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  • #46
    Originally posted by Sparky The Sun Devil View Post
    The broncos will trade dumervile before they make him the highest paid. He is a liability on run defense. DWare got 6 yrs 72 million. Doom wont get that. I do think denver resigns him to big contract though
    I actually addressed that in my post on pg.1. But I agree and that's why we should sign him now and not wait till next year. If he has a 10+ sack year, it doesn't matter how much of a liability he is on run D. Besides all but 3 teams were split 65/35 pass/run. So he's only a ? on 1/3 of the snaps at the most extreme situation. He does one thing well whether he's in 3pt or 2pt and that's get upfield. And that will take him far come payday.
    #swapping

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    • #47
      ESPN reporting McDaniels is shopping Pat Bowlen!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      • #48
        Originally posted by jimelway View Post
        ESPN reporting McDaniels is shopping Pat Bowlen!!!!!!!!!!!!
        LOL yeah just dont trade him for Al Davis
        2016 Draft: http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...aft-Watch-list

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        • #49
          The real question should be...what busted up Patriot player will McNugget trade for with his new found draft picks?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by flosstein View Post
            What I was saying was if someone was to package a deal for Orton on draft day, I could see us bundling that pick to move up in the early 2nd or low 1st with someone else. As long as we either draft strong DL/LB's and OL's I'm good with everything else. I just don't want to see a blown pick by going for Dez, no matter how good he is. Because if he's that good in 3-4 years we'll be in the same situation that we were in with our former top 3 WR. Why go through the drama again?
            Are you implying that Dez Bryant is going to get arrested like 8 times in his first few years in the league like Marshall did, and cause us headaches? He's never had problems w/ the law.

            If Marshall didnt have a rap sheet we would be paying him that $4 year 47 million contract instead of miami. His production earned it. His off-field exploits didn't.

            If Dez Bryant came to Denver and put up similar numbers that marshall did the first 4 years without any legal issues you wouldn't want us to offer him a contract extension?

            I don't think the character concerns on Dez Bryant are legit enough to pass on him.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by cthroatgtr View Post
              The real question should be...what busted up Patriot player will McNugget trade for with his new found draft picks?
              I say either

              Brian Dawkins

              Justin Bannan

              Kyle Orton

              Brady Quinn

              Correll Buckhalter

              Jamal Williams

              Can we finally stop saying McDaniels only brings in former Patriots?

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              • #52
                Originally posted by LightningRodBob View Post
                Are you implying that Dez Bryant is going to get arrested like 8 times in his first few years in the league like Marshall did, and cause us headaches? He's never had problems w/ the law.

                If Marshall didnt have a rap sheet we would be paying him that $4 year 47 million contract instead of miami. His production earned it. His off-field exploits didn't.

                If Dez Bryant came to Denver and put up similar numbers that marshall did the first 4 years without any legal issues you wouldn't want us to offer him a contract extension?

                I don't think the character concerns on Dez Bryant are legit enough to pass on him.
                We didn't pony up the dough because of character issues. Big B is just not going to pony up best in class money anymore. If that were the case, our beloved OLB that has a proven 10 sack/yr average no matter where he lines up at would have a deal by now. So what I am saying is why go possibly go through that again? I don't care what his issues are, the point is he does have several character issues.
                #swapping

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by flosstein View Post
                  We didn't pony up the dough because of character issues. Big B is just not going to pony up best in class money anymore. If that were the case, our beloved OLB that has a proven 10 sack/yr average no matter where he lines up at would have a deal by now. So what I am saying is why go possibly go through that again? I don't care what his issues are, the point is he does have several character issues.
                  And that's where you are wrong. Of the 200 or so RFA, how many have signed a long term contract?

                  Is there going to be a lockout in 2011?

                  Will there be a CBA for 2011?

                  Mr. Bowlen is a business man.

                  He knows he can get by utilizing the rules set forth by the NFL to retain current players on his roster at discount rates. As it stands now, the Denver Broncos can RFA tender Elvis Dumervil this year and next year (roughly $6 million guaranteed), instead of investing $20 million guaranteed, and possibility of no NFL in 2011. NFL is a business and Mr. Bowlen wouldn't be where he is today, if he wasn't a prudent business man.

                  As for Elvis Dumervil, he is a Pass Rush Specialist. He couldn't stop the run to save his life. That is why he has no extension, yet. Now with a formidable and bigger DLine in front of him, it is time for Elvis Dumervil to put up or shut up vs. the run. No excuses. If he does, he may get his extension mid season.

