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  • It is pretty obvious that Cutler wants to leave. He does not want to be a Bronco. He is a liar. He is not moving a pinky to remain our quarterback.
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    • Originally posted by KyLewin View Post
      Perhaps that was what he was trying to do when he entertained trade suggestions involving Cutler. He thought he could get something better (doing his job) or was at least willing to listen in case he could. Cutler got hurt and started crying about it, but McDaniels was (I assume) just trying to do his job. It isn't his fault his starting QB can't take the thought of being considered in a trade option.

      Not that hard to understand...
      For a man that has accomplished exactly NOTHING for the Denver Broncos in the (count em) 1,2,3 years in the NFL, the kid has alot of audicity demanding a trade just because his precious name was mentioned in trade talks.
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      • Yet another case for the 100 post rule. (if there were a middle finger smiley, I would insert here)

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        • Here is the text... (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?eref=T1)

          Cutler's time as Bronco nearing end (From Peter King on SI.com)

          Quite an offseason we're having. The NFLPA elects someone no one outside the District of Columbia Bar Association has ever heard of to succeed the late Gene Upshaw -- and all he has to do is go head-to-head with Roger Goodell on the most important CBA negotiation in a generation. One of the rising star quarterbacks in football, Jay Cutler, moves closer and closer toward divorce court with the Broncos. And LaDainian Tomlinson, who was supposed to get his contract cut to smithereens in his renegotiation deal with the Chargers, actually did quite well. Maybe not well enough to retire a Charger, but close.

          I'll tell you a few nuggets about the election of DeMaurice Smith as the new NFLPA head, but this story has been Don Banks' baby on this site all month, so please give him a read this morning. I'm going to lead with the Cutler story, following two chats I had with Denver coach Josh McDaniels late Sunday night. I got the sense he can't believe it's come to this duel at the OK Corral.

          "I would probably be really good for Jay, and I know he would be really good for me,'' McDaniels told me over the phone from Denver. "I think that's the part that's shocking to me.''

          That it probably will never happen, he means.

          It makes no sense. None. When the Broncos report for the start of their offseason program this morning at their plush complex south of town, Cutler will be a no-show. I reported recently that Cutler wanted to be traded after the Broncos lost both Mike Shanahan (fired) and offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates (went to USC as offensive coordinator), and that message was delivered to the Denver front office. Now I expect Cutler, through agent Bus Cook, to reiterate his demand ... and what's more, I expect the Broncos to seriously consider it. Owner Pat Bowlen said Sunday night, "we might lose'' Cutler, though he was not specific about how, or why, or when, and Cutler told Chris Mortensen of ESPN he has asked Cook to formally request a trade.

          Denver has to tread carefully here. McDaniels told me he is frustrated by Cutler's interpretation of a conference call and then an in-person meeting this weekend, and he still wants to talk with Cutler again face-to-face to see if they can iron out their differences. If McDaniels walks into his first meeting with his players this morning, and they think he's trying to kick Cutler to the curb, they're going to ask, "Why did Bowlen hire this idiot?''

          But in the end, Denver will have to strongly consider trading Cutler. If you're a rookie coach, as McDaniels is, and you've got to set the right tone for the team, how can you have a quarterback who doesn't want to be there as your franchise leader? Parting with Cutler would be forcing the Broncos to start over at the game's most important position when they thought they had the position filled for the next decade. But Cutler, who is one of the best quarterback prospects to enter the NFL in years, can be moody, and if he never buys what McDaniels is selling, it could drag the team down.

          How we got to this point, in chronological order:

          McDaniels said he was not considering trading Cutler until he was contacted "by two teams'' at the Scouting Combine -- presumably Detroit and Tampa. They were pie-in-the-sky inquiries, though, and he didn't consider anything seriously, he said, until the day before the Feb. 27 beginning of free-agency, when he got a serious proposal for Cutler.

          "This was a non-issue until Thursday [Feb. 26],'' McDaniels said. "There was obviously a scenario where teams figured we'd be interested in Matt Cassel, because I'd coached him in New England. When someone calls, I'm going to consider it, because that's my job.''

