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  • acpell671
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    Originally posted by jimelway View Post
    ESPN reporting McDaniels is shopping Pat Bowlen!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Contrary to original reports, he was only taking phone calls out of due diligence to the team. He wasn't actively shopping. Get it straight. Anyway, Pat doesn't tell the truth, so he's a goner.
    Last edited by acpell671; 04-20-2010, 02:40 AM.

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  • Italianmobstr7
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    Originally posted by gorky View Post
    The sad reality for me is that we are not a team. We are a revolving door.

    I can't think of another team in the NFL that has more coaching and player turnover.

    The Nuggets used to have this problem for a long time. And thier record showed it. But when they decided to hang on to thier players, besides stealing a few good ones from other teams, they have become very good.

    You cannot develope the concept of team, with new faces all the time. Most of the really good NFL teams of the last 30 years hung onto thier core talent. We have to start doing this. Let the guys grow togeather.

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    I'll throw in my 2 cents of who I'd like to see get cut: Jarvin Moss. He has cost us a fortune and has produced almost nothing in return.

    I'd also love to see Champ traded. I love Champ. But I'd really like to see him have a ring on his finger. So perhaps we could work out a deal with the Saints. To watch Champ hold up a SB trophy would be great before he retires. Kind of like Ray Borque (sp?) with the Avs.
    I'd be pissed. He either gets a Super Bowl in Denver or not at all. He's STILL a top 3 CB in the league (#1 IMO). No reason to get rid of Champ. It would be like the idiot Chiefs releasing Neil Smith and letting him sign with us and win 2 Super Bowls. My Chief fan friends are STILL upset about it.

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  • OrangeCrushinMi
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    Originally posted by dandaman23 View Post
    Whos ever jersey I get next we will most likely trade away.. I got a Clinton Portis jersey in 2003, the next year he is gone, I get a Cutler jersey for Christmas the season before last and he is traded just months after.. I get a Marshall jersey before last season and look what happens..

    Maybe I'll get a Phillip Rivers jersey..
    I bought an Elway jersey in 96 and was PISSED when they changed their uniforms...but now I have a throwback so I am happy.

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  • BIG TOOL
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    The next ex Bronco will be whoever the next stand out player is

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  • gorky
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    The sad reality for me is that we are not a team. We are a revolving door.

    I can't think of another team in the NFL that has more coaching and player turnover.

    The Nuggets used to have this problem for a long time. And thier record showed it. But when they decided to hang on to thier players, besides stealing a few good ones from other teams, they have become very good.

    You cannot develope the concept of team, with new faces all the time. Most of the really good NFL teams of the last 30 years hung onto thier core talent. We have to start doing this. Let the guys grow togeather.

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    I'll throw in my 2 cents of who I'd like to see get cut: Jarvin Moss. He has cost us a fortune and has produced almost nothing in return.

    I'd also love to see Champ traded. I love Champ. But I'd really like to see him have a ring on his finger. So perhaps we could work out a deal with the Saints. To watch Champ hold up a SB trophy would be great before he retires. Kind of like Ray Borque (sp?) with the Avs.

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  • DTownNative
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    Clady & Harris
    Champ & DJ
    Doom
    Graham (oh wait... he was a NE guy)

    and the rest of Shanny's guys... nothing at this point would surprise me anymore...

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  • muse
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    Originally posted by flosstein View Post
    What does Doom have to prove? He averages over 10 sacks /yr. Name another DE/OLB that puts up those nmbers. So what he may be suspect on run defense. 65% of offensive plays are passes. And every run plY does not come straight to his containment area. That's why I stated get him a deal done now because if he has another 10+ sack year in 2011 he's goin to require that type of money. I'm not saying he gets that money now. I'm saying get him a deal sooner because an 800lb gorilla is much easier to deal with than a 1600lb gorilla.
    We need Doom to be a balanced player. He doesn't need to be a heavy hitting run stopper, but he needs to be in the right places at the right time. As I stated before, playing behind a better DL can only help him.

    As for how much it matters: if you watched the B'more, Pittsburgh, Washington, 2nd SD, 2nd Oakland and 2nd KC games you'd know that we gave up S***LOADS of yards. How many of those games did we win? I count us as unlucky in 2 out of those 6 games (ie could've gone either way) but it doesn't hide the fact that shoddy run D cost us over a third of our season. If Doom repeats his run defence performance this year, it's simply not worth throwing tens of millions in guaranteed money at him. You should never pay that much for a situational player.

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  • AC1
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    Originally posted by broooks77 View Post
    Good thing we aren't all turning on the coach, who is a temporary employee of the team (not unlike say a Jarvis Moss) :thumb:
    Fixed it for you (I've always wanted to do one of these posts)

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  • BroncosTX77
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    Originally posted by flosstein View Post
    What does Doom have to prove? He averages over 10 sacks /yr. Name another DE/OLB that puts up those nmbers. So what he may be suspect on run defense. 65% of offensive plays are passes. And every run plY does not come straight to his containment area. That's why I stated get him a deal done now because if he has another 10+ sack year in 2011 he's goin to require that type of money. I'm not saying he gets that money now. I'm saying get him a deal sooner because an 800lb gorilla is much easier to deal with than a 1600lb gorilla.
    he isn't suspect on run defense. he doesn't exist. It doesn't matter how many times a team runs the ball. What matters is when they run the ball they know to run it to the weak side vs Doom and know they can get 5+ yards a pop and even able to break 10 or 20 yarders every other carry.

