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  • #31
    Originally posted by JW7 View Post
    I just find it ridiculous that if a player says something positive about McD and the direction of the team, anti-McD people say, "what else is he supose to say?"

    That's a reach to me. I get your logic, but I feel that anything postive said you people automatically dismiss it, and anything negetive said is automatically correct.

    Take the hater shades off and start looking at things neutrally.
    What else IS he supposed to say?...

    He may actually believe what he says, he may not.

    We don't know. We likely never will as Clady is smart enough to be Politcally correct about it.

    Personally, if I had to guess I would ASSUME that he doesn't like where the team is going(at least the linemen portion) as he is more of a ZBS Olinemen drafted for the scheme, and Josh is implementing a scheme is he not as well suited for(or the rest of our Oline for that matter) in the PBS which is for bigger linemen.

    Not hating just giving my opinion on what hes likely really thinking.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by 22Bernard24 View Post
      What else IS he supposed to say?...

      He may actually believe what he says, he may not.

      We don't know. We likely never will as Clady is smart enough to be Politcally correct about it.

      Personally, if I had to guess I would ASSUME that he doesn't like where the team is going(at least the linemen portion) as he is more of a ZBS Olinemen drafted for the scheme, and Josh is implementing a scheme is he not as well suited for(or the rest of our Oline for that matter) in the PBS which is for bigger linemen.

      Not hating just giving my opinion on what hes likely really thinking.
      I understand that Clady is good for the ZBS, because he is quick on his feet. He also has the size and talent for the power blocking scheme. Is 6-6, 325 not big enough? Clady is a beast. The size needed for a power blocking scheme is needed mostly at the middle where upgrades will be made in the off-season.

      Although I loved Shannahan and his use of the ZBS, McDaniels is a different coach who wants to use his own system that broke records with the pats. I'm sure next year we will see a much more productive unit on both sides of the ball.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by JW7 View Post
        Although I loved Shannahan and his use of the ZBS, McDaniels is a different coach who wants to use his own system that broke records with the pats. I'm sure next year we will see a much more productive unit on both sides of the ball.
        One thing the Pats were not known for was having an amazing running game though. It all could very work out, the switch from ZBS to PBS is one of the least things I'm worried about tbh Clady is a beast in both I just think his forte is in the ZBS.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by 22Bernard24 View Post
          One thing the Pats were not known for was having an amazing running game though. It all could very work out, the switch from ZBS to PBS is one of the least things I'm worried about tbh Clady is a beast in both I just think his forte is in the ZBS.
          That's true, they did have an effiecient run game though. I admit that I loved our running game that we had over the years. From TD to Portis to Anderson, watching our run game and the play action pass we had was a pleasure to watch.

          We have a different regime now, although it is different it has also proven to be effective. Once McD gets his players in place I imagine that we will be extremely effective, that is why I am so optimistic about next year.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by JW7 View Post
            That's true, they did have an effiecient run game though. I admit that I loved our running game that we had over the years. From TD to Portis to Anderson, watching our run game and the play action pass we had was a pleasure to watch.

            We have a different regime now, although it is different it has also proven to be effective. Once McD gets his players in place I imagine that we will be extremely effective, that is why I am so optimistic about next year.
            My doubts are though that he will not find a Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and Tom Brady before its too late though.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by 22Bernard24 View Post
              One thing the Pats were not known for was having an amazing running game though. It all could very work out, the switch from ZBS to PBS is one of the least things I'm worried about tbh Clady is a beast in both I just think his forte is in the ZBS.
              Well, that's not entirely true, they were just so good at passing that their running game is often overlooked. They were very effective running the ball, and often in the top 10 in the NFL in that catagory.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by 22Bernard24 View Post
                My doubts are though that he will not find a Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and Tom Brady before its too late though.
                I understand your concerns, but you are talking about two of the NFL greats at their postions. I think Royal will be utilized more in a Wes Welker role. As much as people don't like Orton, I believe that he will improve drastically in his second season. This will be the first time in his career that he has had a coach that believed in him for consecutive seasons. Brady's 1st year as a started produced similar stats as Orton. Orton is not Brady, but I feel he will continue to improve in our QB friendly system as he gains more confidence.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by PowderAddict View Post
                  Well, that's not entirely true, they were just so good at passing that their running game is often overlooked. They were very effective running the ball, and often in the top 10 in the NFL in that catagory.
                  Very true, the passing game was so good i guess the running game was overlooked. I just wonder if he could have waited to switch the running game and fixed some other need first.(Like Dline or getting some youth in the secondary) all these things will be difficult to do in 1 offseason.

                  PBS wil help us and our woes in the redzone I'm sure though...

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by 22Bernard24 View Post
                    Very true, the passing game was so good i guess the running game was overlooked. I just wonder if he could have waited to switch the running game and fixed some other need first.(Like Dline or getting some youth in the secondary) all these things will be difficult to do in 1 offseason.

                    PBS wil help us and our woes in the redzone I'm sure though...
                    I don't understand this viewpoint that one, and one area only can be addressed in one offseason. Plus, McDaniels didn't just switch - in fact the arguement could be made that he did wait, as each starter in game 1 on the oline was the same starter in game 16 the year before.

                    The Broncos drafted 3 players in the secondary in the last draft, I'd say that's an infusion of youth. Baker was signed as an UDFA (some had him as a 4th to 5th round pick). The Broncos have enough cap space to sign some free agents, and enough draft picks to address both lines this year. The impact may not be immediate (especially for rookies).

