The Case for Kyle Orton

[BroncsSB#3]

I meant the Holy Stokley, not the game winning drives.

I believe you're correct on the count.

Consider this, however.

Cutler has been a starter for 2.5 years. Orton for 1.

The Bears are a defensively potent team that until recently had few offensive weapons of any kind, and an absolutely horrible offensive line (which is why they have three new starters this season). That team is used to playing a close game from an established lead and grinding it out to let the defense win the game.

The Broncos on the other hand, had no defense what-so-ever, and were constantly in shoot-outs where often the game was won by whichever team had the ball last.

Taking all of that into account, I'm not at all surprised that these are the number of game winning drives for each quarterback.

Kyle started 33 games for the Bears.

Cutler started 38 games for the Broncos.

[CoryWinget81]

Kyle Orton? He could be your hero....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrBUfmfXJJs

[nmfiredawg]

I didn't read all the posts here about Orton, but for one I am an optimist on his performance and where we are going to go as a team. I think once the team gets in sync we are going to be a good team. I told people that before the season that we would be at least 9-7 and I still believe it. Orton has some strengths and weaknesses, but we need to stand behind him. He is our starting quarterback, and seems to lead well. Again no interceptions good QB rating.

In my fantasy league I took him as a backup because I believe in him, If I would have started him I would have had more points then I did with P Manning, and Rothy.

I am not a part of the army yet, since I don't post here often, but as the season goes on we will see how far he comes.

Funny read some Chicago forum posts and it seems the same as here, more fans that see the glass half empty then half full.

[iowabronco24]

Orton is not going to be our franchise QB that is obvious, some people have bad judgement in talent and have cheap opinions. I think the better thing to do right now if get Chris Simms starting as the QB, I think he will be able to move the ball down the field better then Orton. He is also more mobile and willing to take a wahck unlike Orton who sees pressure and folds. Orton doesn't even make a extra move to buy time I find it sickening. Denver got lucky, but its very possible we can start the season 3-0. The critics will not give Denver respect anyone unless they beat two elite teams in the middle of their schedule.

I wouldn't mind Simms, but I'd also point out that a lot of people on Denvers offense need to step up and not just Kyle Orton. Marshall is still rusty or just doesn't care, hopefully just rust. We need him to start playing like the Bmarsh we all know and love. The o line has to get some holes opened for our RBs as well. I really think if McD uses Hillis our offense will be much better, at least much more productive.

[Rarelyoffended]

Orton is not going to be our franchise QB that is obvious, some people have bad judgement in talent and have cheap opinions. I think the better thing to do right now if get Chris Simms starting as the QB, I think he will be able to move the ball down the field better then Orton. He is also more mobile and willing to take a wahck unlike Orton who sees pressure and folds. Orton doesn't even make a extra move to buy time I find it sickening. Denver got lucky, but its very possible we can start the season 3-0. The critics will not give Denver respect anyone unless they beat two elite teams in the middle of their schedule.

[iowabronco24]

I'm pretty sure that no QB can afford to turn the ball over. Just ask JC. He's getting murdered by the Chicago fans and many Broncos fans too, when I distinctly remember Elway having similar performances early in his career. But then again, Elway got hammered by the press/fans early in his career too. I even remember a lot of people saying that he should leave town after the three SB losses. Sure glad the internet wasn't around back then. Al Gore hadn't gotten around to inventing it just yet

Good point, turnovers do kill teams. I guess my point was that Kyle really isn't the kind of QB that is going to win a shootout. Think about last game, if Kyle had just one interception or fumble, we probably lose that game. I'm not completely sold on our defense either. I think they will be pretty damn productive though if we don't turn the ball over, like most defenses would I suppose. I guess I'm just saying that the margin of error is probably smaller this year for us because we haven't proven we can score very much points, but that doesn't mean we can't still win games. If we don't turn the ball over, and the D plays solid, we can win games, they just might be a little closer than people would like.

[Tarquin]

I do have a knack for remembering random stats.

I meant the Holy Stokley, not the game winning drives.

I believe you're correct on the count.

Consider this, however.

Cutler has been a starter for 2.5 years. Orton for 1.

The Bears are a defensively potent team that until recently had few offensive weapons of any kind, and an absolutely horrible offensive line (which is why they have three new starters this season). That team is used to playing a close game from an established lead and grinding it out to let the defense win the game.

The Broncos on the other hand, had no defense what-so-ever, and were constantly in shoot-outs where often the game was won by whichever team had the ball last.

Taking all of that into account, I'm not at all surprised that these are the number of game winning drives for each quarterback.

[floridabroncos]

My case, he doesn't turn the ball over..at least not yet. I'm not going to lie, Kyle really can't afford to turn the ball over, but if he continues not too, I can see us winning a lot of games. Yes, our offense is going to have to get better, but that isn't all on Kyle Orton, its on every1. There were plenty of guys that could have played better last Sunday.

