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    http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12975406



    Here's hoping Peyton Hillis isn't so polite should he run over a hulking outside linebacker come September.

    As the Broncos got physical Saturday afternoon on the second day of training camp, it was Hillis, a 240-pound fullback-tailback hybrid who delivered the biggest blow.

    In a one-on-one tackling drill, Hillis bulldozed outside linebacker Tim Crowder, leaving Crowder — who has 3 inches and 20 pounds on Hillis — lying in the grass for a minute trying to catch his breath.

    "It hurts me to see a guy laying there. It just breaks my heart, because you never know what's going to happen," Hillis said. "You don't know what kind of injury he has. I'm glad he got up and was playing the rest of the time."

    Meanwhile, a
    more spirited and evenly matched battle was taking place on the other side of the practice field between wide receiver Brandon Marshall and safety Josh Barrett, who first fired up an on-field rivalry Friday.

    On the first of three matchups, Barrett easily wrapped up Marshall and pulled the receiver to the ground. On the third, Marshall got around the edge and all Barrett could grab was a bit of jersey.

    Who won the second? Depends on who you ask.

    "Josh and I kind of have a thing going," Marshall said. "He got me the first time, but I think I got the next two."

    Several practice observers saw Barrett make the tackle, but Barrett wasn't boasting.

    "I'm not here to judge. I'll give it to him, though, if he says he won," Barrett said. "He's a beast. You have to have a different mind-set because he's big, he's physical and he's going to try to run you over. You know that going into it, but then again, you can't back down. You've got to hold your ground."

    The Broncos rarely — if ever — participated in full tackling drills when Mike Shanahan was their head coach. But new coach Josh McDaniels said he likes to use the drills from time to time so the players are frequently working on the fundamentals of tackling.

    "You certainly don't want to go into your first game not having tackled someone or having been tackled," McDaniels said. "It's good for them to feel the contact and to also start working on their techniques and fundamentals.

    "Tackling sounds like a simple thing, but it's really not when you have big men running full speed. You've got to wrap your arms and do a lot of little things to get him down."

    Hillis said the live tackling drills are also a way for players to prove themselves to the coaches.

    "I think it's about improving yourself and showing coaches how tough and physical you can be. I hope I can show that and they can see that out of me," Hillis said. "When it comes down to it, you're a certain type of person and that type of person for me is to be physical.
    Im of two minds here. First, our tackling was ATROCIOUS last year. Partly due to personnel, partly do to Shannys soft practices.

    BUT, I really dont want our guys totally banged up BEFORE the season starts.

    What do you guys think? Where is the middle ground here?
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    Originally posted by McSmashie View Post
    http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12975406





    Im of two minds here. First, our tackling was ATROCIOUS last year. Partly due to personnel, partly do to Shannys soft practices.

    BUT, I really dont want our guys totally banged up BEFORE the season starts.

    What do you guys think? Where is the middle ground here?
    I doubt the Ravens got to be one of the most feared defenses in the league by never tackling in practice. Same goes for the Steelers, Eagles, Bears, etc. Dawkins said they did more intense tackling drills than this in Philly, and they never seemed banged up for the start of the season. Tough practices breeds tough players. It weeds those out too soft or too injury prone to play in a top 5 defense. You can have all the talent in the world, but if you don't like to hit people and get hit, you don't have a place on ANY NFL defense.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Hoserman117 View Post
      I doubt the Ravens got to be one of the most feared defenses in the league by never tackling in practice. Same goes for the Steelers, Eagles, Bears, etc. Dawkins said they did more intense tackling drills than this in Philly, and they never seemed banged up for the start of the season. Tough practices breeds tough players. It weeds those out too soft or too injury prone to play in a top 5 defense. You can have all the talent in the world, but if you don't like to hit people and get hit, you don't have a place on ANY NFL defense.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by McSmashie View Post
        http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12975406





        Im of two minds here. First, our tackling was ATROCIOUS last year. Partly due to personnel, partly do to Shannys soft practices.