          Cutler believes the Broncos were much more interested in trading him and signing Cassel than they've said. I asked McDaniels if he'd been interested in Cassel before the contact by the two teams at the combine, going back to when he knew Cassel might be on the market and available in trade from the Patriots. "No, that's totally untrue,'' he said.

          McDaniels did pursue a deal with New England on the first day of free agency, but not intensely, he said, because he and Broncos general manager Brian Xanders were in the middle of doing six free-agent negotiations in the opening two days of free-agency. "I think we were too late to the dance,'' he said, meaning the Chiefs had already made the deal with New England -- a second-round pick for Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel. Denver would have given more, likely a first-round pick, but Patriots coach Bill Belichick had his deal done with the Chiefs.

          "Do I understand about Jay being hurt that we'd consider this?'' McDaniels said. "Sure. But I can tell you that it wasn't like there was any grand plan by us to trade Jay Cutler. That wasn't the case. But when we've told them [Cutler and Cook], I think it's fallen on deaf ears.''

          I texted Cutler and got no response. In his comments to Mortensen earlier, he said his time in Denver "had run its course,'' the rift between him and McDaniels is "not something they want to fix,'' that McDaniels -- in their meeting Saturday -- "made it clear he could still entertain trading me,'' and said the coach "made it clear he wants his own guy.''

          I texted McDaniels, and shortly before 1 a.m. Eastern on Monday, he called to react to Cutler's words.

          "Oh boy,'' he said, and sighed. "No, no, no. Nothing like that was conveyed.'' And he sighed again.

          "I think the hangup is, 'Well, you considered doing it once, would you ever consider it again?' It keeps coming out like I want my own guy. Thinking we want to trade him now is totally opposite what we've been trying to do here ... We've been trying like hell for two weeks to get a face-to-face meeting.''

          What frustrates McDaniels is that the two sides met -- he thinks without acrimony -- and then word gets out that there was tension or vindictiveness in the meeting. "It's hard to believe we're sharing the same intentions and can have such different interpretations of the meeting,'' he said. "When we met [Saturday], my point was, 'We all know where this was, and now we all have to try to move forward.' After we met for a while, and went over a lot of the same ground we'd been over, Jay said to me, 'Can I have a few more hours to think?' I said, 'Yeah, give me a call on my cell phone.' He never called. Bus [Cook] called Brian [Xanders], but Jay didn't call me.''

          I asked McDaniels if he feels he'll be forced to trade Cutler.

          "No,'' he said. "He's got three years left on his contract. We're not at the point where we're going to do it now ... [But] it's probably something we're going to have to talk about. We've been trying to communicate, and I still want to try, but if that's the direction we're headed, we're going to have to talk.''

          There's such a gulf in the two versions of events. But it looks like, taking the long view, Cutler will be playing elsewhere unless he and McDaniels sit in a room together for two hours and come out married. That's not likely to happen. Maybe Cutler can't take the dissing he feels from McDaniels, or maybe he's fabricating the dissing to justify in his own mind going somewhere else. I don't know. But I do know this: If I had the choice of Denver, Tampa Bay, Detroit and the Jets, and the Denver coach has worked successfully with Tom Brady and Matt Cassel, I'd be thinking very hard about not burning a bridge that can't be reconstructed.
          Go Broncos, make me keep believing this year

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          • how is the bad to have the #1 pick look at mario williams one of the best noe and we took Jarvis Moss at what 16 and what has he done! dont get me wrong i like moss and i want him to do good but come on bra he has 3.5 sacks.. we could get the #1 pick and even trade that pick for more if u havent thought of that!