I'm pretty sure that no QB can afford to turn the ball over. Just ask JC. He's getting murdered by the Chicago fans and many Broncos fans too, when I distinctly remember Elway having similar performances early in his career. But then again, Elway got hammered by the press/fans early in his career too. I even remember a lot of people saying that he should leave town after the three SB losses. Sure glad the internet wasn't around back then. Al Gore hadn't gotten around to inventing it just yet

[floridabroncos]

You see a lot of those do you?

I do have a knack for remembering random stats. I have the game DVR'd so I can go back and double check, but I do remember thinking, wow, that's a low number. Cutler's stat was flashed in the late game and it was 7 IIRC. I also remember that Chicago had one pass play of 30 yards or more last year (completion to Devin Hester IIRC). I'm sure if I wasn't so tired, I could dredge up about 30 other random stats that I saw from various games. Like I said, I have a lot of weak areas, but remembering random stats from any game I see is not one of them.

[iowabronco24]

My case, he doesn't turn the ball over..at least not yet. I'm not going to lie, Kyle really can't afford to turn the ball over, but if he continues not too, I can see us winning a lot of games. Yes, our offense is going to have to get better, but that isn't all on Kyle Orton, its on every1. There were plenty of guys that could have played better last Sunday.

[Tarquin]

The stat flashed in the game indicated he only had two game winning drives in his career. I guess he's got three now. So that begs the question, were the other two Holy Stokley's too?

You see a lot of those do you?

[floridabroncos]

that is not the kind of QB Orton is because he HAS made the last minute drives down the field to win, clutch passing and all.

The stat flashed in the game indicated he only had two game winning drives in his career. I guess he's got three now. So that begs the question, were the other two Holy Stokley's too?

[Tarquin]

what part of 6 points in 59 minutes is good.

Oh, I don't know... Maybe the part about how he didn't give up any points by throwing four picks to the other team in that span like some people might?

Aloha, I would like to state some points of mine. First of all, I do not hate or dislike Kyle Orton at all. But, I do believe that you are wrong in underthrowing balls.

Okay. You can have that stance if you want it.

If it at all what you have said would be logic at all by underthrowing your receivers when they have beaten the coverage is true, Then wouldn't that give the defender a better chance of intercepting the ball?

No. As we saw on the play where he went deep to Marshall, beating a receiver doesn't always mean "down the field." Sometimes they're running left to right or diagonally. Even so, if our receiver is in front it's easier for him to stop and wait for the ball than it is for the DB.

The DB has to know the ball is in the air, but since he's watching the receiver and trying to play catch-up, it's hard to see. Then the DB has to know the trajectory of the ball which really isn't likely, and be able to adapt to it with his head turned backwards. He also has to do this faster than the wide receiver.

So really... No. The receiver still has the advantage regardless as long as the DB is beat and isn't in good position to watch both the receiver and see the ball coming at the same time, which is usually the case. This is especially true with very fast and agile receivers such as Royal, or flat out big and strong receivers such as Marshall.

Second, Please do not use the "HE had a thingamabob on his hand" excuse. I do not blame him for that, But, if he was having trouble throwing with that thing on his hand, Then he should have informed the coach of the problem.

The coach knew about the problem. I think the result was that the coach felt a wounded Kyle Orton was better than a healthy Tom Brandstater.

But, If that were the case then i am pretty sure that Coach Mcdaniels would have pulled & benched him right away.

Throwing with a recently dislocated primary index finger, in a cast, in a glove, certainly does have an affect. It's clear that McDaniels felt that Orton with this issue was better than Brandstater.

[broncojuan]

Part of being a fan is having faith in your team. You can't say "I hope I'm wrong" after tirelessly arguing that you are right throughout the several other threads I've read your posts in. Yes, you've been a fan longer than I've been alive, but that's completely irrelevant in this situation.

Just giving some examples, we have this, this, and this to support my statement. By all means, support your case if you'd like. I'm all ears.

So if I'm reading this right what you're saying is I can't wish for one thing and expect another? I'm going to have to disagree, and I'll give you an example.

What I want is to wake up tomorrow to find out that Hugh Hefner is my long lost father and he wants to groom me to take over the family business. What I think is going to happen is I'll wake up pack mine and my wife's lunch, go to work, go to school then come home go to sleep and start it all over again. See I want one but I'm pretty sure I'm going to get the other.

Of course I want the Broncos to do well, I don't shell out my hard earned credit every year because I want them to lose. I just don't believe in this coach, his system, or his QB. So I don't think they will.

I will also admit that when I first started coming I didn't totally understand the point of the boards. So I'll stand by about 3/4 of the stuff I've said, including the examples you posted, I just found another win since I posted the 4-12, but when I said it I believed it.

[CoryWinget81]

Are those the only 2 options? That sucks

I like Kyle, but I'd be all for some Matt Ryan on this team. Or someone like that.

The only thing I know is, I don't want any more cocky rifle armed gunslingers. They are fun to watch sometimes, but hard to win with. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Farve won 1 SB, but name another gunslinger in that mold that has?

I want a smart, turnover free or infrequent QB that will play the game the way he's coached to.