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  • Artamentous
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    ”If he makes the calls, gets the players, he’ll be a success; if he doesn’t, he won’t be a general manager.”


    Does anyone else HATE peopel who talk like this? Some other examples of statements in this mold.

    "If they score more points they'll win.. if not.. well they'll lose."

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  • Ch1ggs
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    Herock traded Favre, right?

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  • Letswinplz77
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    Originally posted by silkamilkamonic View Post
    Shanahan had a hand, but instead of being the driving force of opinion, he's listening to the Goodman's. Jim Goodman made the decision to trade a 3rd round pick to move up 3 spots and grab a player most everyone thought would be there after the Broncos drafted.

    It's not the drafting of guys that didn't work out that hurts, it's the repeated constancy of not getting good players on defense. The ratio of draft busts to guys that have panned out leans heavily towards a negative number.
    I'm with you on the talent level of the defense. Honestly, there isn't one player, Champ included, that would break my heart if they weren't Broncos.

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  • draco193
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    Originally posted by silkamilkamonic View Post
    I would be curious to know where the talent lies. Our best dlinemen was Marcus Thomas, and there are a lot of teams around the NFL that he wouldn't even crack a rotation with. Our DE's are terrible, Dumervil is a gifted pass rusher but has proven over and over he can't stop the run. Our LB core was average when they played their best. Safeties? garbage.

    The only position I felt we were even remotely talented was at CB, and you are right about the scheme being terrible in making them irrelevant by lining up 8 yards off every time.
    I think that DJ is a talented player. And that Spencer Larsen is also a guy that played with some talent. I thought Winborn was a solid starter, despite some blown assignments. Barrett played well in limited time, especially in the second KC game.

    In comparison to 05, our D line probably was just about as talented, less talented at the LB position (Mostly cause Al Wilson), and DB are a little downgraded (Dre I think is better tha Darrent was, but, our safeties were not near Lynch).

    Our scheme in 05 though used a lot of stunts up front with a lot of creative blitzes to pressure the QB. When we did do that this year, we got pressure. When we didnt, and just bull rushed Elvis into a tackle (along with Moss), we lost basically their best weapons.

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  • silkamilkamonic
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    Originally posted by Letswinplz77 View Post
    Moss and Crowder both graded out as first or second round players, so the fact that they were busts is unfortunate, very very unfortunate, but they would have been drafted by someone else even if the Broncos didn't. I agree, personnel decisions, especially on defense, were atrocious, but it's hard to believe that Shanahan didn't have a serious hand in the decisions.
    Shanahan had a hand, but instead of being the driving force of opinion, he's listening to the Goodman's. Jim Goodman made the decision to trade a 3rd round pick to move up 3 spots and grab a player most everyone thought would be there after the Broncos drafted.

    It's not the drafting of guys that didn't work out that hurts, it's the repeated constancy of not getting good players on defense. The ratio of draft busts to guys that have panned out leans heavily towards a negative number.

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  • Letswinplz77
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    Originally posted by silkamilkamonic View Post
    I would be curious to know where the talent lies. Our best dlinemen was Marcus Thomas, and there are a lot of teams around the NFL that he wouldn't even crack a rotation with. Our DE's are terrible, Dumervil is a gifted pass rusher but has proven over and over he can't stop the run. Our LB core was average when they played their best. Safeties? garbage.

    The only position I felt we were even remotely talented was at CB, and you are right about the scheme being terrible in making them irrelevant by lining up 8 yards off every time.
    Moss and Crowder both graded out as first or second round players, so the fact that they were busts is unfortunate, very very unfortunate, but they would have been drafted by someone else even if the Broncos didn't. I agree, personnel decisions, especially on defense, were atrocious, but it's hard to believe that Shanahan didn't have a serious hand in the decisions. Anyway, I don't even know if firing the Goodmans was wrong, but I am equally unsure that keeping Xanders was right. We shall see. Nothing to do but wait and disagree with each other.

