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    Jamie Dukes said it best. The Broncos have messed this up. Cutler does need to grow up, but multiply that by 10 for ol' JMac. Win a Superbowl before you lay down the law. Wouldn't you all agree it was a better idea to keep Elway over Reeves? I was on board with all the washups, and never will be's that Jmac signed, but now seeing him start this mess with Jay... Denver hasn't improved the running backs, just added more, and got older (better) in the secondary. They've managed to ignore the DLine, and don't give me the "Kenny Peterson" crap. They should've made a move for Olshansky or Canty, and never tried to trade Jay. Keeping the franchise QB worked once before... I think it might work again.

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    • "The Mile High Fiasco"

      Originally posted by jhns View Post
      How can you earn respect if you are traded before you even know your head coach?
      Exactly, I do not know why it is so hard for these people that think it is all of Cutler's fault to see that this guy was treated with no respect at all this whole time! Listen, Jay cutler ,like it or not, is in the top 5 quarter backs in the league, yes he is look at his numbers he put up last year with no running game and a horrible defense, not to mention crappy field possession as well if Eddie" Casino" Royal wasn't returning kicks or punts. I fail to hear all this whining and complaining that Cutler is doing, reporters/Media call him he voices his opinion in a non cocky way, you all hear the same audio clips as me, so please do not BS us and say he is whining, he isn't, it is called freedom of speech and he is bringing no bad press to Denver, Denver's front office is bringing it. Bottom line here folks, if Cutler leaves, it will go down in NFL history and all of us Bronco fans will have to watch the clips put together of the whole fiasco on NFL network and ESPN classic, it will be entitled, " The Mile High Fiasco" for years to come! I feel it coming,he is leaving that is, and I am sick to my stomach and forever will be!

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      • If he does show up on Monday i will be jumping with joys but i have a feeling he will not show up on Monday- period!
        Last edited by CommandQ; 03-11-2009, 08:10 PM.

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        • Originally posted by Fire Josh Now View Post
          Jamie Dukes said it best. The Broncos have messed this up. Cutler does need to grow up, but multiply that by 10 for ol' JMac. Win a Superbowl before you lay down the law. Wouldn't you all agree it was a better idea to keep Elway over Reeves? I was on board with all the washups, and never will be's that Jmac signed, but now seeing him start this mess with Jay... Denver hasn't improved the running backs, just added more, and got older (better) in the secondary. They've managed to ignore the DLine, and don't give me the "Kenny Peterson" crap. They should've made a move for Olshansky or Canty, and never tried to trade Jay. Keeping the franchise QB worked once before... I think it might work again.
          How about Cutler gets us to the playoffs before he calls the shots... I love how people like you are judging McDaniels before he has coached a single game. Just shows how poor your football knowledge is.

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          • Bump. Because I think people should see the above stats researched by vamjl



            All the "Cutler is a loser" crowd need to see this

            As a QB, we won't know the "real" Jay Cutler until the Broncos start playing "real" defense.

            Jay Cutler is 14-7 (.667) when the Broncos give up less than 30 points. He is 3-13 (.188) when they give up 30 or more points, including 3-6 (.333) this year. That is 16 of 37 games Cutler has played in, where the Broncos gave up 30 or more.

            What's my point? No QB can win consistently when they have to score 30+ points a game.

            Even though I believe John Elway is the greatest QB ever, he was 7-41 (.146) when the Broncos gave up 30 or more.

            Jake Plummer was 40-18 as a Broncos starter, but NEVER won a game when they gave up 30 or more points (0-10). He was 4-37 (.098) for his career when his team gave up 30+.

            Brian Griese was a surprising 4-7 (.363) when the Broncos gave up 30 or more points.

            Here are the career records, followed by their records in the Jay Cutler era, of some of the top NFL QBs when their teams give up 30+ points:

            Tom Brady 5-8 (.384), 1-1 from 2006 - 2008;
            Peyton Manning 9-25 (.265), 2-3 from 2006 - 2008;
            Kurt Warner 6-22 (.214), 1-8 from 2006 - 2008;
            Ben Roethlisberger 2-10 (.167), 1-7 from 2006 - 2008;
            Brett Favre 8-42 (.160), 2-9 from 2006 - 2008;
            Donovan McNabb 3-16 (.158), 0-8 from 2006 - 2008;
            Phyllis Rivers 1-8 (.111), benchwarmer in 2004 & 2005;
            Eli Manning 1-16 (.059), 1-10 from 2006 - 2008;
            Matt Cassel 0-4;

            None of these QBs ever had a single season when their team gave up 30 or more 9 times, as the Broncos did this year. The Colts in 2001 went 6-10, giving up 30+ 7 times. Peyton was 0-7 in those games.

            The AZ Cardinals under Jake Plummer had 3 seasons where they gave up 30+ points 7 times. Jake's record those years was: 1998 1-6, 2000 1-6 and 2002 0-7. No other QB on my list had a season where thier team gave up 30+ points more than 5 times.

