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    What's one of the advantages of the 3-4 defense? Being able to disguise where the 4th rusher is coming from. In order for the Broncos to disguise where the 4th rusher is coming from, they've apparently sometimes been dropping a lineman into coverage and sending either a linebacker or a safety because Dumervil is always one of the rushers. When the offense is trying to figure out who's rushing, they know Dumervil is going to be one of the rushers.

    If Ayers starts to become an effective pass rusher, could that mean the Broncos would be willing to let Dumervil walk? Dumervil has already admitted that Ayers drops into coverage better than he does. If Ayers becomes the versatile linebacker that they are hoping he will become, where does that leave Dumervil? Ayers is the back up weak side outside linebacker which would seem to indicate that that's where he would play if he ever becomes a starter. Why else would he be the back up at that spot. I suppose it's possible that he's the primary back up for both outside spots but is only listed as the weak side back up while Reid is listed as the strong side back up. I don't think that's the case though. With Ayers' ability to play the run and drop back into coverage, it would seem that the only thing holding him back is his pass rushing. If he gets that going, maybe Dumervil becomes nothing more than a pass rushing specialist. Unfortunately, if Dumervil continues to get sacks, it's going to be hard to keep him around, perhaps even if he ends up being a restricted free agent because of the fact that there is no CBA.

    I think a lot of Dumervil fans might be setting themselves up for disappointment thinking that Ayers is eventually going to move into the starting strong side outside linebacker spot. Ayers is getting better according to the coaches. The question is, how soon does he start making the coaches think about him as a starter? If it's later this season, which starter gets moved to second team status? If it's Haggan, then why isn't Ayers currently listed as his back up? Is it because Ayers is thought of as a better weak side linebacker than Reid? If Ayers is considered better on both sides, why doesn't the depth chart reflect that by having Ayers listed as the primary back up at both positions?

    I guess it's very possible that Ayers would eventually take over on the strong side. It seems that just about every 3-4 defense has an OLB that is a pass rusher that rarely, if ever, drops into coverage. That would maintain a spot for Dumervil on the weak side. It just seems to me that if the Broncos want to stay true to what the 3-4 offers in terms of versatility and disguise, they would want an OLB on both sides that can drop into coverage and be an effective pass rusher.
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  • #2
    McD loves Dumervil and realizes how UNIQUE he is...I just heard about a guy on the VIkings like 6'8 400lbs....he couldn't handle Doom

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    • #3
      Well thought out but why would we just let one of our 4 LB's go. Doom needs a new contract now, Ayers won't even be expecting one for 3-4 years (can't be bothered looking at his rookie contract). Either way, more won't be the issue in this instance as they are starting and finishing contracts around the game time, in turn making the Sal Cap impact very minor.

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      • #4
        I would hope that McD and Xanders realize how good of a football player DOOM is and give him his money. I thinkwe should lock him up and have him coming off the weakside for many years, we will find a spot for Ayers soon enough!

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        • #5
          Why wouldn't he want to resign Doom and just put Ayers in Haggan's spot? Instead of only having 1 good threat, let's have 2.
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          • #6
            Dumervil is not always rushing. He is dropping into coverage like when he tackled Cribbs and forced a fumble.
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            • #7
              ?

              Why have one, when you can have both..

              How bout that lol.



              Either way, I expect Doom and Haggan to be our starters this year and Next year, untill '11 when Ayers finally comes into his own as a full time 3-4 OLB opposite Doom.

              After then I see both getting double digit sacks together for many years, being the most formidible OLB tandem in the NFL :go:

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Papa-pwn View Post
                ?

                Why have one, when you can have both..

                How bout that lol.



                Either way, I expect Doom and Haggan to be our starters this year and Next year, untill '11 when Ayers finally comes into his own as a full time 3-4 OLB opposite Doom.

                After then I see both getting double digit sacks together for many years, being the most formidible OLB tandem in the NFL :go:
                That's what I was thinking.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by broncolee View Post
                  What's one of the advantages of the 3-4 defense? Being able to disguise where the 4th rusher is coming from. In order for the Broncos to disguise where the 4th rusher is coming from, they've apparently sometimes been dropping a lineman into coverage and sending either a linebacker or a safety because Dumervil is always one of the rushers. When the offense is trying to figure out who's rushing, they know Dumervil is going to be one of the rushers.