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                  • #54
                    I don't know. Someone who doesn't want to be a Bronco and quits on his team. Why do people gloss over that? Marshall wanted one thing: a ticket out of town. I don't know why people can't accept that, and I don't know why fans would want to keep him around if he doesn't want to be here. He's the next TO, always looking for that next check, never happy with where he is.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Pura Vida View Post
                      The pattern is that we let go pro bowl players that are due a big raise.
                      That means dumervil or champ should be spooked.
                      Cutler had several years left on his contract.

                      Marshall had character issues.

                      Champ & Doom have both been solid team players.

                      That pattern doesn't exist...
                      "That's a crap question."
                      - Kyle Orton

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by BroncosTX77 View Post
                        And that's where you are wrong. Of the 200 or so RFA, how many have signed a long term contract?

                        Is there going to be a lockout in 2011?

                        Will there be a CBA for 2011?

                        Mr. Bowlen is a business man.

                        He knows he can get by utilizing the rules set forth by the NFL to retain current players on his roster at discount rates. As it stands now, the Denver Broncos can RFA tender Elvis Dumervil this year and next year (roughly $6 million guaranteed), instead of investing $20 million guaranteed, and possibility of no NFL in 2011. NFL is a business and Mr. Bowlen wouldn't be where he is today, if he wasn't a prudent business man.

                        As for Elvis Dumervil, he is a Pass Rush Specialist. He couldn't stop the run to save his life. That is why he has no extension, yet. Now with a formidable and bigger DLine in front of him, it is time for Elvis Dumervil to put up or shut up vs. the run. No excuses. If he does, he may get his extension mid season.
                        You've said everything I was going to say. Very very few RFAs have signed contract extensions this offseason, every single owner is covering their arse. All of our RFAs still have something to prove (possibly not Kuper), so I think it's reasonable for Bowlen to play the game as it is right now.

                        I think Doom won't demand to be the highest paid guy in the league. He is cut from the team-first mold and I wouldn't be surprised if he took a slightly smaller contract and stayed in Denver. Time will tell though. And now that he's playing behind more competent DEs, he has nowhere to hide and must improve his run stopping abilities. I personally think he will, but it remains to be seen.
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                        Pey-Pey to Bey-Bey for the Tey-Dey.

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                        • #57
                          Once we move Scheffler, every headache will be gone and McDaniels can get down to business. If we can snag a 3rd or 4th for Scheffler, that would be friggin sweet!

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by muse View Post
                            You've said everything I was going to say. Very very few RFAs have signed contract extensions this offseason, every single owner is covering their arse. All of our RFAs still have something to prove (possibly not Kuper), so I think it's reasonable for Bowlen to play the game as it is right now.

                            I think Doom won't demand to be the highest paid guy in the league. He is cut from the team-first mold and I wouldn't be surprised if he took a slightly smaller contract and stayed in Denver. Time will tell though. And now that he's playing behind more competent DEs, he has nowhere to hide and must improve his run stopping abilities. I personally think he will, but it remains to be seen.
                            What does Doom have to prove? He averages over 10 sacks /yr. Name another DE/OLB that puts up those nmbers. So what he may be suspect on run defense. 65% of offensive plays are passes. And every run plY does not come straight to his containment area. That's why I stated get him a deal done now because if he has another 10+ sack year in 2011 he's goin to require that type of money. I'm not saying he gets that money now. I'm saying get him a deal sooner because an 800lb gorilla is much easier to deal with than a 1600lb gorilla.
                            #swapping

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by flosstein View Post
                              What does Doom have to prove? He averages over 10 sacks /yr. Name another DE/OLB that puts up those nmbers. So what he may be suspect on run defense. 65% of offensive plays are passes. And every run plY does not come straight to his containment area. That's why I stated get him a deal done now because if he has another 10+ sack year in 2011 he's goin to require that type of money. I'm not saying he gets that money now. I'm saying get him a deal sooner because an 800lb gorilla is much easier to deal with than a 1600lb gorilla.
                              he isn't suspect on run defense. he doesn't exist. It doesn't matter how many times a team runs the ball. What matters is when they run the ball they know to run it to the weak side vs Doom and know they can get 5+ yards a pop and even able to break 10 or 20 yarders every other carry.

                              If Doom was halfway decent vs the run then teams may 80% pass 20% run and he would get more sacks!

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by broooks77 View Post
                                Good thing we aren't all turning on the coach, who is a temporary employee of the team (not unlike say a Jarvis Moss) :thumb:
                                Fixed it for you (I've always wanted to do one of these posts)
                                Hoping for a defensive-minded head coach and a return to the ZBS on offense. At the very least, no more cheaters for head coach.

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