McD / Cutler mess (Merged)

[Bronco_Armada]

WOW

elway has changed a lot over the years.

Still one of the greats!

[Pura Vida]

The minute I saw this post I said to myself:

Elway has every reason in the world to support broncos management. I would be shocked if this isnt a pro bowlen piece.

Then I thought:
If elway is even nuetral, it goes to show how good and important jay really is.

Then I read:
Jay is a top 5 qb......

F ME!!!!!!!!

For the love of God listen to John and keep this kid. make him happy no matter what it takes!

[acpell671]

The minute I saw this post I said to myself:

Elway has every reason in the world to support broncos management. I would be shocked if this isnt a pro bowlen piece.

Then I thought:
If elway is even nuetral, it goes to show how good and important jay really is.

Then I read:
Jay is a top 5 qb......

F ME!!!!!!!!

For the love of God listen to John and keep this kid. make him happy no matter what it takes!

Vida makes me laugh!

[AyanBronco]

Woody Paige:"Don't give me that garbage about how Cutler is whining!"

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11944006

"I have a real problem here. I've had two jobs in my life from which I tried to walk away because I didn't want to work for my boss. It had nothing to do with money. It had to do with how we are treated, or even how we perceive we are treated.

Let's say you have a job that pays $25,000, and your boss wants to send you to Detroit to worse working conditions, and your boss lied to you, and his bosses aren't on your side, and you know the boss will continue to try to get rid of you. Are you a whining baby or a human being? What if someone who makes $12,000 says: "You make a lot of money. Shut up and take it." What would be your response?"

"don't give me that garbage about how Cutler is whining, and he should shut up and play quarterback where he has been disrespected, lied to and lost two bosses that liked him, and where he obviously was unwanted.
So, blame it on Cutler if you want. But McDaniels said he had no intention of trading Cutler. Yet, he told a national columnist a few days ago, and I quote, "We were late to the dance." He was trying to get Matt Cassel. Maybe Cassel would be better for him, but he should have been honest with Cutler at that moment, right after Cutler was in town studying the new playbook, but he has that New England Patriots attitude."

Read the article, another interesting point of view I completely agree with.

[DenverSpark]

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11944006

"I have a real problem here. I've had two jobs in my life from which I tried to walk away because I didn't want to work for my boss. It had nothing to do with money. It had to do with how we are treated, or even how we perceive we are treated.

Let's say you have a job that pays $25,000, and your boss wants to send you to Detroit to worse working conditions, and your boss lied to you, and his bosses aren't on your side, and you know the boss will continue to try to get rid of you. Are you a whining baby or a human being? What if someone who makes $12,000 says: "You make a lot of money. Shut up and take it." What would be your response?"

"don't give me that garbage about how Cutler is whining, and he should shut up and play quarterback where he has been disrespected, lied to and lost two bosses that liked him, and where he obviously was unwanted.
So, blame it on Cutler if you want. But McDaniels said he had no intention of trading Cutler. Yet, he told a national columnist a few days ago, and I quote, "We were late to the dance." He was trying to get Matt Cassel. Maybe Cassel would be better for him, but he should have been honest with Cutler at that moment, right after Cutler was in town studying the new playbook, but he has that New England Patriots attitude."

Read the article, another interesting point of view I completely agree with.

Meh. I guess it varies per person. If I was making 2 million or whatever, I would shut up and play. That's just me.

[SlyBronco]

I really wish Jay would take a page from John's book!

This shows me how much thought you put in to what you type.

Jay IS taking a page from Johns book, or do you know nothing about his career.

[SlyBronco]

LOL The adoration Bronco fans have for Cutler knows no bounds!!

You obviously missed the point. If you want to say it's just business, fine. Then when Cutler wants out its just business. Cutler isn't smack talking anyone. He isn't complaining. So why hate on Cutler when it's "Just a business".

Unless you don't think he's a top ten QB. In that case you need to take your bolt glasses off.

[BroncoKazuki]

This shows me how much thought you put in to what you type.

Jay IS taking a page from Johns book, or do you know nothing about his career.

Well now we got Number 7's check on it and he's being very neutral but he's also knows all too well what a HC and QB's relationship is...

