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    The first preseason game of 2009 has been played. Most Bronco fans came away encouraged by offensive and defensive upgrades, but the overwhelming impressions many have of the game were formed by Orton’s three interceptions...





    Kyle Orton's Broncos Debut: Was It Really That Bad?
    by Randy Garcia (Scribe)



    The first preseason game of 2009 has been played. Most Bronco fans came away encouraged by offensive and defensive upgrades, but the overwhelming impressions many have of the game were formed by Orton’s three interceptions. Are they harbingers of football doom or merely the growing pains of a new system?

    Clearly every Bronco fan was excited by the beginning of Denver’s first offensive drive. Orton went 7-of-8 in marching the Broncos from their own 28-yard line to the San Francisco 4. Then the wheels came off.

    Orton’s first pass into the end zone was a bad read on his part. Instead of throwing the ball right to Daniel Graham, Orton led him into coverage. The result was an interception.

    The next drive saw the 49ers ramp up their defensive coverage. Orton was 1-of-3 before making another bad read over the middle, when Dre Bly stepped in front of Brandon Stokley.

    Orton’s very next pass was a slightly underthrown 24-yard pass down the sideline. Jabar Gaffney was open in an area about five yards behind the deep-zone defender and five yards past a mid-zone defender. Orton clearly underthrew the ball because he was worried about the deep defender coming up on Gaffney, leaving the ball just short enough for the athletic young Reggie Smith to make a great play on a third pick.

    For the half, Orton went 9-of-16 for 89 yards with three interceptions. Should Denver fans be out in the streets with torches and pitchforks? Maybe not.

    Last year Orton threw no interceptions in nine of the 15 games he played in. Orton’s worst season was his rookie season when he threw only 13 interceptions.

    A comparison of quarterbacks who had similar numbers of attempts last year shows Orton’s 12 interceptions as comparable with other quarterbacks like Tony Romo, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan, and others. Orton actually threw more touchdowns in 2008 than highly touted young quarterbacks Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco as well.

    Since the Cutler trade, much has been heard about Orton’s tendency to throw interceptions, but the statistics show something very different. Why is this?

    There could be a simple reason.

    Chicago fans had a Super Bowl team in 2006 largely led by a strong defense. The huge dropoff they had in 2007 and 2008 are usually blamed on Brian Griese and Kyle Orton, but both of those quarterbacks actually outperformed Grossman’s Super Bowl run effort.

    The fact is that Chicago’s defense wasn’t as strong in the years after 2006 but because the quarterbacks they had weren’t winning games the passers got the blame. Orton, in particular, partly because he was so inexperienced, became a popular scapegoat, his every mistake magnified.

    Orton’s own efficiency added to this perception. Though he only threw interceptions in six games, he threw two interceptions in four of those games and three interceptions in one of them.

    All but one of those multiple-interception games in 2008 were games in which Orton was sacked three or more times. In fact, Orton only throws three interceptions during the entire season in games in which he is sacked less than three times, that's only three interceptions in 11 games. This suggests that, when under pressure, Orton can be forced into bad decisions, but if he is given time he can be very efficient.

    During the first Bronco preseason game, Orton was not only not sacked but hardly saw any significant pressure. He’ll see more pressure during the year but nothing like what he saw in Chicago.

    His only obstacles are going to be learning the offensive system and getting used to his receivers. Give him time to develop rapport with his receivers, and the stats suggest that we’ll see very few mistakes over the course of the year.
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  • #2
    We can only hope. Still, Mcdaniels is going to ask Orton to do things CHI never dreamed of asking him.

    What bothered me with the first INT was that he was lazy. It was a play-action.... He didn't sell the run. Barely even made the attempt to do so.

    Orton had ZERO pressure and he still threw 3 picks. Imagine what he'll do under pressure?

    Orton will excel with the underneath routes... But any throw over 20 yards is a potential disaster.

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    • #3
      I hope he improves. Then again I've been told that potential is a french word meaning "not yet worth a damn"...™
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      • #4
        I'm not so sure we can look at Orton's past stats and project them out into McD's system. After all, Chicago ran a very conservative ball control type of offense that was predicated on good defense, special teams and field position. Putting him in McD's system is like throwing the keys to a bus driver and asking him to win the Daytona 500.

