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  • SI - The Young and the Tactless (Thoughts?)

    I read this article this morning and couldn't help notice how this article mainly focused on McDaniels for this topic.

    Please read and comment. :salute!:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...1264/index.htm

    October 19, 2009
    The Young And The Tactless
    Why are so many new NFL coaches such boorish tyrants?
    STEFAN FATSIS

    A pinch of tobacco bumping his bottom lip, Browns head coach Eric Mangini makes players stand and answer questions during team meetings. Which training facility wall is decorated with a quotation from Sun Tzu? What's our long snapper's name and number? How long has Jeff Fisher coached the Tennessee Titans? Answer correctly and—well, you'd better answer correctly.

    Just when you thought NFL coaches couldn't get any less likable, a crop of young know-it-alls is taking the league by scowl. In Denver, 33-year-old Josh McDaniels made rookies report to training camp at 5:30 a.m. to practice comedy skits. In Kansas City, Todd Haley, 42, started an argument with a Pro Bowl lineman who had flown in to introduce himself. Mangini, 38, made headlines after asking rookies to take a 10-hour bus ride to work at his summer football camp and, last month, fining a player $1,701 for failing to pay for a $3 bottle of water from a hotel minibar.

    Mangini, McDaniels and Haley aren't the first coaches to believe that intimidation, humiliation and a hail of f bombs are the secrets to NFL success. But in a Gen Y league in the age of Obama, vein-popping outbursts and foot-high motivational tropes seem eye-rollingly old school. Players and fans born in the last half century might be tempted to ask a question of their own: Why are these guys such jerks?

    The gridiron tyrant has been a stock character for generations. The game's militaristic nature, the thinking goes, demands an ironfisted leader—a field general! In the popular imagination Green Bay legend Vince Lombardi was the founding bully. But although Lombardi had a temper and an ego, "He also had a strong sense of team as family," says David Maraniss, author of the biography When Pride Still Mattered. "He was not afraid to use the word love, and he used it a lot." Today's distant, playbook-obsessed workaholic, Marannis says, flows more directly from Lombardi's fellow 1950s New York Giants assistant Tom Landry, who would win two Super Bowls in Dallas.

    The dominant theory is that coaches don't fall far from the tree. So descendants of the late Bill Walsh (Fisher, Tony Dungy) tend to be calm and deliberate. Descendants of Bill Parcells (Haley, Mangini) are punishing and condescending. Descendants of Bill Belichick (McDaniels, Mangini again) are known as secretive and unsmiling. The younger the coach, the more likely he is to emulate his mentor shout for shout, hoodie for hoodie. "These guys have not had time to form a philosophy, so they have to lean on somebody else's," retired coach **** Vermeil says.

    Consider McDaniels, who apprenticed for eight seasons under Belichick. After arriving in Denver, McDaniels alienated—and traded—a Pro Bowl quarterback and cut veterans without even the courtesy of a face-to-face meeting. He replaced efficient operations installed over 14 years by two-time Super Bowl winner Mike Shanahan—an autocrat but no malicious despot—with those he learned from his old boss. He even scrapped a brand-new, $450,000 video system because it wasn't what New England used. Some Broncos employees joke privately that the team should be renamed the Denver Patriots.

    Belichick can operate his way—behind closed doors and with a sour public puss—because he has three Super Bowl rings and leaguewide intellectual cachet. McDaniels doesn't. So why not start with a more humble approach? The Psych 101 answer is that new coaches want to appear bold and tough. So Kansas City's Haley explodes in profanity at players. McDaniels berates players and, like Mangini, gives pop quizzes. The idea: Fear and shame produce motivation and improvement. Does it work? "It just makes players miserable," one NFL veteran says.

    Bob Mayer, a former Green Beret who writes books about leadership, says coaches get military authority backward, viewing players as infantrymen—interchangeable and replaceable—rather than as Special Forces elites. Mayer says coaches typically demand respect as a condition of employment. Instead, they should award respect up front and challenge players not to lose it. "A lot of these younger coaches are operating off a World War II mind-set," Mayer says. "They're about 60 years out of date."

    The system is partly to blame. As they climb the NFL ladder, coaches spend thousands of hours deconstructing video and diagramming plays. They become football experts. But they don't learn how to manage people or navigate the many issues and characters that beg for a head coach's attention. Turf, video, equipment, training, medical and travel operations. Salary caps and contract negotiations. The media onslaught and public relations. A racially, socially and economically diverse workforce. A chief financial officer. A billionaire owner. "A lot of assistant coaches, the only time they deal with the front office is to get their paycheck and make sure their insurance is up to date," says Ted Sundquist, a former Broncos G.M. "The system doesn't create leaders."