Just like Sharpe he's also been around the block and has full knowlege what "no confidence" can do to a QB.

He may say "do your job" but thats it if you read between the lines its basically saying "honor your contract and you'll be ok until the situation resolves itself one way or the other."

I think Jay is wise to do that, not only that he requested a trade in saying "if your not gonna be strait with me, then I got no reason to be in a Org with a bunch of lying fools." then to keep his promise to go with Mand mini-camps and preseason which is also saying "You may break your word...that is fine if you do so, but I wont break mine thats on this contract."

[IHSD]

It's simple. John doesn't want to piss anyone off. Half of the Broncos community is calling Cutler a baby and half are coming to his defense. John will always be the face of this franchise and for him to publicly scrutinize either Jay, who the fans love, or Pat, who owns the franchise would just backfire on him. John is staying neutral because he has to. Don't put too much into the quote, he's just being political, trying to please everyone.

[NagaSadow]

Let's say you have a job that pays $25,000, and your boss wants to send you to Detroit to worse working conditions, and your boss lied to you, and his bosses aren't on your side, and you know the boss will continue to try to get rid of you. Are you a whining baby or a human being? What if someone who makes $12,000 says: "You make a lot of money. Shut up and take it." What would be your response?"

Yeah, first of all, you can't really compare a regular job that pays $25,000 to a dream job that pays millions upon millions.

Even giving him the benefit of the doubt on the rest of it, the bolded part is completely made up, by Woody, by Cutler for actually feeling that way, whatever. The Broncos don't want to trade him at this point, whether they did before or not. Any trade now will be solely because Cutler is forcing the issue.

Maybe Cassel would be better for him, but he should have been honest with Cutler at that moment, right after Cutler was in town studying the new playbook, but he has that New England Patriots attitude."

And there we are, back to the main issue behind all of this: people despise the New England Patriots, and anyone connected to them, even if it's completely irrelevant and unjustified.

Anyway.. I could have sworn Woody was on Around the Horn calling Cutler a whiner, etc. Maybe I'm wrong on that one, I really don't fully recall, but I thought that was the stance he's been taking.

[SlyBronco]

Well now we got Number 7's check on it and he's being very neutral but he's also knows all too well what a HC and QB's relationship is...

Just like Sharpe he's also been around the block and has full knowlege what "no confidence" can do to a QB.

He may say "do your job" but thats it if you read between the lines its basically saying "honor your contract and you'll be ok until the situation resolves itself one way or the other."

I think Jay is wise to do that, not only that he requested a trade in saying "if your not gonna be strait with me, then I got no reason to be in a Org with a bunch of lying fools." then to keep his promise to go with Mand mini-camps and preseason which is also saying "You may break your word...that is fine if you do so, but I wont break mine thats on this contract."

Don't get me wrong, I want Jay here. But if the heads are going to be , Its strictly business. Then Jay can play his hand too. I hope to god he's a Bronco when it's all said and done.

He comes back, a few turnovers by the defense that he converts to TD's. All will be forgiven.

[BroncoKazuki]

Don't get me wrong, I want Jay here. But if the heads are going to be , Its strictly business. Then Jay can play his hand too. I hope to god he's a Bronco when it's all said and done.

He comes back, a few turnovers by the defense that he converts to TD's. All will be forgiven.

Thats the thing he is going to play this year and I think he'll play with a chip on his shoulder trying to prove something to McDaniles.

what gets me is that Josh said "The system is very Quarterback friendly" and there was a clip of that on NFL.network

So something doesnt add up and if Josh is gonna play that 'its a business' card then he should have seen everything that was going to happen beforehand going in prepared.

ulg this is just stupid I just hope somehow this gets resolved and the best way is to send Josh packing ASAP just firing him on his incompetence alone

[BroncoKazuki]

Meh. I guess it varies per person. If I was making 2 million or whatever, I would shut up and play. That's just me.

Wonder how much of that stress will build up before you have a heart attack due to always worrying.


Rule 1 of anyone going to work no matter how much $$$ you make.

You do what you love and love what you do. If what you love starts to cause more pain then its not worth it, move on and find somewhere else you can do what you love to do.