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        • #5
          We have been chompin' for any sort of football and that is why everyone's up in arms about his performance last night. The only preseason I can recall that something stood out so clear was when we could not stop the run and Shanny simply labeled it a "vanilla D". Then the real season began and that was actually what our D was about. I can't ever recall a preseason game specifically, nor the preseason record from years past. If Orton continues to throw INT's throughout the preseason, Simms will fill in. Give it time.

          The creativity we saw during the first quarter was refreshing, and it will only amplify during a regular season game. There are many positives to take away from the game, and it seems as though McD is committed to our Broncos succeeding.:salute!:

          Trivia Question - Which team was the only one to go undefeated last year during the preseason?

          Give it time and the sky is not falling anytime soon. :salute!:
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          • #6
            Originally posted by sendacash View Post
            I'm not so sure we can look at Orton's past stats and project them out into McD's system. After all, Chicago ran a very conservative ball control type of offense that was predicated on good defense, special teams and field position. Putting him in McD's system is like throwing the keys to a bus driver and asking him to win the Daytona 500.

            Orton is a smart enough "bus driver" to drop the keys and use the ignition switch for that NASCAR race....meaning he'll be able to adjust as necessary to get the job done. Orton will play within McDaniel's system and will get better as the season goes on. The Daytone 500 is not the ultimate goal, being the Points Champion at the end of the season is. Same way with all sports....it's not how you start, it's how you finish that matters most.
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            • #7
              Awesome article!!! I for one aren't freaking out about any preseason game.


              If this happened 3 games into the season then that would be a different story. 0-3 and Chris Simms is going in.


              But I feel that Kyle Orton is going to do very good this year. I think he will throw for 3500 yards and 28 TD's and 8 Int's.

              Remember - Rome was't built in 1 day!!!

              Go Broncos!!!!

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              • #8
                It was just 1 game, his first as a Bronco, but yes, it was THAT bad. He was horrible, no article will change that.
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                • #9
                  off with his head
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by 203KillinSpree View Post
                    Then the wheels came off.
                    The wheels came off, it ran out of gas, the windows shattered and the motor blew...

                    Originally posted by 203KillinSpree View Post
                    Orton actually threw more touchdowns in 2008 than highly touted young quarterbacks Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco as well.
                    Wow he threw more TD's then a couple rookies, interesting...

                    Originally posted by 203KillinSpree View Post
                    This suggests that, when under pressure, Orton can be forced into bad decisions, but if he is given time he can be very efficient.
                    What effin qb can't do well if given time to throw? I wished to the high heavens that I got paid to write garbage like this. A complete "don't hate Orton" article.

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                    • #11
                      Honestly the weakness of his arm put me off a little from him. I'd rather have a guy like Simms step in and be the starter IF he proves to be better than Orton. In the end, I want the best guy to start, I just hope it's Simms.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Shiz View Post
                        We have been chompin' for any sort of football and that is why everyone's up in arms about his performance last night. The only preseason I can recall that something stood out so clear was when we could not stop the run and Shanny simply labeled it a "vanilla D". Then the real season began and that was actually what our D was about. I can't ever recall a preseason game specifically, nor the preseason record from years past. If Orton continues to throw INT's throughout the preseason, Simms will fill in. Give it time.

                        The creativity we saw during the first quarter was refreshing, and it will only amplify during a regular season game. There are many positives to take away from the game, and it seems as though McD is committed to our Broncos succeeding.:salute!:

                        Trivia Question - Which team was the only one to go undefeated last year duting the preseason?

                        Give it time and the sky is not falling anytime soon. :salute!:


                        The Detroit Lions and they also went 0-16 in the regular season lol haha.......
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hoserman117 View Post
                          Honestly the weakness of his arm put me off a little from him. I'd rather have a guy like Simms step in and be the starter IF he proves to be better than Orton. In the end, I want the best guy to start, I just hope it's Simms.
                          At this point I'm really pulling for Simms myself. I agree with you about which ever QB gives us the best chance to win I am going to support.


                          It was just so depressing to see that Orton threw them INT's. I was really hoping that he would have proved everyone wrong that has been bashing him but oh well.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Hoserman117 View Post
                            Honestly the weakness of his arm put me off a little from him. I'd rather have a guy like Simms step in and be the starter IF he proves to be better than Orton. In the end, I want the best guy to start, I just hope it's Simms.
                            I agree, Orton's arm is average at best and some of his good passes were not all that accurate either, he's just never going to be very good at the deep outs/seems and fitting the ball into tight windows.

                            I expect Orton to improve but I'm pulling for Simms to earn the job.......

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