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  • Originally posted by Tripp View Post
    If Royal was open so often last year, you would think our coaching staff would work with Orton on his reads and getting the ball to Eddie more frequent this next year, right?
    The problem isn't Orton's reads. It's his ability to make the throws.

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    • Originally posted by The Big D View Post
      OK, you're getting LAMER and LAMER on this point. Seriously, link to ONE video of a safety tackling or otherwise down field of X after the bye week. Not Y. Not Z. X. Because the whole point is that Orton is incapable of throwing to X deep, thus freeing up one man - the safety that would be over the top on X. So showing the Y/Z tackled by a safety is irrelevant.

      Just post that ONE link and we can talk.
      You thought about taking up dance? You have a great sidestep!

      My point in the videos is that you are dead wrong about the opponent loading
      the box because they weren't worried about the deep pass. In every one of
      those videos, which were of Orton's completing a deep pass, the safeties came
      up from downfield to tackle the receiver. That means they were deeper than
      the receiver was
      , even though the receiver was already deep.

      Now, you can "lame lame lame" all you want, but I'm still looking for an
      intelligent response from you . . .

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      • Originally posted by The Big D View Post
        The problem isn't Orton's reads. It's his ability to make the throws.
        I have 30 videos posted in this thread of Orton's making all the throws, and you are still trying to say that?

        Man, you are really looking foolish at this point. You are gasping for air!

        Please, for your own sake, stand down.

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        • Originally posted by The Big D View Post
          The problem isn't Orton's reads. It's his ability to make the throws.
          Orton can make the throws-- this is another topic we argued on this board all last year. Him not getting the ball to Eddie is either due to play-calling or he is covered. Plain and simple.
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          • Originally posted by The Big D View Post
            By your logic KC had 12 men on the field, 3 of them safeties. Little hard to swallow

            The safety that was deep was the strong side.
            No... Royal was covered by 1 safety, one CB, and for the first seven steps a LB.

            There's one safety and one CB on Gaffney's side.

            Simple math, D.

            No one said anything about three safeties. Where did you get the third safety from?

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            • Originally posted by The Big D View Post
              The problem isn't Orton's reads. It's his ability to make the throws.
              Then what about the deep throws to Marshall or to Lloyd?

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              • Originally posted by topscribe View Post
                You thought about taking up dance? You have a great sidestep!

                My point in the videos is that you are dead wrong about the opponent loading
                the box because they weren't worried about the deep pass. In every one of
                those videos, which were of Orton's completing a deep pass, the safeties came
                up from downfield to tackle the receiver. That means they were deeper than
                the receiver was
                , even though the receiver was already deep.

                Now, you can "lame lame lame" all you want, but I'm still looking for an
                intelligent response from you . . .

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                This has become surreal. Teams were taking off X's safety. A video showing the strong side safety playing Y or Z deep is irrelivant.

                You must simply have no grasp of which receiver is which. That's the only way I can explain your posts.

                Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
                Then what about the deep throws to Marshall or to Lloyd?
                Deep throws to Y and Z are easier than X.

                Originally posted by Alastor View Post
                No... Royal was covered by 1 safety, one CB, and for the first seven steps a LB.
                There is no safety covering Royal in that video. Did you watch it?

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                • Originally posted by The Big D
                  Deep throws to Y and Z are easier than X.
                  But if the S is over on their side gaurding them as well as the CB, a throw into double coverage is harder to make than a throw into single coverage. And there is no a deep throw is easier to them because he's making the deep throw to begin with regardless of who it is. The only reason it was easier to them was because they were bigger and better jumpers

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                  • Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
                    But if the S is over on their side gaurding them as well as the CB, a throw into double coverage is harder to make than a throw into single coverage. And there is no a deep throw is easier to them because he's making the deep throw to begin with regardless of who it is. The only reason it was easier to them was because they were bigger and better jumpers
                    First off, not all deep throws are created equal. The ones where you're throwing across your body to X require much more strength than the ones to the center and strong side of the field to Y and Z.

                    Second, double coverage from a safety only comes into play down field. Orton's accuracy deteriorated worse than most QBs down field. He was only good accuracy-wise in the first 10 yards where there was no double coverage.

                    I'm not saying Marshall wasn't a conveniently tall target. But there are a bunch of issue here related to Orton's play that shouldn't be overlooked.

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                    • Originally posted by The Big D View Post
                      First off, not all deep throws are created equal. The ones where you're throwing across your body to X require much more strength than the ones to the center and strong side of the field to Y and Z.

                      Second, double coverage from a safety only comes into play down field. Orton's accuracy deteriorated worse than most QBs down field. He was only good accuracy-wise in the first 10 yards where there was no double coverage.

                      I'm not saying Marshall wasn't a conveniently tall target. But there are a bunch of issue here related to Orton's play that shouldn't be overlooked.
                      Most of the deep throws to Marshall and Lloyd were when they were playing the X position. He can make the throws, there just isn't much use to try and make the throw when you have someone open underneath. And even if he were to try it he would have to have adequate time and enough room to step into the throw.

                      And Orton was one of the most accurate QBs of 20+ yards.

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                      • Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
                        And Orton was one of the most accurate QBs of 20+ yards.
                        Where are you getting that from? Everything I've seen shows his accuracy dropping off precipitously into the 40% range and below beyond 10 yards.

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                        • Originally posted by The Big D View Post
                          Where are you getting that from? Everything I've seen shows his accuracy dropping off precipitously into the 40% range and below beyond 10 yards.
                          Then you should review the facts.

                          He was indeed one of the most accurate deep passers last season. Did it happen as often as we'd like? Probably not.

                          But was he accurate when he did it? Oh yeah, he sure was.

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                          • Originally posted by The Big D View Post
                            Where are you getting that from? Everything I've seen shows his accuracy dropping off precipitously into the 40% range and below beyond 10 yards.
                            That's because all you're looking at is the other thread which cherry picks the 11-20 yard range

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                            • Originally posted by Alastor View Post
                              Then you should review the facts.

                              He was indeed one of the most accurate deep passers last season. Did it happen as often as we'd like? Probably not.

                              But was he accurate when he did it? Oh yeah, he sure was.
                              For starters, are you saying the stats in the OP here are wrong?

                              http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=169986

                              Because they seem to show him not being very accurate at all past 10y - low 40% range when the good QBs were more like mid 50's.

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                              • Originally posted by The Big D View Post
                                For starters, are you saying the stats in the OP here are wrong?

                                http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=169986

                                Because they seem to show him not being very accurate at all past 10y - low 40% range when the good QBs were more like mid 50's.
                                I never said the OP's stats are wrong.

                                Are you under the impression that a football field is 20 yards long? Are you saying a 10-20 yard pass is a deep pass?

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