        BUT, I really dont want our guys totally banged up BEFORE the season starts.

        What do you guys think? Where is the middle ground here?
        I agree with the first part only so much you can do to polish a turd ...

        No middle ground ... I'm sure they have a eye on how hard they can push the practices and players... early going why not get after it and ease up the more they see want they want ...
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        • #5
          I think you have to practice hard to play hard. Injuries are part of the game. Powell had a season ending injury during OTAs, Torain broke his elbow landing awkwardly during Shanahan's light practice sessions. There is no escape. I prefer to see the guys getting used to hitting and tackling because the other teams will have no mercy. It was painful to watch our defense trying to make tackles last season.
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          • #6
            Did anyone see Burtons brutal hit on C.J Jones (i think) he just crushed him.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 15thebeast View Post
              Did anyone see Burtons brutal hit on C.J Jones (i think) he just crushed him.
              Yeah, that was diesel. Did you see Josh Barrett absolutley destroy BMarsh? But then BMarsh got right back at Barrett.

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              • #8
                Some say that if you're not going 100% -that too can set the table for injuries. Who knows, you probably are not going to avoid it one way or the other and if you are not durable enough to hack it, now is a better time to know about it then after we choose our 53
                The beatings will continue until morale improves....

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                • #9
                  That's right!

                  Originally posted by dizzolve View Post
                  Some say that if you're not going 100% -that too can set the table for injuries. Who knows, you probably are not going to avoid it one way or the other and if you are not durable enough to hack it, now is a better time to know about it then after we choose our 53
                  On the football field anyone not going full speed will be inevitably blown up.:salute!:
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Hoserman117 View Post
                    I doubt the Ravens got to be one of the most feared defenses in the league by never tackling in practice. Same goes for the Steelers, Eagles, Bears, etc. Dawkins said they did more intense tackling drills than this in Philly, and they never seemed banged up for the start of the season. Tough practices breeds tough players. It weeds those out too soft or too injury prone to play in a top 5 defense. You can have all the talent in the world, but if you don't like to hit people and get hit, you don't have a place on ANY NFL defense.
                    couldnt say it better myself .. kudos
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by samparnell View Post
                      On the football field anyone not going full speed will be inevitably blown up.:salute!:
                      Somestimes you get blown up even when you are going full speed.

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                      • #12
                        Its great to see no one holding back because when i played MLB the one thing my coach kept telling me was 'your more likely to get hurt if you dont go in 100%'

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                        • #13
                          This is really good, So many missed tackles last year. SOOO MANY
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by McSmashie View Post
                            Somestimes you get blown up even when you are going full speed.

                            That's true, that's true, but you have to admit that it's worse getting blown up when not at full speed.

                            Not getting blown up when not at full speed sets dangerous precedent. :salute!:
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by McSmashie View Post
                              http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12975406





                              Im of two minds here. First, our tackling was ATROCIOUS last year. Partly due to personnel, partly do to Shannys soft practices.

                              BUT, I really dont want our guys totally banged up BEFORE the season starts.

                              What do you guys think? Where is the middle ground here?
                              There is no middle ground here! AWhatso EVER! This defense cannot tackle!!! PERIOD! Has anybody watched their old tapes of the games the last three season? Has ANYONE REALLY been paying attention AT ALL???

                              When there is a lot of CLOWNS on here, attempting to blame the coaches, offense, lack of running game , defensive line, make EXCUSES for Dre Bly, when all it really boils down to, is the 2007 and 2008 Denver Broncos defenses were some of the WORST defenses I have seen in 35 years of watchin NFL football, and the tackling was comical at best!

                              So yes. There is a plenty of blame to go around. But these Players absolutely HAVE to get tougher, and HAVE to learn how to TACKLE, or here we go again with another 8-8 or worse season.

                              Is this just me, or is it Priority #1????:go:
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