverage.
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                      • #12
                        Did anyone see what happened when we blitzed Garrard?

                        He didn't have all day to sit back in the pocket and pick us apart.

                        I understand that I am not a DC. But it seems like when we don't blitz QB's (Brees and Garrard) picked us apart.

                        Let's send a LB every once and awhile and see what happens, it can't be any worse than having no pressure on the QB. Even if we do give up a big play by blitzing, it gives us that more of a chance to make a sack or hurry the QB to make a bad decision for a pick.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Roddoliver View Post
                          This is totally untrue. Our DBs can't make INTs, just face it. The lack of pass rush makes things worse, but even when the QB is pressured he manages to beat our coverage. You should watch the other teams and how their secondary works. How many times has Cutler been sacked? He has plenty of time to throw right? And even so he already threw 5 INT, I think. If pass rush is what brings INTs, exclusively, Cutler should have around 0 INTs.

                          Other teams make INTs even when pass rush fails because their safeties are fast and agile, and their CBs don't play loose coverage. Not to mention the work of their LBs in coverage.
                          Theres no denying that our oline has been great this year. Cutler has thrown picks when trying to force it to Marshall.

                          Our pass rush has alot to do with our secondary play. We pressure the qb, the secondary can make plays.

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                          • #14
                            losing Al Wilson was a huge loss before 07...a top run defense becomes a bottom...and then losing Lynch,who prevented alot of TD runs
                            Gerard Warren also being a big loss
                            i kind of saw it comin after the 07 offseason,and losing Lynch wasnt gonna help

                            we need some changes..its great our offense is good enough to win games when we give up 38,32 points

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 20yardline View Post
                              Our defense is getting better. It is time for the offense to stop turning the football over. That is killing us.
                              Amen! Yeah you don't see all these Posters responding to or explaining why we have 8 turnovers in 3 games? When are you going to realize the Defense can't stay on the Field 39 mins of a 60 min game? Offense needs to learn how to control the clock better!

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