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  • Gideon333
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    Originally posted by Pura Vida View Post
    Youre a moron. If you have read any of my posts Ive said time and time again that I pray and hope I am wrong. If McDaniels succeeds I'll be the happiest crow eatin so.b. on these boards.

    learn how to read.

    Also, please quit quoting dragster. This board has been such a more pleasant place since I placed him on my ignore list.

    Now you can go back to your private closet with your picture of the coach. I promise, you wont get hair on your palms.
    Whoa Dude ??? Sounds like the voice of personal experience and WAAAAAAAAY too much time(?) on your hands. Let's keep your personal habits out of it - TOO MUCH INFO - LOL :go:

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  • Lilrush
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    Originally posted by OTF View Post
    It appears that they do! It is kind of like Cutler before McDaniel was "a God" and now "he sucks". Now Orton is supposedly better then Cutler, McDaniel is better then Shanahan and Smith can tackle.
    Seriously, go away and take Vida with you. Why are you here and not in the smack section? Way to stay on point, by the way. What a goof.

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  • broncobruj
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    Originally posted by Sequence View Post
    One dimension not mentioned here is CB play against the run. While Smith may be short-ish, his run-D tackling skills are solid. So, Ive said it once and Ill say it again:

    Id rather have a shorter CB with solid, consistent tackling skills rather than a taller CB who lacks this ability.
    I LOL'd...you do realize that when a 215+ lb back meets a 180 lb small corner, he's gonna get run over right? One of the huge knocks on him besides the size, poor vert, and slow speed, was his inability to knock receivers off their routes...how do you expect him to be out in the open field? LOL

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  • OTF
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    Originally posted by Pura Vida View Post
    The biggest knock on smith other than his height, substandard 40 or avg vertical was his poor tackling. Do some of you guys just make this stuff up as you go?
    It appears that they do! It is kind of like Cutler before McDaniel was "a God" and now "he sucks". Now Orton is supposedly better then Cutler, McDaniel is better then Shanahan and Smith can tackle.

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  • Pura Vida
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    Originally posted by Sequence View Post
    One dimension not mentioned here is CB play against the run. While Smith may be short-ish, his run-D tackling skills are solid. So, Ive said it once and Ill say it again:

    Id rather have a shorter CB with solid, consistent tackling skills rather than a taller CB who lacks this ability.
    The biggest knock on smith other than his height, substandard 40 or avg vertical was his poor tackling. Do some of you guys just make this stuff up as you go?

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  • Rockies3384
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    If tall corners are what every team needs, why isnt Lenny Walls still on the squad.....? He was the tallest corner in the NFL 5-6 years back.

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  • Sequence
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    One dimension not mentioned here is CB play against the run. While Smith may be short-ish, his run-D tackling skills are solid. So, Ive said it once and Ill say it again:

    Id rather have a shorter CB with solid, consistent tackling skills rather than a taller CB who lacks this ability.

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  • Pura Vida
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    Youre a moron. If you have read any of my posts Ive said time and time again that I pray and hope I am wrong. If McDaniels succeeds I'll be the happiest crow eatin so.b. on these boards.

    learn how to read.

    Also, please quit quoting dragster. This board has been such a more pleasant place since I placed him on my ignore list.

    Now you can go back to your private closet with your picture of the coach. I promise, you wont get hair on your palms.

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  • Gideon333
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    Originally posted by [B
    Pure Hater[/B];2796825]I think mCD would have gotten a mulligan year, but he potentially lost it with his head scratching decisions. If the following happens- Mcd is done after one.

    1. Denver goes 4-12 or worse
    2. Cutler gets the bears into the playoffs or makes the pro bowl.
    3. Seattle ends up with a top 5 pick.

    I dont see how even those with the massive mcd man crushes could not call for him to be fired if this happens.
    All your hopin' and prayin' won't make it happen - Your name should be "Pure Hater" and its gonna suck being you when McDaniels succeeds here LOL

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  • dragster69
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    Originally posted by Pura Vida View Post
    I think mCD would have gotten a mulligan year, but he potentially lost it with his head scratching decisions. If the following happens- Mcd is done after one.

    1. Denver goes 4-12 or worse
    2. Cutler gets the bears into the playoffs or makes the pro bowl.
    3. Seattle ends up with a top 5 pick.

    I dont see how even those with the massive mcd man crushes could not call for him to be fired if this happens.
    1- Denver goes 10-6
    2- Cutler sets and NFL record in INT's and demands a trade
    3- Chicago ends up 4-12 or worse. Denver gets 1st pick in the draft

    I don't see how even those with massive cutler man crushes, could not see that coming with his head-scratching decisions on the field

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  • Pura Vida
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    Originally posted by dizzolve View Post
    no.

    JMD gets a mulligan 1st year.
    I think mCD would have gotten a mulligan year, but he potentially lost it with his head scratching decisions. If the following happens- Mcd is done after one.

    1. Denver goes 4-12 or worse
    2. Cutler gets the bears into the playoffs or makes the pro bowl.
    3. Seattle ends up with a top 5 pick.

    I dont see how even those with the massive mcd man crushes could not call for him to be fired if this happens.

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  • #24 Next Champ
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    Originally posted by OTF View Post
    So catching a forty yard catch is not doing "jack"? Fact is that Heyward-Bey slowed down even running backwards and Smith struggled to keep up. A forty yard catch is a forty yard catch and with a decent throw by the QB this play would have looked exactly like this one.