                    I'm sure new holes will appear, others will take time to fill and for players to develop.

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                    • #40
                      Ok this is getting ridiculous, how many twist and turns does a conspiracy theory have, before you realize the jokes on you…..

                      The question is : What’s the difference between playing for Josh McDaniels as opposed to Mike Shannahan, cause you’ve had them both for a year?

                      Clady : “It’s a little different, I mean I feel like McDaniels is a great coach and he’s deffinately leading us in the right direction…..”

                      Somehow you members of the anti McD board, want to logically asses the answer to the question as a canned answer, because he, as a player, had no other choice but to answer that way?

                      SERIOUSLY ?!?!?!?!

                      Any answer could have been something other than “McDaniels is a GREAT COACH, and is LEADING us in the RIGHT direction”

                      Those are specific descriptions, and anyone skirting a question is a vague as humanly possible. Don’t you remember Brandon’s interviews at the beginning of the season?

                      An answer like: “They’re definitely unique in their own way, and each has their positives, and negatives”

                      That’s a way to skirt a question, without indulging further support….

                      I’m glad that NFL Network got the only guy on the team that likes McD to interview

                      If there would have been any hesitation dukes would have jumped on it like a shark on fresh blood, to expose the thought that Dukes was correct all along, and that McD was ruining the broncos.....
                      Last edited by owninit; 01-22-2010, 01:08 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by PowderAddict View Post
                        I don't understand this viewpoint that one, and one area only can be addressed in one offseason. Plus, McDaniels didn't just switch - in fact the arguement could be made that he did wait, as each starter in game 1 on the oline was the same starter in game 16 the year before.

                        The Broncos drafted 3 players in the secondary in the last draft, I'd say that's an infusion of youth. Baker was signed as an UDFA (some had him as a 4th to 5th round pick). The Broncos have enough cap space to sign some free agents, and enough draft picks to address both lines this year. The impact may not be immediate (especially for rookies).

                        I'm sure new holes will appear, others will take time to fill and for players to develop.
                        Baker might be good. Dude was a UDFA though and did he even play in a game this year? Hes a toss up could be good but we definetly STOLE him.

                        Alphonso Smith got beat out by a dude on our practice squad

                        McBath could be a good safety some day but IMO I think Bruton will just be a special teams player for most of his career, a very good one at that.

                        Champ and Goodman are both very old for cornerback, I think our needs go like this:

                        Interior Oline
                        Dline
                        CB
                        WR(this could change whether Bmarsh gets traded or not)
                        Extra RB to split carries with Moreno(Bucky is old and injury prone)
                        MLB
                        Playmakers of some kind of sort (like a Noel Devine or Jahvid Best...this is more of me wanting than a real need lol)
                        QB(for the future, a project most likely)

                        Thats lots of things to do in one offseason.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by 22Bernard24 View Post
                          One thing the Pats were not known for was having an amazing running game though. It all could very work out, the switch from ZBS to PBS is one of the least things I'm worried about tbh Clady is a beast in both I just think his forte is in the ZBS.
                          His forte is pass blocking...

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                          • #43
                            Wow he looks so much different without dreds, I didn't recognize him until his name appeared at the bottom of the screen.

                            That's awesome though, I've never seen him talk that much ever.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by owninit View Post
                              Ok this is getting ridiculous, how many twist and turns does a conspiracy theory have, before you realize the jokes on you…..

                              The question is : What’s the difference between playing for Josh McDaniels as opposed to Mike Shannahan, cause you’ve had them both for a year?

                              Clady : “It’s a little different, I mean I feel like McDaniels is a great coach and he’s deffinately leading us in the right direction…..”

                              Somehow you members of the anti McD board, want to logically asses the answer to the question as a canned answer, because he, as a player, had no other choice but to answer that way?

                              SERIOUSLY ?!?!?!?!

                              Any answer could have been something other than “McDaniels is a GREAT COACH, and is LEADING us in the RIGHT direction”

                              Those are specific descriptions, and anyone skirting a question is a vague as humanly possible. Don’t you remember Brandon’s interviews at the beginning of the season?

                              An answer like: “They’re definitely unique in their own way, and each has their positives, and negatives”

                              That’s a way to skirt a question, without indulging further support….

                              I’m glad that NFL Network got the only guy on the team that likes McD to interview

                              If there would have been any hesitation dukes would have jumped on it like a shark on fresh blood, to expose the thought that Dukes was correct all along, and that McD was ruining the broncos.....

                              I agree with you here. . . it just gets flat out ridiculous so that if anyone says anything positive about McD the response is always going to be "well they had to say that, what else would they say?" Therefore, the only time we can believe someone is when they trash McD. Then they are telling the truth - - even if they have a vested interest like getting a gazillion dollars and a new contract.
                              Remember: If you dont feed the trolls - they will go away! Neither logic nor a compelling argument will make a difference.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Twizlers View Post
                                Wow he looks so much different without dreds, I didn't recognize him until his name appeared at the bottom of the screen.

                                That's awesome though, I've never seen him talk that much ever.
                                I think Richard Seymour suggested the new hair-do
                                Remember: If you dont feed the trolls - they will go away! Neither logic nor a compelling argument will make a difference.

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