    Of course, coaches sometimes succeed anyway. Mangini is vilified in Cleveland, but he was Mangenius when he led the Jets to the playoffs in 2006. After a hot start in Denver—including a 20--17 Grumpy Bowl victory over Belichick on Sunday—McDaniels has morphed from arrogant kid to wunderkind. Regardless of record, though, the ends don't necessarily justify the means. The Broncos might be 5--0 even if the coach treated his underlings more humanely. And the Browns might not be 1--4.
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  • #2
    I think at the end of last game following the fist pumps, him jumping into Kenny Peterson's arms and the hugs with Marshall have to show just how big of a ruthless idiot McDaniels really is. It's obvious his players hate him.
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    • #3
      Considering the Broncos are 5-0 he should have left McD out and talked more about the new coaches who are not doing so well. Like TB and how they fired their O-Cord right before the season started.

      All people are going to do now is look at what McD did and say "hmm maybe we should do that too, he traded Cutler and it still worked for him"

      Btw that is more a reflection of what other people will think not me. Personally I do not think we would be 5-0 with Cutler. Orton has been working hard to learn the system since the day after we got him and I doubt Cutler would put in that kind of work.

      When the QB is doing that then other players are much more likely to follow his example.

      Our team would not be working as hard or as accountable with Cutler imo.
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      • #4
        Just when you thought NFL coaches couldn't get any less likable, a crop of young know-it-alls is taking the league by scowl. In Denver, 33-year-old Josh McDaniels made rookies report to training camp at 5:30 a.m. to practice comedy skits. In Kansas City, Todd Haley, 42, started an argument with a Pro Bowl lineman who had flown in to introduce himself. Mangini, 38, made headlines after asking rookies to take a 10-hour bus ride to work at his summer football camp and, last month, fining a player $1,701 for failing to pay for a $3 bottle of water from a hotel minibar.
        How does having some fun with rookies compare with instantly arguing with Pro Bowl players or fining players ridiculous amounts comparatively speaking?

        Trying to find something out of nothing in order to add additional substance to your article.
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        • #5
          THis article is

          All the players, including Marshall, have come out in support of McD. Just another example of the media trying to make a problem where there is none.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Shiz View Post
            How does having some fun with rookies compare with instantly arguing with Pro Bowl players or fining players ridiculous amounts comparatively speaking?

            Trying to find something out of nothing in order to add additional substance to your article.
            Aye this article is garbage. Dude should probably write for home and garden, and stop assuming he knows what's going on in these organizations.

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            • #7
              Rookies in every sport have to report a lot earlier than the veterans. There is nothing cruel or demeaning about it. You have to earn the right to show up later. That's just how it's always been
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              • #8
                The gridiron tyrant has been a stock character for generations. The game's militaristic nature, the thinking goes, demands an ironfisted leader—a field general! In the popular imagination Green Bay legend Vince Lombardi was the founding bully. But although Lombardi had a temper and an ego, "He also had a strong sense of team as family," says David Maraniss, author of the biography When Pride Still Mattered. "He was not afraid to use the word love, and he used it a lot." Today's distant, playbook-obsessed workaholic, Marannis says, flows more directly from Lombardi's fellow 1950s New York Giants assistant Tom Landry, who would win two Super Bowls in Dallas.

                Thanks SI, this is a perfect example of why I dont subscribe or even frequent your website. These writers should do a little research instead of quoting unnamed sources and scouring blogs as their only form of insight. Its amazing how few journalists or analysts have accountability. If all goes well, this writer will be writing an article at the end of the season titles: "McDaniel's tough nosed approach proves to be a winner".

                I highlighted the quote about using the word "love" because if the writer even went so far as to just got to the Bronco's website he could see that McD has used the word LOVE in several press conferences - "we love the fans, and we hope they love us" after the last game. He said something about loving BM, and that he loves all his players and hopes that they feel the same way about him - after beating Dallas.

                One other thing that chaps my hide: what other system is McD supposed to install if not the Patriots? Is he supposed to copy Shannahan, would that be better? Could you imagine the headlines siting his lack of originality? Is he supposed to invent a brand new offense? Is every first time head coach supposed to invent a new offense? or will they bring what they've learned, especially when its been insanely successful? Almost anytime you do something for the first time, you have to emulate something.