                  If Ayers starts to become an effective pass rusher, could that mean the Broncos would be willing to let Dumervil walk? Dumervil has already admitted that Ayers drops into coverage better than he does. If Ayers becomes the versatile linebacker that they are hoping he will become, where does that leave Dumervil? Ayers is the back up weak side outside linebacker which would seem to indicate that that's where he would play if he ever becomes a starter. Why else would he be the back up at that spot. I suppose it's possible that he's the primary back up for both outside spots but is only listed as the weak side back up while Reid is listed as the strong side back up. I don't think that's the case though. With Ayers' ability to play the run and drop back into coverage, it would seem that the only thing holding him back is his pass rushing. If he gets that going, maybe Dumervil becomes nothing more than a pass rushing specialist. Unfortunately, if Dumervil continues to get sacks, it's going to be hard to keep him around, perhaps even if he ends up being a restricted free agent because of the fact that there is no CBA.

                  I think a lot of Dumervil fans might be setting themselves up for disappointment thinking that Ayers is eventually going to move into the starting strong side outside linebacker spot. Ayers is getting better according to the coaches. The question is, how soon does he start making the coaches think about him as a starter? If it's later this season, which starter gets moved to second team status? If it's Haggan, then why isn't Ayers currently listed as his back up? Is it because Ayers is thought of as a better weak side linebacker than Reid? If Ayers is considered better on both sides, why doesn't the depth chart reflect that by having Ayers listed as the primary back up at both positions?

                  I guess it's very possible that Ayers would eventually take over on the strong side. It seems that just about every 3-4 defense has an OLB that is a pass rusher that rarely, if ever, drops into coverage. That would maintain a spot for Dumervil on the weak side. It just seems to me that if the Broncos want to stay true to what the 3-4 offers in terms of versatility and disguise, they would want an OLB on both sides that can drop into coverage and be an effective pass rusher.
                  you thought that one out pretty good didnt ya?

                  but in the short answer no absolutely not....

                  but then again mcdaniels knows more then I do and he has made some weird moves but they worked out....

                  but most likely NO

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                  • #10
                    The 3-4 defense is much more effective when you can bring pressure form anywhere. You need 2 solid OLBs. Look at what Pittsburgh did with Harrison and Woodley last year. You can never have enough guys to rush the passer. I would love to see D.J. blitz more from the middle this year.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Papa-pwn View Post
                      ?

                      Why have one, when you can have both..

                      How bout that lol.



                      Either way, I expect Doom and Haggan to be our starters this year and Next year, untill '11 when Ayers finally comes into his own as a full time 3-4 OLB opposite Doom.

                      After then I see both getting double digit sacks together for many years, being the most formidible OLB tandem in the NFL :go:
                      Could of not said that better myself. Great post!! :salute!:
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Papa-pwn View Post
                        Either way, I expect Doom and Haggan to be our starters this year and Next year, untill '11 when Ayers finally comes into his own as a full time 3-4 OLB opposite Doom.
                        i dunno. i think ayers takes the job much sooner, at least by next season. maybe it's just me, but i seem to remember seeing #56 a lot more than #57 lately... especially in the nickel packages

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DenverSpark View Post
                          Why wouldn't he want to resign Doom and just put Ayers in Haggan's spot? Instead of only having 1 good threat, let's have 2.
                          That's just it though. McDaniels has said that Dumervil is hardly ever going backward, which means that the vast majority of the time, he's rushing the passer. How do the Broncos get two good pass rushers in their base package? Is it by replacing Haggan or is it by replacing Dumervil? How often is Haggan rushing the passer vs dropping into coverage? With Dumervil rushing as much as he is, it probably means that Haggan isn't getting many chances to rush the passer. If you put Ayers on the weak side, perhaps Haggan and Ayers can get a bit more of an even split of who rushes and who drops into coverage. Perhaps Haggan would be an effective pass rusher if there was someone on the other side that could drop into coverage. If offenses can't be relatively certain of which one is coming, that could give the Broncos a little bit more of an advantage.

                          I don't care what combination they use. If it's Ayers and Dumervil or Ayers and Haggan. I just know that a player that's drafted in the first round is expected to eventually be a starter and there's already talk about Ayers getting better at playing his position. If he lives up to his billing, he's going to need a spot on the starting lineup. I don't care which side it's on or who has to be demoted or let go for it to happen.
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                          • #14
                            why keep marshall when we got royal? why keep clady while we got harris? this isn't the QB position, theres plenty of reps (and two starting jobs) to go around. we'd be an absolute nightmare for opposing teams if dumervil keeps doing how hes doing and ayers comes even close to that production.
                            disclaimer: if the above post appears to contain outrageously illogical content, ITS PROBABLY SARCASM

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                            • #15
                              Why not just let him take Haggans spot?

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