            I obviously didn't look at all QBs through the history of the NFL. I don't have access to Stats, Inc like the DP sportswriters do and I had to do this research myself.

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            • I think that Jay should do something along the lines of of what Trent Green suggested , but it's too bad that Jay doesn't have a veteran presence giving him advice. I get the whole "the nfl is a business" deal but far too often fans and even some coaches tend to forget about the men behind the pads and that like everyone else they too have emotions. Jay openly displayed his frustration and confusion with this situation because I think he had no where else to turn. Think about it, in the course of couple of months he looses his mentor in head coach Mike Shanahan, his peer in Jeremy Bates, and then on top of it all off he hears trade talks which if successful would have separated him from his teammates. Honestly, if Jay had not displayed any emotion about all of this then I would have been quite concerned for his mental health. I guess what it boils down to is an issue of trust for Cutler and that Mcdaniels actions haven't reassured him of his place on this team. just a thought . . .

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              • Originally posted by stampede! View Post
                The real question is, why do you have a graphic depiction of domestic violence in your sig?
                it's from purple rain. one of the funniest scenes ever. He gets slapped into infinity! i have never seen a slap do that to a human being. lol

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                • Originally posted by d-bronx42 View Post
                  How about Cutler gets us to the playoffs before he calls the shots... I love how people like you are judging McDaniels before he has coached a single game. Just shows how poor your football knowledge is.
                  Yea because he had such a steller Defense, you could have qb'd us to at least 10 wins

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                  • ***? where did it go!!!!!!!!!! that was my favorite! :brick::::hammer::

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                    • Originally posted by jhns View Post
                      I would give you cp for the help but you where wrong and you are a charger fan. It was that the flash player doesnt work in my 64 bit browser.
                      I still call it Macromedia Flash myself, a little better than Shockwave Flash

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                      • wasnt the confo yesterday

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                        • Originally posted by jlhawkins9 View Post
                          Yea because he had such a steller Defense, you could have qb'd us to at least 10 wins
                          Says a guy who is naming his son Cutler and has a picture as McDaniels as the devil....

                          That will be absolutely hilarious if you do name him Cutler and then he is traded haha.

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                          • Originally posted by Fire Josh Now View Post
                            Jamie Dukes said it best. The Broncos have messed this up. Cutler does need to grow up, but multiply that by 10 for ol' JMac. Win a Superbowl before you lay down the law. Wouldn't you all agree it was a better idea to keep Elway over Reeves? I was on board with all the washups, and never will be's that Jmac signed, but now seeing him start this mess with Jay... Denver hasn't improved the running backs, just added more, and got older (better) in the secondary. They've managed to ignore the DLine, and don't give me the "Kenny Peterson" crap. They should've made a move for Olshansky or Canty, and never tried to trade Jay. Keeping the franchise QB worked once before... I think it might work again.
                            I totally agree with you i have to say when Dukes first came to the Network he was horrible I dont no if he took classes or what but he is the best they have now

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                            • Originally posted by 6cbryan View Post
                              I think that Jay should do something along the lines of of what Trent Green suggested , but it's too bad that Jay doesn't have a veteran presence giving him advice. I get the whole "the nfl is a business" deal but far too often fans and even some coaches tend to forget about the men behind the pads and that like everyone else they too have emotions. Jay openly displayed his frustration and confusion with this situation because I think he had no where else to turn. Think about it, in the course of couple of months he looses his mentor in head coach Mike Shanahan, his peer in Jeremy Bates, and then on top of it all off he hears trade talks which if successful would have separated him from his teammates. Honestly, if Jay had not displayed any emotion about all of this then I would have been quite concerned for his mental health. I guess what it boils down to is an issue of trust for Cutler and that Mcdaniels actions haven't reassured him of his place on this team. just a thought . . .

                              That is obvious. lol, but everyone and there brother wants to blow it out pf proportion and say Jay is being a baby. I have not heard him say anything that displayed a whiny baby mentality. Here is the deal again, it comes down to a young coach who tried to make the dumbest move in NFL history and I can;t believe that Pat Bowlen was gonna allow it. It is not some little mistake where Pat could just fire him and bring in a different coach, we are talking about setting our FRANCHISE back YEARS because this dilweed of a coach thinks a one year wonder can manage this offense to win sooner. Key word is "MANAGE', I for one know football and nine times out of ten a QB that is a game manager and is successful has a really really good defense and special teams around him. I don;t want a trent dilfer type QB, I want a Jay Cutler QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                              • I just noticed something. Trent Green's best year of his NFL career resembles Jay's stats from last year. I'm not saying this to put Green down at all. I think Trent had some good things to say in that clip. I'm just saying that should put Jay's performance in perspective.

                                Green's best statistical season (2004):
                                4,591 yards - 27 tds - 17 ints - 66.4 completion % - 95.2 qb rating - his team went 7-9 that year. I seem to remember them having a horrible defense. This is sounding more and more familiar.
                                Last edited by BroncsSB#3; 03-11-2009, 08:28 PM.
                                2 of the top 3 NFL QBs of all time have been Broncos

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