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            • Originally posted by moneymayweather View Post
              Not picking sides here, but seems that if Denver truly was committed to Cutler, a long extension would definitely show they want him.
              Cutler will make bank too. Bus Cook is an As*.
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              • Originally posted by velly4 View Post
                how is the bad to have the #1 pick look at mario williams one of the best noe and we took Jarvis Moss at what 16 and what has he done! dont get me wrong i like moss and i want him to do good but come on bra he has 3.5 sacks.. we could get the #1 pick and even trade that pick for more if u havent thought of that!
                Because you inevitibly have to bet the bank that the #1 won't be a bust. For every Mario Williams there is a JaMarcus Russell or Akili Smith waiting.
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                • Originally posted by KyLewin View Post
                  Well, I suppose we might. He is the chosen one after all. To hear some on these boards, without him we can't win a single game....
                  Cassel took over an 18-1 team and didn't make the playoffs. Jay didn't have a team around him other than some equally inexperienced offensive talent and won 8 games. Do you honestly think we would have won 8 games with another QB? The only ones I think could have done it are NEVER leaving their teams. You know why? Because their coaches aren't dumbasses.

                  Just wait. If Cutler isn't on this team next season, we will be picking in the top 10 for the first time in 20 years.

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                  • Originally posted by moneymayweather View Post
                    Not picking sides here, but seems that if Denver truly was committed to Cutler, a long extension would definitely show they want him.
                    But why not just come out and ask for it? Better yet, why distract from a team learning a new coaches system just 2 months into the offseason with demands for a trade? Just perform well under the system the first year and show your worth!

                    I'm all for giving Cutler a 7 year max contract deal but not if he cares more about his own self rather than the wellbeing of the team and his franchise. I don't want somebody leading my beloved team
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                    • Originally posted by Roddoliver View Post
                      It is pretty obvious that Cutler wants to leave. He does not want to be a Bronco. He is a liar. He is not moving a pinky to remain our quarterback.
                      Correction: Bus Cook dosn't want Cutler to be a Bronco. I guaranteeyou that Bus is driving the ship here. If McDipshi* and Jay sit down together alone, one-on-one, there will be a resolution.
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                      • F*** McDaniels

                        title says it all:cutler::cutler::cutler::cutler:

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                        • In the words of Mike Greenburg "Get Cutler, Get Cutler, Get Cutler, Get Cutler, Get Cutler,".
                          There are about 5 teams that would give up their 1st Round pick to get Jay and Pat may pull the trigger to do it.
                          But ONLY if they know they are getting another QB in return.
                          Either in the trade or in the Draft.

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                          • Originally posted by McKeough View Post
                            Why would we want the number 1 pick? It's the worst spot to pick.

                            We need a lot of help on defense, we can't afford to sign some unproven rookie to a 5 year, 60 million dollar contract with 3/4 of it in guarenteed cash.

                            No thank you, I would not want the first overall pick unless there was some all world talent that you couldn't pass up.
                            If we could trade Cutler for Detroits 1st overall and 2nd round pick and a conditional pick in 2010 if he signs a long term deal.

                            We would take DT B.J. Raji 1st overall and either DB Malcolm Jenkins or LB Rey Maualuga or the surprise pick RB Knowshon Moreno (to help out our new QB and give him an effective RB)

                            Then in the 2nd round we could pick FS William Moore to be mentored by B'Dawks. and take either OLB Sidbury if available or Sintim with our 2nd round pick.

                            We would sign a stop gap QB for the immediate future and go for QB Colt McCoy next year in the draft
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                            • Originally posted by jhns View Post
                              Cassel took over an 18-1 team and didn't make the playoffs. Jay didn't have a team around him other than some equally inexperienced offensive talent and won 8 games. Do you honestly think we would have won 8 games with another QB? The only ones I think could have done it are NEVER leaving their teams. You know why? Because their coaches aren't dumbasses.

                              Just wait. If Cutler isn't on this team next season, we will be picking in the top 10 for the first time in 20 years.
                              I'm sorry but this is the NFL. Teams win games, not QBs. You give me a team with a talented running game, a system QB and a good defense and I will take that EVERY time over a team with a diva QB with a big arm, a bad defense and a bad running game.
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                              • Cutler does not deserve an extension

                                What has he done? I know he is an exciting player with a great arm but it takes more than that to win games. If this whole circus show is him leveraging to get a big contract, then I really hope the organization tells him to take a walk and I don't care who we end up with.

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