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  • Originally posted by Atwnbroncfan View Post
    Yup plus Peyton threw Cutler into the pool and broke Jays pump but he got a new one the next day. It wouldnt take Jay a few weeks to get an new pump.
    The pump itself was not damaged, the monitor was, and that is a huge difference from getting driven into your body by physical force, and destroyed in the process.

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    • I wish the trade would have happened

      To be downright honest I wouldn't have minded Cassel coming to Denver to play in a system that he knows. However by the trade not happening it has blown up on both sides of the party. The bottom line is that this will never be healed and theres a good chance that Jay won't be back after this season. Remember when Reeves drafted Maddox when we had John, same difference in a sense.

      I believe we won't trade Jay away before this season but after that he'll be out the door...I hope I'm wrong.:go:

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      • Originally posted by TheFuture6 View Post
        Brady Quinn has been backing up Derek Anderson for a awful-mediocre team for 2 years. I think that says alot. Hes played in what, two games his whole career? Regardless of Rodgers and the 3rd rounder, we'd be giving up a great talent like Cutler for a weakarmed, overrated QB without any experience, whos been backing up a 3rd tier QB for 2 years....

        Only a rumor though, right?
        If Brady Quinn was the Anser why would they be trading him? If he's not why would the Broncos want him?

        He's coming off serious injury and his talent level is nowhere near Cutler's and he has no virtually starting experience.

        The Broncos would do better if McDaniels' Cluster-FUBAR forces them to seek a veteran FA and draft a QB to bite the bullet.

        First: Trade Cutler for the Lions #1 pick.

        Second: Seek to find a veteran like Kerry Collins who could run the offense for a year, while McDaniels trained Matt Stafford.

        That's a SUCKY plan for two reasons:

        1. There's no guarantee McDaniels can find a veteran FA worth squat. If Thigpen weren't a Chief he'd be about the best they could hope for -- a guy with some starting experience to fill in for a year.

        2. There's no guarantee they can trade with the Lions for their #1 pick. There's no guarantee they can reach a contract with Stafford that would fit into Denver's salary cap. There's no guarantee that if signed Stafford would be the answer.

        Especially, there's no guarantee that even if Stafford turns out to be the next Tom Brady (when he's as likely to be the next Alex Smith) he develops in time to save McDaniels from being fired at the end of the 2010 season after the Broncos win 12-14 games in two years.

        So, this solution's far less than ideal.

        McDaniels totally screwed the pooch and now he's setting back the Broncos development by at least 2 years with his stupidity. (And NO that doesn't excuse the childishness of Cutler, it's just a fact that none of this needed to happen if McIdiot had just S T F U and not tried to trade away Cutler for Cassel and then lied about it)!

        This could very easily turn out to be a FATAL blunder by McDaniels that costs him his job (in 2010-11, not now).
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        • My friend with type 1 diabetes doesnt wear is all the time he takes it off for sports so. Im sure Jay a paid athlete def does, as he said he does.
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          • Originally posted by DawgFanatic View Post
            oh and what, your golden boy has been in the league 3 YEARS and all he can do is 17-20?! Everybody knows Brady Quinn is going to be a better QB than cutler at the end of the day. Oh and btw, Derek Anderson > Jay Cutler

            Anderson has actually won 10 games in a season
            Just a suggestion, but you may want to actually watch some football before commenting on a MB about it.

            On a side note, Art Model says hi.

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            • The IDEA of a trade should have never happened...

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              • Originally posted by martz11 View Post
                To be downright honest I wouldn't have minded Cassel coming to Denver to play in a system that he knows. However by the trade not happening it has blown up on both sides of the party. The bottom line is that this will never be healed and theres a good chance that Jay won't be back after this season. Remember when Reeves drafted Maddox when we had John, same difference in a sense.

                I believe we won't trade Jay away before this season but after that he'll be out the door...I hope I'm wrong.:go:
                What if we traded Jay for Matt Cassell lol

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                • Amateur Hour - McDaniels & Xanders

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                  Broncos bumble Cutler deal


                  Hello, and thanks for joining us here at Amateur Hour, coming to you live from the mountains of Colorado, where the NFL’s newest young guns are off to a bit of a rocky start.

                  To conclude that Josh McDaniels, the Denver Broncos’ 32-year-old rookie coach, and Brian Xanders, the team’s newly hired general manager, are in over their heads might seem a bit unfair. But I think I just heard their respective mothers calling them out of the deep end of the pool because it had been less than 30 minutes since their last meal.