[acpell671]

Martz: I think that Josh will love Jay as a player

Didn't see this posted. There's more on Leinart & Young. Click the link to read the rest. Enjoy!

Q&A: Assessing troubled QB class of ’06

By Jason Cole, Yahoo! Sports
Mar 18, 12:33 pm EDT

The past seven months have been brutal for the once highly touted 2006 NFL draft class of quarterbacks.


From Matt Leinart’s failure to seize a starting job that the Arizona Cardinals wanted him to win to Vince Young’s meltdown in the season opener with the Tennessee Titans and Jay Cutler demanding this week to be traded by the Denver Broncos, none of the three seem to be on any type of normal career path after three seasons.


The questions for each are obvious: Can their situations be fixed and if so, what’s the solution?


With that in mind, Yahoo! Sports talked to former St. Louis Rams head coach Mike Martz and a current offensive coordinator with an NFL team who didn’t want to be identified about the future of each. Here’s a look at what they thought of each player …


Martz: “I really think the thing with Jay and [Broncos coach] Josh [McDaniels] isn’t an issue at all. To me, it’s more about the posturing that goes on, probably from people around Jay, like his agent. Really, that stuff happens all the time in the NFL and you just deal with it. You get in a room with just the quarterback and the coach and you start to talk about what you’re going to do, what’s the offense going to be and all of a sudden that stuff fixes itself … it’s like with Kurt [Warner] in St. Louis. His wife got involved in it on a radio program and it made news, but that was a short-term thing and it gets resolved pretty quickly.


Things haven’t gotten much better for Cutler since the season-ending loss to San Diego.


“To be honest, I think that Jay and Josh will work really well together once they’re able to sit down, away from other people, and just talk about football … Whether it’s the agent, management or the media, a lot of this stuff can take on a life of its own that really doesn’t matter once the player and the coach sit down and talk about the system, what the practices are going to be like, all of that stuff.


“I think that Josh will love Jay as a player when they finally are able to do that. I love Jay Cutler. When he was coming out in the draft, really, I was enraptured by his talent. I thought he was really, really special. We brought him in to Detroit before the draft and I talked to him for a long time. I like his makeup. I think he’s physically tough and mentally tough. I think he’s got everything you want in a quarterback.


“Yes, trust is a crucial part of the coach-quarterback relationship. No question, it’s all about trust. But that trust will develop. I know people are saying that Josh wanted to get Matt Cassel, but I think that if Jay and Josh give it time working together, there will be trust. Really, it would be different if this happened a year from now after they’d had a year to work together. If that were the case, then you could see there’s a problem. But that’s not where this is right now.”


Offensive coordinator: “I agree that Cutler’s agent [Bus Cook] is driving this problem a lot. I’m not sure that I buy that Cook was the problem with what happened in Green Bay [where Cook client Brett Favre and the Packers went through an ugly divorce] or Tennessee [where Cook client Steve McNair and the Titans also parted on bad terms]. In both of those, the teams clearly wanted to go another direction. That wasn’t going to be pretty.


“But in Denver, this is one where Cook needs to be calming the situation, not feeding it. The Broncos have built that team around Cutler. They have Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal and a good tight end [Tony Scheffler] if he can stay healthy. If you’re an agent for a quarterback with those guys, you keep him there because your quarterback has a chance to win and make a lot of money.


“To me, the owner [Pat Bowlen] has to tell the player, ‘You’re not going anywhere and that’s it.’ All this wishy washy crap about how they might trade him if they get a young quarterback or whatever, that’s ridiculous. It just feeds the frenzy. We’re talking about a franchise quarterback. This guy is the real deal when it comes to pure talent … Yeah, he has some issues that bug you. He’s kind of surly, from what I hear, and not a great leader yet and I emphasize yet because he was a great leader at Vanderbilt. All that stuff between him and Philip Rivers is just a waste of time. As a coach, you’re saying to yourself, ‘Who cares?’ But you know that there’s jealousy out there. If it makes him work harder, hey, that’s not a bad thing.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AnzZJzu_30M5az_XPUDZFJBDubYF?slug=jc-2006qbclass031809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[osubroncos86]

I've always liked Woody Page, and I agree with him 100%. It will be a very dark day if Jay does indeed get traded.