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    http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...erved-02-15-11

    He has done exactly what he was hired to do, which is to set the edge in the running game, and to generate some pressure in passing situations, as a strongside DE/OLB. The key point with him has always been.......

  • #2
    I agree with everything he said. Think about the Titans game, when Ayers was a HUGE reason we won. This guy can get it done, it's not all about sacks. With Elvis on the other side getting the attention on passing downs, I expect Ayers to get few more though.

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    • #3
      I agree totally! I remember the Titans game because the mic on the field was a little loud, and I remember Ayers saying, "Y'all can't run on this F****ing side." Tennessee kept trying to run at him, and he kept shutting it down. I think it got to the point where he said "Stop running on this F***ing side." Ayers is a very good player IMO, the problem is McD didn't let him play that much his rookie season (which slowed his development) and he missed 5 games due to injury in 2010 (which hurts also). Hopefully he can stay healthy in 2011 and have a breakout season.
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      • #4
        Totally see improvement when he played and sophomore injuries are pretty much sure as the sun rises, it seems.
        I hate the Defenseless Receiver rule and the fines. Posted since '07. 2011 rule addition :nono: backhand a fool!

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        • #5
          The times when he put his hand in the dirt I felt he got his best burst off the snap. He didn't generate a ton of pressure out of it, but he didn't have the experience in the NFL in a three-point stance to make it easy for him to simply transition from standing up to a hand in the ground the way guys like Dumervil do.

          I expect a lot of people to change their minds about Ayers after a season at LE. He's going to do some special things. He's great at simply containing, and that's a huge part of being a strongside DE. He rarely gets blown off the ball, and I would argue he has one of the strongest bases on our defense. He's going to be fine at LE, it's his natural position, and I see him there for years to come.
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          • #6
            Well he'll
            actually be playing his natural position this year, so we'll really see what we have in him.

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            • #7
              I think one of the biggest problems with everyone on our defense is we get a new D-coord every year. You cant build consistency with that much turnaround.

              Hopefully Bowlen, Elway, and Fox can introduce some stability in our team, otherwise we are going to be down on our players forever.

              Kyle: Dude! I almost thought those Afghani kids talked you into not liking America.
              Stan: No, dude. America may have some problems, but it's our home. Our team. And if you don't wanna root for your team, then you should get the hell out of the stadium.
              Kyle: Yeah.
              Stan:<salutes the American flag> Go America.
              Kyle:<salutes> Go America...

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              Stan: Yeah, go Broncos.
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              • #8
                you mean you no liek it if we pickz Bowers?!?!?!

                I've been saying Ayers deserves a chance to play in the 4-3 for months now while others write him and Dumervil off and want to draft replacements.

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                • #9
                  I'm really pulling for Ayers! I hope he has a monster year under fox like doom did under Nolan.

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                  • #10
                    When I mentioned he was great at setting the edge and I was laughed at. Stats don't tell the story on this kid, he not only sets the edge he annihilates it. The sacks will come.

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                    • #11
                      I believe the fans are tired and frustrated with so many 1st round picks that failed to meet expectations, so some fans are trying to save Ayers' face and just can't accept he's been a bust so far. But there is definetely something wrong here. Either Ayers did not do his job, or then it was the Broncos who did not their job. If Ayers is producing exactly what the team wanted, then the Broncos really don't know how to draft.

                      Because you don't spend the 18th overall pick on a 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB that can't get to the quarterback. You want your 1st round pick to be like Brian Orakpo or Clay Matthews, players that can make 50-60 tackles while also producing double digit sacks.

                      And this talk about Ayers setting the edge, and that RBs almost never get past him... That's incorrect. Maybe some fans remember just the game against Tennessee, when Chris Johnson struggled to find open lanes, and got the idea that Ayers shuts down the run. But that's far from the truth. You can watch all the other games and you will see RBs finding daylight on the outside against Ayers. There is a reason why the Broncos finished 31st against the run, and it's not because they had a monster OLB shutting down the running game.

                      I think there are people trying too hard to make Ayers look good. The team got nothing from Jarvis Moss, Jay Cutler was traded, Demaryius Thomas can't stay healthy... It's frustrating. But unless you are in a Broncos message board discussing Ayers with Broncos fans, it's pretty easy to understand that Ayers has been one more disappointment for the collection.

                      The switch back to 4-3 DE might help him, I think it will. But he needs to do much more on the field before he can be considered a good player and a good 1st round pick. The simple use of the word "hate" already shows the desperation of some people that refuse to accept a discussion with criticism.
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                      • #12
                        Consitency

                        Some times he looks great sometimes he is out of place or takes bad angles. I believe he has enormous potential, if his role is narrowly defined. He is an instinctive player. Complex assignments most likely will leave him out of position.

                        He can beat the man in front of him. That is how his role should be defined.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Snarfalicious View Post
                          The times when he put his hand in the dirt I felt he got his best burst off the snap. He didn't generate a ton of pressure out of it, but he didn't have the experience in the NFL in a three-point stance to make it easy for him to simply transition from standing up to a hand in the ground the way guys like Dumervil do.

                          I expect a lot of people to change their minds about Ayers after a season at LE. He's going to do some special things. He's great at simply containing, and that's a huge part of being a strongside DE. He rarely gets blown off the ball, and I would argue he has one of the strongest bases on our defense. He's going to be fine at LE, it's his natural position, and I see him there for years to come.
                          I think if we are running the 4-3, and we add 2 stud DT's, Ayers and Doom will be awesome off the edge!

                          In 2012, cause there won't be football next year!

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                          • #14
                            He definitely had a great game against the Titans, but that doesn't make the season. I don't remember him playing that well again after he came back from injury. Now, there were definitely a lot of reasons why that happened, so I definitely haven't given up on him.

                            He'll need to play well, and consistently, next year (please let that be 2011) for him to truly not be a bust. He's still an "upside" guy right now for the most part, not a reliable contributor (yet).

                            And I don't care if he's a sack specialist or great at setting the edge, just as long as he's good at one of those things.
                            "In the red zone, in the red zone...Let's get 7, let's get 7."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BroncoBryce View Post
                              http://www.itsalloverfatman.com/bron...erved-02-15-11

                              He has done exactly what he was hired to do, which is to set the edge in the running game, and to generate some pressure in passing situations, as a strongside DE/OLB. The key point with him has always been.......
                              What I was mad at him for is that he wasn't setting that edge in the run game. A lot of times runners were able to get outside of him. The Chargers was a prime example. If he'd set the edge, Matthews would've had one less TD, and we might've won.

                              But I'm not hating. The transition from down lineman to a linebacker is pretty tough. But, now that he's hopefully going to put his hand back on the ground, he'll be playing to his strengths and doing what he does best. I personally think this is like having another 1st round draft pick in this draft. We just need to see what we have.
                              Last edited by Crazy8; 02-16-2011, 01:39 AM.

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