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  • Kavu
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    He is too young

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  • Pratama
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    Originally posted by Uptown View Post
    I would take Emmit Smith over most RB's and he ran a slower 40 than moreno but he was a great every down back and an elite.

    The split time of 1.52 says moreno explodes up to 20 yards. In fact Moreno is the perfect back for our dink and dunk system since his abilities are more within short range running, which burns the clock. Better to get many 8-10 yrd runs than a single long burst in our offensive scheme.

    Will you change your mind if mo gets a big run or two this season?
    Nice! (ten characters)

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  • Pratama
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    Originally posted by badaxe View Post
    I don't quibble with drafting Moreno in Round 1 @ #12. Lord knows we were all growing weary of RB by committee. I have been watching football since the 60's myself and Moreno is a good back, but not a player you "mail in" as a starter year in/out.

    The reason he's not a lock to be in the lineup, is he's not a stud broken field runner. (Watch Brandon Marshall run after the catch to see what I mean). He can't outrun guys to the corner then dust them enroute to the end zone.

    He's a nice back, who has done well as a rookie. He looks to have a future in the NFL but will never be an elite back as he is not gifted with outright footspeed, super field vision, or great hands.

    He looks pretty ordinary to me, but here's hoping he runs wild vs. da Raida's.
    I actually think that because of the emphasis on "mistake free" football and being careful, Moreno is hemmed in a bit. I don't think Turner or McD want him to run wild and try hurdling over players like he did at Georgia. First he has to learn to run "their" way. . . then once he has proven himself, he can add a bit of his running style to the mix.

    The encouraging thing is, he has gotten a lot of carries, taken a pounding and is proving durable. He still has a lot to learn, no doubt. I often hear that in college you run through holes, in the NFL you run through seams - - so he will need to adjust (and our current O-Line isnt doing him any favors).

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  • Uptown
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    Originally posted by badaxe View Post
    I don't quibble with drafting Moreno in Round 1 @ #12. Lord knows we were all growing weary of RB by committee. I have been watching football since the 60's myself and Moreno is a good back, but not a player you "mail in" as a starter year in/out.

    The reason he's not a lock to be in the lineup, is he's not a stud broken field runner. (Watch Brandon Marshall run after the catch to see what I mean). He can't outrun guys to the corner then dust them enroute to the end zone.

    He's a nice back, who has done well as a rookie. He looks to have a future in the NFL but will never be an elite back as he is not gifted with outright footspeed, super field vision, or great hands.

    He looks pretty ordinary to me, but here's hoping he runs wild vs. da Raida's.
    I would take Emmit Smith over most RB's and he ran a slower 40 than moreno but he was a great every down back and an elite.

    The split time of 1.52 says moreno explodes up to 20 yards. In fact Moreno is the perfect back for our dink and dunk system since his abilities are more within short range running, which burns the clock. Better to get many 8-10 yrd runs than a single long burst in our offensive scheme.

    Will you change your mind if mo gets a big run or two this season?

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  • aznightmare
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    Originally posted by DJBirdman View Post
    My thinking on the stumbling in the colts game was that he might have just been gassed, he was running non stop with no one to relieve him. McD should have brought someone in to let him have a breather because he was in no shape to be the full time work horse ... yet
    I tell you what. Terrell Davis never gased out and always ran people over.

    That's a true RB. But im just having wishes Moreno could be like TD

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  • broncsfan21
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    I don't care if he is a big play back, mostly because, a lot of those guys will cost with a negative play for every big play. As long as Moreno gets over 4ypc, he will always get reps in this offense.

    Not what you want with 12th pick...or is it?

    Let the kid play, we don't have any control over it anyways...

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  • badaxe
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    More Moreno

    I don't quibble with drafting Moreno in Round 1 @ #12. Lord knows we were all growing weary of RB by committee. I have been watching football since the 60's myself and Moreno is a good back, but not a player you "mail in" as a starter year in/out.

    The reason he's not a lock to be in the lineup, is he's not a stud broken field runner. (Watch Brandon Marshall run after the catch to see what I mean). He can't outrun guys to the corner then dust them enroute to the end zone.

    He's a nice back, who has done well as a rookie. He looks to have a future in the NFL but will never be an elite back as he is not gifted with outright footspeed, super field vision, or great hands.

    He looks pretty ordinary to me, but here's hoping he runs wild vs. da Raida's.

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  • bucksnbroncs
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    Originally posted by Uptown View Post
    Wow Moreno is slow, weak, and dosnt have quickness...some of you are just untapped experts who need to be on the NFL network with your wisdom

    Yes, Moreno ran a 4.62 40 but he beat out Shonee Green and 11 other backs in his class. Plenty of good no track star backs have made their way through the NFL. Why? because top speed is not required to be a good back but cone drills are.