                  In case you’ve been preoccupied by the Kurt Warner saga, T.J. Houshmandzadeh’s Pacific Northwest adventure or – gasp – news outside the realm of NFL offseason transactions, McDaniels and Xanders are the whiz kids who dangled their 25-year-old franchise quarterback, Jay Cutler, in trade talks over the weekend.

                  That decision in and of itself was shocking – who considers parting with a sturdy, young Pro Bowl passer with a huge arm and obvious potential for greatness? For a moment, however, let’s suspend disbelief and accept the notion that McDaniels, formerly Bill Belichick’s offensive coordinator in New England, and Xanders, a longtime Falcons salary-cap specialist, are shrewd visionaries who could have improved the Broncos’ short- and long-term prospects by getting rid of Cutler.

                  Even then, could they have handled the situation more clumsily?

                  By arriving late to the table in an effort to secure the services of former Patriots quarterback Matt Cassel – and failing to pull off a proposed three-way trade with New England which would’ve sent Cutler to Tampa Bay or Detroit, the news of which was leaked to NFL.com after the Pats ended up dealing Cassel to the Chiefs – McDaniels and Xanders exposed themselves as novices and will now suffer the consequences:

                  • Cutler, who does not at all believe McDaniels’ public protestations that the Broncos were simply listening to offers for the quarterback initiated by others, mistrusts his new bosses and is angry about their apparent disrespect for his considerable abilities.

                  • As Cutler has suggested, the news may also have a ripple effect in the locker room. If nothing else, other Broncos players will rightfully realize that if Cutler was deemed expendable, no one on the roster is sacred – and McDaniels is in an extreme-home-makeover state of mind.

                  • If Xanders and McDaniels conclude that, even with Cassel gone, they still want to deal Cutler, their potential leverage with other teams has been reduced. In light of the news that they were talking to the Bucs and Lions about parting ways with the quarterback, any subsequent talks the Broncos initiate will be viewed as a sign that they are desperate to dump him.

                  • On a slightly less crucial note, that constant noise filtering through the Broncos’ Dove Valley headquarters – former coach and personnel boss Mike Shanahan’s cackling laughter reverberating off the Rockies – is kind of distracting.

                  None of this is necessarily calamitous. Some would argue that the drama between Cutler, who acknowledged that he was upset about Shanahan’s firing, and his new bosses is nothing that a few early-season victories won’t cure, or at least go a long way toward doing so.

                  In fairness, I don’t know McDaniels or Xanders, and it’s possible both the young coach and the neophyte GM are the next Belichick and Scott Pioli, with championships and secret handshakes in their future. Right now, however, they seem like the teenagers who took their parents’ car for a spin and drove it into the neighbor’s pool.

                  I’m wondering, is McDaniels really 32, or is he actually like Tom Hanks’ character in “Big,” a 13-year-old who magically morphs into an adult’s body?

                  Certainly, Monday’s report by SI.com’s Peter King that Cutler had requested a trade in January – after the Broncos allowed Shanahan’s former offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates, with whom the quarterback was close, to leave for USC – adds another layer of intrigue to the situation.

                  However, as McDaniels and Xanders should have realized, Cutler was undoubtedly reacting to a tumultuous stretch that began with Broncos owner Pat Bowlen’s surprise firing of Shanahan, his 14-year coach, following the 2008 season. That rocked Cutler’s world, and Bates’ departure was a major aftershock.

                  Even if Cutler’s reaction seemed a bit extreme, McDaniels should’ve addressed the player’s insecurities and smoothed over the situation. That’s part of the deal with star quarterbacks. For all their natural bravado, they can be sensitive, insecure dudes, whether they’re relative youngsters like Ben Roethlisberger or grizzled veterans like Donovan McNabb or Brett Favre.

                  Instead, McDaniels and Xanders – seemingly with Bowlen’s blessing, because I can’t imagine they’d have been bold enough to move Cutler without it – decided that a career backup who did a nice job filling in for the injured Tom Brady in ’08 would be a better man to build a team around than the 10th overall pick of the ’06 NFL draft.

                  Then, instead of aggressively pursuing Cassel from the outset, McDaniels and Xanders (promoted to GM in February in another surprising move by Bowlen) misread the situation and got into the game after trade talks between Belichick and Pioli, the former Pats personnel chief who is now the Chiefs’ GM, were too far along.

                  Much has been made about the fact that Belichick seemed to deal Cassel and veteran linebacker Mike Vrabel for less than presumed market value, receiving only Kansas City’s second-round pick (34th overall) in return. I can’t tell you with certainty how the situation played out, but logic suggests that Belichick had his reasons.