                If you've read my posts before, you know I dont mind this type of anti-Bronco stuff, I think it helps our team. The offseason attacks solidified this locker room. But when its clear that the writer is just trying to stir the pot, it gets annoying. Sorry for venting, but it just the way I feel.
                Remember: If you dont feed the trolls - they will go away! Neither logic nor a compelling argument will make a difference.

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                • #9
                  Article is completely off base. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

                  Bullying players making them answer questions??? Oh No, the end of the world. We can't pick on those big strong men now can we.
                  Seriously, this is like criticizing a teacher for making his/her students take a quiz.

                  Why make them answer questions about the organization and opposing teams?? Simple, to keep their minds focused and studious.

                  Why yell or chew out others?? Because they screwed up and needed a wake up call.


                  Yeah, reading that is 3 minutes I'll never get back

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                  • #10
                    assinine!

                    look at where they are as teams......

                    st louis
                    tennessee
                    raiders
                    tampa bay
                    cleveland

                    all but tenn have new coaches but who's doing well and who's not? I dont think the broncos are 5-0 because their coach is green and doesnt know how to treat his players:salute!:
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bronco_Hyde View Post
                      Article is completely off base. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

                      Bullying players making them answer questions??? Oh No, the end of the world. We can't pick on those big strong men now can we.
                      Seriously, this is like criticizing a teacher for making his/her students take a quiz.

                      Why make them answer questions about the organization and opposing teams?? Simple, to keep their minds focused and studious.

                      Why yell or chew out others?? Because they screwed up and needed a wake up call.


                      Yeah, reading that is 3 minutes I'll never get back
                      hey it gave me a chuckle.....sometimes its fun to read stuff people write when they dont have a clue what they are talking about
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                      • #12
                        He leaves out the fist pupms, the hugging of Marshall after the 51 yard TD, the jumping into petersons arms, the fact after Baileys INT against dallas he ran up to McDaniels and hugged him saying "I got it for you", When after a win the unquestioned leader of our team Dawkins was hugging him and calling him Sir not out of fear but out of respect. When McDaniels was being asked about his and Marshalls hug during his press conference after the game and marshall walked out only to hug him again when they were smiling and laughing about it and the press loved it.

                        This reporter is a tool who was doing nothing more than writing a bad story. I feel like he was telling his friends what he heard and didn't actually check his facts. I don't know why but this story just doesn't have any creditability with me.

                        "Consider McDaniels, who apprenticed for eight seasons under Belichick. After arriving in Denver, McDaniels alienated—and traded—a Pro Bowl quarterback and cut veterans without even the courtesy of a face-to-face meeting. He replaced efficient operations installed over 14 years by two-time Super Bowl winner Mike Shanahan—an autocrat but no malicious despot—with those he learned from his old boss. He even scrapped a brand-new, $450,000 video system because it wasn't what New England used. Some Broncos employees joke privately that the team should be renamed the Denver Patriots."


                        ^^^ WERE 5-0!! This guy must not be that smart, because is the NFL that means something! Those efficient operations had us win 1 playoff game since 1998, and had us on a string of not making the playoffs for a couple years in a row. And that

                        "Some Broncos employees joke privately that the team should be renamed the Denver Patriots." line, just feels so much like he made that up to TRY and make his story stronger. Its a sad attempt at an article and I just hope he was up against a deadline or something, because if he had plenty of time to write that, well he should be fired.
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                        • #13
                          This guy doesn't know the first thing about JMcD. I bet the author is young too and definatley tactless.

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                          • #14
                            With a last name like Fatsis, it is obvious that the author of this piece is dealing with some issues from his early years (come on FAT SIS; that is too easy). Heck, with that last name he is probably dealing with some issues from his current years.

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                            • #15
                              Iron Fist or Velvet Glove?

                              One thing that has been shown time and again is that you can always ratchet things back, but its tough to ratchet things up.

                              Look - McD might have been tough and uncompromising in the offseason, but he has softened up a bit (like giving the guys Monday off this week). You can go from tough to a little softer and people will buy it. It doesnt work the other way around.

                              Look at the situation in Dallas - Wade Phillips came in as everyone's buddy. Now its time for him to bring the hammer down, but he cant do it, he doesnt have the cred bcz he's been too soft. If he tried to get tough all of a sudden, no one would buy in.
                              Remember: If you dont feed the trolls - they will go away! Neither logic nor a compelling argument will make a difference.

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