    Moreno is weak? Really he had more reps than Rey Rey Maualuga, Clay Mathews, Aaron Maybin, tied Aaron Curry w/ 25 and yes beat out our DT Chris Baker...no wonder he isnt playing much

    Knownshown was second overall in his class in the cone drill at 6.84. He beat out receivers Mike Wallace and our own Kenny Mckenley. He also beat phonzo Smith in the cone by far

    I dont know what game some of you are watching but Moreno is anything but slow. He explodes through holes and breaks plenty of tackles. the problem may be some of you arent looking very closely at the film because morenos runs dont last long between the tackles. He broke 3 tackles in the giants game to get in the endzone.

    When does a running back look like he's tripping? When defenders are diving for his feet. Take a look at film on Barry Sanders....

    Why would a running back be stumbing? Well other then the aformentioned tackle breaking maybe its a good way to get extra yards. Try tackling a wobbling dummy and see how much force you can get behind it....
    Dude, all you can do is this....:brick: :shake::brick:

    They truly are clueless. No rationale whatsoever. It is like a bad football religion!! Believe what they are told!! Most of these people watch a different game than I do! I swear!

    Guess some people lack the knowledge of football and how to EXECUTE! Like Coach jmcd said, Franco Harris couldn't have gotten a yard with that play". Hell, less than a year ago these same jackasses were wanting us to "draft a guy that will help us in the future"....now we're a good, young team that has a good mixture of vets and a winning record with a legitimate shot at the playoffs.

    And if they did/could/would watch and observe!! football they would realize that km runs very very hard...which may be why he is top 15 in all categories and has buck taking runs away. He is top 11 or 12 in yards per carry (4.1) compared to players with over 180 attempts!!!!!!

    He runs hard and if we get into the playoffs this team could be dangerous!! I believe that. They have to win one in postseason then I think they go crazy!! It could happen as easily as it couldn't happen!!

    GO !!!!

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  • golota
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    Moreno is very avg

    Originally posted by Uptown View Post
    Sorry but you have no point in suggesting a RB’s 40 time makes much of a difference in their ability. Apparently, you need to read up on cone drills and the 10 yard split (Moreno ran a 1.52, 1.55 and below is elite) also benched 25reps at 225lbs beating out high profile LB's that some folks here think we'd been better off drafting.....

    Really, the negative opinions here on Moreno are highly ignorant to say the least. Apparently, a 40 time is the only measurable for success being used around here...how is that working out for Darius Heyward Hayward Bey? Works for Al Davis, right?

    LT scored a 13 on his wonderlic and is stupid but made a great back...

    Moreno has a slow 40 time (average actually) but is a poor back because he has only 4.1 ypc and on a pace for a thousand yards.

    Waaaannnhhh why doesn’t Moreno have 15 touchdowns and 1500 yards like a number 12 pick should have…

    Blah blah blah I watched football since the sixties and I know what I am talking about….
    The main quality I like in Moreno is his effort. He never stops trying although he loses some concentration on his pass blocking.

    I think experience and speed is the reason why Buck has a way better ypc than Moreno.
    Knoshon is not fast enough to get outside and is on the small side for an inside runner. Avg moves. I just dont see what special qualities he has to be the 12th pick in the draft. Besides his cone drills of course. If Buck or Hillis had the same no. of carries as Moreno, they likely would be up over 1000 yds already, IMO.

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  • Uptown
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    Originally posted by golota View Post
    dont know much about cone drills but I have been watching football since the 60s. Dont know what Jim Browns cone drill time was.. But I do know that the only first round RB drafted who ran a 40 that slow in recent memory was Green in 2002 and he didnt turn out very good. Usually Rbs with that kinda time end up in the fourth round unless they are about 230 pounds.
    Sorry but you have no point in suggesting a RB’s 40 time makes much of a difference in their ability. Apparently, you need to read up on cone drills and the 10 yard split (Moreno ran a 1.52, 1.55 and below is elite) also benched 25reps at 225lbs beating out high profile LB's that some folks here think we'd been better off drafting.....

    Really, the negative opinions here on Moreno are highly ignorant to say the least. Apparently, a 40 time is the only measurable for success being used around here...how is that working out for Darius Heyward Hayward Bey? Works for Al Davis, right?

    LT scored a 13 on his wonderlic and is stupid but made a great back...

    Moreno has a slow 40 time (average actually) but is a poor back because he has only 4.1 ypc and on a pace for a thousand yards.

    Waaaannnhhh why doesn’t Moreno have 15 touchdowns and 1500 yards like a number 12 pick should have…

    Blah blah blah I watched football since the sixties and I know what I am talking about….

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  • golota
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    Moreno is not fast

    Originally posted by Uptown View Post
    Wow Moreno is slow, weak, and dosnt have quickness...some of you are just untapped experts who need to be on the NFL network with your wisdom

    Yes, Moreno ran a 4.62 40 but he beat out Shonee Green and 11 other backs in his class. Plenty of good no track star backs have made their way through the NFL. Why? because top speed is not required to be a good back but cone drills are.