    If Doom was halfway decent vs the run then teams may 80% pass 20% run and he would get more sacks!

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  • flosstein
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    Originally posted by muse View Post
    You've said everything I was going to say. Very very few RFAs have signed contract extensions this offseason, every single owner is covering their arse. All of our RFAs still have something to prove (possibly not Kuper), so I think it's reasonable for Bowlen to play the game as it is right now.

    I think Doom won't demand to be the highest paid guy in the league. He is cut from the team-first mold and I wouldn't be surprised if he took a slightly smaller contract and stayed in Denver. Time will tell though. And now that he's playing behind more competent DEs, he has nowhere to hide and must improve his run stopping abilities. I personally think he will, but it remains to be seen.
    What does Doom have to prove? He averages over 10 sacks /yr. Name another DE/OLB that puts up those nmbers. So what he may be suspect on run defense. 65% of offensive plays are passes. And every run plY does not come straight to his containment area. That's why I stated get him a deal done now because if he has another 10+ sack year in 2011 he's goin to require that type of money. I'm not saying he gets that money now. I'm saying get him a deal sooner because an 800lb gorilla is much easier to deal with than a 1600lb gorilla.

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  • KWHIT97
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    Once we move Scheffler, every headache will be gone and McDaniels can get down to business. If we can snag a 3rd or 4th for Scheffler, that would be friggin sweet!

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  • muse
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    Originally posted by BroncosTX77 View Post
    And that's where you are wrong. Of the 200 or so RFA, how many have signed a long term contract?

    Is there going to be a lockout in 2011?

    Will there be a CBA for 2011?

    Mr. Bowlen is a business man.

    He knows he can get by utilizing the rules set forth by the NFL to retain current players on his roster at discount rates. As it stands now, the Denver Broncos can RFA tender Elvis Dumervil this year and next year (roughly $6 million guaranteed), instead of investing $20 million guaranteed, and possibility of no NFL in 2011. NFL is a business and Mr. Bowlen wouldn't be where he is today, if he wasn't a prudent business man.

    As for Elvis Dumervil, he is a Pass Rush Specialist. He couldn't stop the run to save his life. That is why he has no extension, yet. Now with a formidable and bigger DLine in front of him, it is time for Elvis Dumervil to put up or shut up vs. the run. No excuses. If he does, he may get his extension mid season.
    You've said everything I was going to say. Very very few RFAs have signed contract extensions this offseason, every single owner is covering their arse. All of our RFAs still have something to prove (possibly not Kuper), so I think it's reasonable for Bowlen to play the game as it is right now.

    I think Doom won't demand to be the highest paid guy in the league. He is cut from the team-first mold and I wouldn't be surprised if he took a slightly smaller contract and stayed in Denver. Time will tell though. And now that he's playing behind more competent DEs, he has nowhere to hide and must improve his run stopping abilities. I personally think he will, but it remains to be seen.

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  • neckbeard
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    Originally posted by Pura Vida View Post
    The pattern is that we let go pro bowl players that are due a big raise.
    That means dumervil or champ should be spooked.
    Cutler had several years left on his contract.

    Marshall had character issues.

    Champ & Doom have both been solid team players.

    That pattern doesn't exist...

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  • Orange Madness
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    I don't know. Someone who doesn't want to be a Bronco and quits on his team. Why do people gloss over that? Marshall wanted one thing: a ticket out of town. I don't know why people can't accept that, and I don't know why fans would want to keep him around if he doesn't want to be here. He's the next TO, always looking for that next check, never happy with where he is.

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  • BroncosTX77
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    Originally posted by flosstein View Post
    We didn't pony up the dough because of character issues. Big B is just not going to pony up best in class money anymore. If that were the case, our beloved OLB that has a proven 10 sack/yr average no matter where he lines up at would have a deal by now. So what I am saying is why go possibly go through that again? I don't care what his issues are, the point is he does have several character issues.
    And that's where you are wrong. Of the 200 or so RFA, how many have signed a long term contract?

    Is there going to be a lockout in 2011?

    Will there be a CBA for 2011?

    Mr. Bowlen is a business man.

    He knows he can get by utilizing the rules set forth by the NFL to retain current players on his roster at discount rates. As it stands now, the Denver Broncos can RFA tender Elvis Dumervil this year and next year (roughly $6 million guaranteed), instead of investing $20 million guaranteed, and possibility of no NFL in 2011. NFL is a business and Mr. Bowlen wouldn't be where he is today, if he wasn't a prudent business man.

    As for Elvis Dumervil, he is a Pass Rush Specialist. He couldn't stop the run to save his life. That is why he has no extension, yet. Now with a formidable and bigger DLine in front of him, it is time for Elvis Dumervil to put up or shut up vs. the run. No excuses. If he does, he may get his extension mid season.

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