    That's because Smith played the ball badly, he should've had an int, I would've caught dat ****, but I've also misplayed a couple, never in a game haha thank god, but I know how it is, sometimes you just misjudge it, but point bein, he ran stride for stride, look at the speed, I don't see any seperation, till smith started to play the ball, and messed up...

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  • jhildebrand
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    I just posted this in the smack thread in response to a Raider fan.
    http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...3&postcount=62

    As for his height and size, what are you trying to insinuate? He is listed at 5'9"!
    Eric Allen -5'10"

    Ronde Barber - 5'10"

    DeAngelo Hall 5'10"

    Sam Madison, Ty Law, Walt Harris, Al Harris, Deltha Oneal, Rod Woodson- 5'11

    Darrell Green 5'9"

    A CB/DB just needs to play big! Think of Darrent Williams he played big and he was 5'8"!
    Many more were the same height!

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  • Eric Fetzer
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    Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan View Post
    This article is flawed in my opinion, though I like it's premise...not judging a CB purely on his size. However, it is not an objective article, but rather a fan fluff piece.

    We just watched Larry Fitzgerald outjump CB after CB last postseason as the Cardinals made their run to the Superbowl. And, as the article has mentioned, Randy Moss has been doing it for years. But, the article likes to claim Moss is the anomaly, that's incorrect. Plaxxico Burress has been a famous jump ball guy his entire career, when he was released, Eli Manning begged for another WR with size to be signed/drafted. Ben Roethlisberger did the same thing the year before. There are plenty more such as Andre Johnson, Marques Colston, Vincent Jackson, Braylon Edwards, TJ Houshmanzadeh, Calvin Johnson, and even Terrell Owens. If we move to Tight Ends, Tony Gonzalez and Antonio Gates both became famous for out-jumping opponents for the ball, especially in the red zone, and much was made of their previous basketball experience. And their teams threw that jump ball an awful lot over the years.

    The reality is that height and the jump ball is a prominent aspect of football as we know it. Darrell Green might have been great in the past, but its a fact that athlete's are now taller, have more mass, and are faster than the athlete's from the previous century. WRs also jump higher now among other athletic measureables.

    The reality is that Alphonso Smith, or Darrell Green in his prime, would not be able to defend today's 6'2 or taller WR/TE with a decent vertical. What's more though, is they will not be asked to do so in the red zone, which is where the jump ball is most commonly displayed. Now, on a 50 yard fly pattern? There are so many more variables at stake for a "bomb" that rarely does it become a jump ball, though it happens enough to not be rare. Fans of football watched Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald put on a clinic concerning the jump ball last year, while Randy Moss and Braylon Edwards did so the year before. When a short CB with average vertical ability finds himself playing across from one of these types of WRs, the team has to give him help over the top from a Safety with size. Now, in regards to 5-10 yard out patterns and slants? Those are more timing related with YAC a concern so a jump ball is not often sought, but on 3rd down, an out pattern to move the sticks is another common sight to see a shorter CB picked on. We'll need to be prepared for that.

    And in the end, that is the end. Alphonso's lack of height and questionable vertical ability (32 inch vertical which is not impressive for a CB) mean he will never be asked to match up with a jump ball calibur receiver/TE. Does this mean he can't be a #1 or #2 CB? No. It just means when we play a receiver with those types of skills, he'll need help over the top, or doubling in the red zone. It's an annoyance, and it's definitely a detriment. The fact Smith only has 31 inch arms doesn't help either. But the guy has talent and against most NFL WRs, he can match up nicely. His intangibles and ball skills are incredible. But the article remains a fluff piece. His 5'8 height alone hurts him, and it greatly limits his use against jump balls to taller, more athletic athletes, but the big problem is that Smith isn't that fast (4.53 40), he can't jump that high, he isn't very strong (13 reps), he has average length arms at best, AND he's short. However, if you do play him as a pure slot nickelback, all of that is erased because he's going against smaller, quicker WRs and that's where he shines.

    I loved the Alphonso Smith draft trade and selection. You have to have a dynamic nickelback in the NFL these days, and he can easily start outside as well if you give him some help against certain types of WRs and offenses. But to dismiss the lack of height and other physical attributes is not being objective. Smith is a flawed CB, and he has limits, just like everyone else. The tall WR and jump ball is absolutely a big one. Luckily, and the underlying point throughout the article, playing CB in the NFL requires much more than being able to defend tall WRs. Also, and again, there are studies that show teams are in their nickel packages over 50% of the time. That means the nickelback is a defensive starter in reality. A key position. As far as ideal nickelbacks go, Smith is the prototypes. *If* that's all he ever is, having a top nickelback when the Superbowl likely goes through New England and Wes Welker, is not a bad thing at all. Identify Smith's strengths, accept his flaws, and lets not try to gloss over either.
    Completely agree with you point of view. Hieght is not a attribute to underestimate for an NFL CB. Its a big deal.

    You speak of how important a nickel CB is for a denfense. Do you think that Alphoso Smith is worthy of a 1st round pick based on his skill set and team need?

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  • Broncosojia
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    Originally posted by OTF View Post
    Funny... You are a missed FG away from losing 3 out of the last 4 games against the Raiders.
    And you are a blocked FG away from losing 10 out of the last 12 games against us.

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