    Moreno is weak? Really he had more reps than Rey Rey Maualuga, Clay Mathews, Aaron Maybin, tied Aaron Curry w/ 25 and yes beat out our DT Chris Baker...no wonder he isnt playing much

    Knownshown was second overall in his class in the cone drill at 6.84. He beat out receivers Mike Wallace and our own Kenny Mckenley. He also beat phonzo Smith in the cone by far

    I dont know what game some of you are watching but Moreno is anything but slow. He explodes through holes and breaks plenty of tackles. the problem may be some of you arent looking very closely at the film because morenos runs dont last long between the tackles. He broke 3 tackles in the giants game to get in the endzone.

    When does a running back look like he's tripping? When defenders are diving for his feet. Take a look at film on Barry Sanders....

    Why would a running back be stumbing? Well other then the aformentioned tackle breaking maybe its a good way to get extra yards. Try tackling a wobbling dummy and see how much force you can get behind it....
    dont know much about cone drills but I have been watching football since the 60s. Dont know what Jim Browns cone drill time was.. But I do know that the only first round RB drafted who ran a 40 that slow in recent memory was Green in 2002 and he didnt turn out very good. Usually Rbs with that kinda time end up in the fourth round unless they are about 230 pounds.

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  • Uptown
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    Wow Moreno is slow, weak, and dosnt have quickness...some of you are just untapped experts who need to be on the NFL network with your wisdom

    Yes, Moreno ran a 4.62 40 but he beat out Shonee Green and 11 other backs in his class. Plenty of good no track star backs have made their way through the NFL. Why? because top speed is not required to be a good back but cone drills are.

    Moreno is weak? Really he had more reps than Rey Rey Maualuga, Clay Mathews, Aaron Maybin, tied Aaron Curry w/ 25 and yes beat out our DT Chris Baker...no wonder he isnt playing much

    Knownshown was second overall in his class in the cone drill at 6.84. He beat out receivers Mike Wallace and our own Kenny Mckenley. He also beat phonzo Smith in the cone by far

    I dont know what game some of you are watching but Moreno is anything but slow. He explodes through holes and breaks plenty of tackles. the problem may be some of you arent looking very closely at the film because morenos runs dont last long between the tackles. He broke 3 tackles in the giants game to get in the endzone.

    When does a running back look like he's tripping? When defenders are diving for his feet. Take a look at film on Barry Sanders....

    Why would a running back be stumbing? Well other then the aformentioned tackle breaking maybe its a good way to get extra yards. Try tackling a wobbling dummy and see how much force you can get behind it....
    Last edited by Uptown; 12-18-2009, 05:12 PM.

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  • Shady980
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    Originally posted by golota View Post
    I wont say Hillis because you must hate him, instead HILLIS/BUCK combo with KNOSHO as a backup.
    HILLIS for between the tackles and Buck for outside runs. Buck has very good speed. Hillis is the best inside runner they have and has the best hands.

    As I said before, Moreno lacks speed to go outside and is too small for inside. Capable backup tho as he tries hard.(needs to improve his blocking)
    why does every thread have to become a Hillis debate....:brick:

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  • Shady980
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    Originally posted by Pratama View Post
    Knowshon will be fine and is going to be a great back for the Bronco's for years to come. I think a lot of people in here have hit on the reason he seems to fall, so I apologize if I repeat some.

    1) He has hit the rookie wall - - most college football players play 12-13 games in a season, and at that they are not as physical as games in the NFL. So by week 12-13 the "college" body is used to shutting it down, and in the NFL you are playing the most physical football. So he's fatigued.

    2) He's a rook, so he gets a little too excited and plays too fast so he ends up tripping himself up.

    3) He is overcompensating for his early season fumbles. . . so he has two hands over the ball as he crosses the line of scrimmage - throwing off his balance.

    4) McD is getting him used to being a "feature" back. So, he has to learn to stay in games rather than taking himself out because he is going to have to do that to be a "franchise" back. So, he has to be used to getting 20-30 carries per game, a few receptions per game and staying in to block on passing downs.

    5) He runs with a low pad level. . . this is crucial for two reasons. First, to avoid a negative play when you get hit at the line of scrimmage. Second, to avoid injury - - this was a problem (identified by many on these boards and at the combine) for Ryan Torain, and we all know how that turned out.
    I could not agree more. You hit the point right on the head. He has done very well for a rook. I expect much better next year and the year after that, but for a rookie season he has been impressive. I just hope that he has put the "butter hands" while crossing the line of scrimmage behind him.

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  • fraguela09
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    I don't want to rag on Moreno (b/c I like him and wanted us to draft him), but I have to admit I was ticked off last night watching M-Jones-Drew smash Brackett on the goalline and run through him for a TD....

    Just liek against US, Brackett came through the LOS and had MJD, but BAM! He manages to hit-n-squirm and wiggle his way into the endzone (TD).

    MJD also did it a few times on short yardage situations.

    Moreno is bull strong, but he hasn't learned how to get hit and still fall ahead for a yeard or two. Not consistently (or when it really matters).

    Oh well....

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