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  • silkamilkamonic
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    Originally posted by draco193 View Post
    I would say, despite some shortcomings at MIKE backer and safety, this years defense was probably as talented as the 05 defense. The problem really was the scheme in my opinion, and once again injuries.
    I would be curious to know where the talent lies. Our best dlinemen was Marcus Thomas, and there are a lot of teams around the NFL that he wouldn't even crack a rotation with. Our DE's are terrible, Dumervil is a gifted pass rusher but has proven over and over he can't stop the run. Our LB core was average when they played their best. Safeties? garbage.

    The only position I felt we were even remotely talented was at CB, and you are right about the scheme being terrible in making them irrelevant by lining up 8 yards off every time.

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  • draco193
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    Originally posted by silkamilkamonic View Post

    You don't need your blades of grass telling you how piss poor the personnel is on the defensive side of the ball.
    I would say, despite some shortcomings at MIKE backer and safety, this years defense was probably as talented as the 05 defense. The problem really was the scheme in my opinion, and once again injuries.

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  • silkamilkamonic
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    Originally posted by Letswinplz77 View Post
    Are you dating Xanders? What ineptitude? Clearly you are familiar with their shortcomings, so what are they? What did the even do before Shanahan was fired? Really, enlighten us all with your knowledge of the Goodmans and their "ineptitude".
    The Goodman's were a primary instrument in all of our defensive draft picks over the last 3 years. This includes the first and second round "busts" in Crowder and Moss. They were also a pivotal voice in player personnel on the defensive side of the ball, with Koutividas, Manual, Mcree, Boss, Webster, and every other degenerate that set foot on the field. Shanahan wanted someone in charge of the defensive side of the ball while he focused on the offensive side.

    You don't need your blades of grass telling you how piss poor the personnel is on the defensive side of the ball.

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  • Letswinplz77
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    Originally posted by silkamilkamonic View Post
    Bowlen got rid of the Goodman's because they were stealing money from him because of their ineptitude.
    Are you dating Xanders? What ineptitude? Clearly you are familiar with their shortcomings, so what are they? What did the even do before Shanahan was fired? Really, enlighten us all with your knowledge of the Goodmans and their "ineptitude".

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  • silkamilkamonic
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    Originally posted by cutler7624 View Post
    Bowlen got rid of the Goodmans to save money.
    Bowlen got rid of the Goodman's because they were stealing money from him because of their ineptitude.

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  • SBboundBRONCOS
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    Originally posted by omahaBroncoFan View Post
    After reading more of Herock's comments, its not that much of a dis.

    Actual article, rather than PFTs misleading synopsis:

    http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...s/?partner=RSS

    I'd sum up Herock's comments about Xander with the following. "There's some question marks with Xander, but if he surrounds himself with the right people he will succeed."

    Which is a pretty viable opinion since Xander is young, no doubt lacks experience at somethings, etc.... He'll have to step up in areas he's unfamilair with, but Herock isn't giving an indicator that he thinks that won't happen.
    pft is a bunch of BS plain and simple and anyone reading crap on that website needs to stop and go to a real football website

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  • omahaBroncoFan
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    After reading more of Herock's comments, its not that much of a dis.

    Actual article, rather than PFTs misleading synopsis:

    http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...s/?partner=RSS

    I'd sum up Herock's comments about Xander with the following. "There's some question marks with Xander, but if he surrounds himself with the right people he will succeed."

    Which is a pretty viable opinion since Xander is young, no doubt lacks experience at somethings, etc.... He'll have to step up in areas he's unfamilair with, but Herock isn't giving an indicator that he thinks that won't happen.

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  • The Hamburgler
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    Originally posted by Danzler88 View Post
    Isn't Herock the same guy who traded Favre to Green Bay?
    Yes, yes he is. Talk about PWNAGE.

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  • Danzler88
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    Isn't Herock the same guy who traded Favre to Green Bay?

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