                  First, Pioli was willing to make the trade without signing Cassel to a long-term contract, instead picking up the $14.65-million tab for 2009 that New England triggered when it placed the franchise tag upon the fifth-year quarterback. Seeking immediate salary-cap relief and worried that a team such as the Bucs or Lions would insist upon and have trouble negotiating a lucrative multiyear deal with Cassel before pulling the trigger on a trade, Belichick was motivated to act quickly.

                  Secondly, while Belichick may or may not have overtly extended a friends-and-family discount to Pioli, his longtime right-hand man in New England, it’s reasonable to conclude this: At the very least, once the two men agreed in principle to make a deal, the Pats’ coach was unlikely to renege. Had that been the case with another team, I suspect Belichick may have been willing to pull back once he heard that a much higher pick – reportedly the Broncos’ first-round selection (12th overall) – was in play.

                  Finally, I have no idea who leaked the news that Cutler had come up in trade talks, but if you’re McDaniels and Xanders, it’s naïve to think that the New England and Kansas City camps lacked possible motivation to do so.

                  In Pioli’s case, the Broncos are an AFC West rival. Enough said.

                  As for Belichick, though McDaniels seemingly departed New England on good terms, this may have been yet another opportunity to show an ex-assistant what happens when he leaves the family. After watching the way Belichick stonewalled Eric Mangini after the former Pats defensive coordinator took the Jets job, I can’t imagine it’s ever that cool when a staff member moves on, though Pioli is an obvious exception.


                  Realistically, I think it’s unlikely that Belichick went out of his way to make McDaniels’ life harder by leaking the information about Cutler. On the other hand, I’m fairly certain that Coach Hoodie isn’t sweating his ex-assistant’s plight.

                  All of this makes me wonder what Bowlen thinks about all of this – and how culpable he is for the current state of affairs.

                  As someone who is close with John Elway, the Broncos’ owner understands the power of a franchise quarterback. In fact, largely because of Bowlen, few NFL players have ever wielded so much power within an organization. For example, even under a strong-minded coach like Shanahan, it was common knowledge in the ’90s during the team’s training camps in Greeley, Colo., that it was OK to miss curfew as long as you were with John.

                  Right now, to continue with the movie theme, Bowlen reminds me of Kevin Spacey’s character from “American Beauty.” Having finally cut ties with Shanahan, he seems to be having the owner’s equivalent of a midlife crisis, with McDaniels the equivalent of the 1970 Pontiac Firebird.

                  Bowlen’s apparent willingness to give up on an ultratalented quarterback who seems headed for stardom makes him, too, seem like an Amateur Hour contestant, when a successful businessman with two Super Bowl rings should know better.

                  In the end, of course, it won’t matter. It’s Bowlen’s team, and it won’t be his job on the line if things don’t go well in the post-Shanahan era. Instead, if Denver doesn’t win, it’ll be the whiz kids who take the fall.

                  My advice to McDaniels and Xanders is to reach out to Cutler, admit that they blew it and start kissing some serious butt. And to try not to let the sound of Shanahan’s laughter get them off message.
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                  • Actually the Browns are the only team I would consider trading Jay Cutler to now (although I think the entire point is moot). At least we can get another QB back in Quinn, who seems like a Cassel type. Quinn is a nice QB, but Cutler has phenom potential so we better be getting some mad return.

                    Also the Vikings have nothing worth trading for. Peterson is a great player but his type of RB gets broken down much too fast. And a QB is just too important to this offense to deal away for an, or anything short of a gross overpayment.
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                    • I have to say I'm a little surprised by the results. Judging by all of the "Jay sucks anyway" posters, I expected it to be a closer race.
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                      • May. 4, 2008 - 4:40 p.m. ET

                        In order to cope with his Diabetes, Jay Cutler will wear an insulin pump during practices and pre-game warmups this season.

                        The device will help him maintain normal blood-sugar levels. Cutler will remove the pump during games and keep track of his glucose level between quarters or at halftime. He'll also drink Gatorade to keep sugar in his system. Cutler's playing weight is 233; he played in the 200-range late last year.



                        Source: Rocky Mountain News

                        Also from Sporting News

                        Cutler has worn the OmniPod during OTAs, but he won't wear it during games to prevent it from getting smashed or delivering an overdose of insulin. He doesn't always wear the device off the field, either. For example, he recently went to the beach without it. Chicks don't dig OmniPods.

                        He also has altered his diet. Chicken, fish and vegetables are big on his new menu, although he occasionally has a hamburger or pizza.

                        Cutler has regained weight and regained his fastball. After catching passes from Cutler during one workout, receiver Brandon Stokley joked he was going to have to start wearing two pairs of gloves.

                        "I feel good throwing the ball," Cutler says. "It's coming out of my hand with a lot of zip. "

                        For the Broncos, that's the best news of the offseason.


                        Found in a simple Google search.... Maybe you should do some homework before making stupid claims to support your theory that Jay=suxxors


                        also the official site stated the same thing:


                        Don't just try and make crap up Mind. was a good try though.
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                        • It's so OBVIOUS that they were trying to trade them... And now they are caught.

                          By arriving late to the table in an effort to secure the services of former Patriots quarterback Matt Cassel – and failing to pull off a proposed three-way trade with New England which would’ve sent Cutler to Tampa Bay or Detroit, the news of which was leaked to NFL.com after the Pats ended up dealing Cassel to the Chiefs – McDaniels and Xanders exposed themselves as novices and will now suffer the consequences:

                          Instead, McDaniels and Xanders – seemingly with Bowlen’s blessing, because I can’t imagine they’d have been bold enough to move Cutler without it – decided that a career backup who did a nice job filling in for the injured Tom Brady in ’08 would be a better man to build a team around than the 10th overall pick of the ’06 NFL draft.
                          Morons.

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                          • Originally posted by B4Bronco6 View Post
                            Jay has STATED that he doesn't wear the pump during the game.

                            You would be an IDIOT if you did.
                            If this is true, and the device is able to be removed, then I obviously misunderstood what my Dr. was trying to say, so my bad.

                            I only know one person who has the same type of diabetes, and he wears a pump all the time, but he is not an NFL QB.

                            Still, the complications are likely to increase as Cutler ages, so I wonder how much this would factor in to a teams decision about Jay Cutler.

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                            • Originally posted by PandaBear007 View Post
                              I just heard on ESPN the Viks want Cutler now. And they have contacted the Broncos.
                              Of course the Vikes want Cutler, and so do about 20 other teams right now. But the Vikings have a CRAP pick (#23) and no QB so what do they have to offer?

                              If the Broncos are going to trade Cutler for a Draft Pick, they should at least get the #1 overall pick and use it to get a potential franchise QB to replace Cutler!

                              Draft Matt Stafford. Sign a FA to play QB for a year and take your lumps! At least then there'd be some hope for the future, even if McDaniels wasn't around to see it!

                              IF McDaniels were stupid enough to entertain this trade for one second, he REALLY should be just fired right now and save the rush later!
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                              • Originally posted by JoRo View Post
                                May. 4, 2008 - 4:40 p.m. ET

                                In order to cope with his Diabetes, Jay Cutler will wear an insulin pump during practices and pre-game warmups this season.

                                The device will help him maintain normal blood-sugar levels. Cutler will remove the pump during games and keep track of his glucose level between quarters or at halftime. He'll also drink Gatorade to keep sugar in his system. Cutler's playing weight is 233; he played in the 200-range late last year.



                                Source: Rocky Mountain News

                                Also from Sporting News

                                Cutler has worn the OmniPod during OTAs, but he won't wear it during games to prevent it from getting smashed or delivering an overdose of insulin. He doesn't always wear the device off the field, either. For example, he recently went to the beach without it. Chicks don't dig OmniPods.

                                He also has altered his diet. Chicken, fish and vegetables are big on his new menu, although he occasionally has a hamburger or pizza.

                                Cutler has regained weight and regained his fastball. After catching passes from Cutler during one workout, receiver Brandon Stokley joked he was going to have to start wearing two pairs of gloves.

                                "I feel good throwing the ball," Cutler says. "It's coming out of my hand with a lot of zip. "

                                For the Broncos, that's the best news of the offseason.


                                Found in a simple Google search.... Maybe you should do some homework before making stupid claims to support your theory that Jay=suxxors


                                also the official site stated the same thing:


                                Don't just try and make crap up Mind. was a good try though.
                                How am I 'making things up'?

                                Jay Cutler does have diabetes, and it is not an easily treated disease, and there are complications.

                                You act as if he is medically 'normal', which is defintiely not the case.

                                Denial is never a good thing.

                                There were reports the heat at the Pro Bowl was a problem for him as well.

                                I am not saying the guy can't physically play, I am saying I wonder what the Broncos think about it after dealing with it for a year.
                                Last edited by MindField; 03-03-2009, 12:42 PM.

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