Tim Tebow Part 4 (Merged)

[-Rod-]

I've seen this before...

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=163940

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter

Of all the QBs now on Denver's roster, the one that might have the best chance of being a long-term answer is QB Tom Brandstater.

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...ht=brandstater

http://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson

On the phone with a former Bronco now who just said, "Tim Tebow? You got to be kidding me. Thank you Jesus I'm not in Denver no more."

He's on t/ phone person endorsing QB Tom Brandstater: "He's that dude. I'm telling you he is the best (the Broncos) have on their roster..

(cont.) He was the potential to be like a Tom Brady. Mark my words on this day, (Brandstater) will emerge as the best. I ride with him."

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Maybe the source is Adam Weber.

[Bronco Texan]

What does Jamie Dukes think the fans will want when Tebow comes in and throws his first INT. Is that going to be ok because he is Tebow?The fans can ask for Tebow all they want. The coaches study him every day in practice and on film, they know what Tebow can and can't do. When Tebow can do what they are asking of him he might become the #1 Qb in Denver.

Quick question to everyone? If you were a defensive coach on a team playing the Denver Broncos and Tebow was the qb, How would you play him. I would blitz, blitz and blitz some more. Just a thought.

to the Tebow supporters YES. Because it means it isn't Orton out there. It is pathetic if you ask me. I hope both are gone and we go with Quinn. Now that would shut a lot of people up!

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ah, memories. brandstater, we hardly knew ye

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I hope both are gone and we go with Quinn. Now that would shut a lot of people up!

this wouldn't be the worst thing in world

[DaHammer]

As a REAL Broncos fan I would rather have a QB that has a chance to make a play when protection breaks down instead of a neck bearded statue that can't escape a paper sack hitting him. Give me a break and don't call yourself an elitist fan just because your afraid you love Tebow. I would rather give the future some experience and win 6 games this year instead of watching neck beard get his brains beat in on third down and win 7 games while we miss the playoffs for a sixth straight year. If Orton is the QB you Tebow haters think he is then why couldn't we get more than a 5th round pick from real experts? (not you)

Haha! Well at least you ADMIT that the Broncos will win more games with Orton under center, that's more than most Tebow fans. And for the record, I don't think of myself as an "elitist" fan and I'm neither a Tebow hater nor an Orton lover. I couldn't care less who starts on Sunday so long as whomever does gives us the best chance to win every game. EFX says that person is Orton, so be it.

[Al Wilson 4 Mayor]

I've seen this before...

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=163940

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter



http://forums.denverbroncos.com/show...ht=brandstater

http://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson







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Maybe the source is Adam Weber.

LOL, I just mentioned this in another thread...

[secund2nun]

Haha! Well at least you ADMIT that the Broncos will win more games with Orton under center, that's more than most Tebow fans. And for the record, I don't think of myself as an "elitist" fan and I'm neither a Tebow hater nor an Orton lover. I couldn't care less who starts on Sunday so long as whomever does gives us the best chance to win every game. EFX says that person is Orton, so be it.

Tebow won 33% of his games last season 1-2 record.

Orton won 23% of his games last season 3-10 record.

You are the one who needs to admit the facts

[12and4]

ah, memories. brandstater, we hardly knew ye

Unfortunately, I knew him a lot longer than you guys

He was the QB for my Bulldogs for far too long.. I don't know what people saw in him other than his name and his stature.


I've even met the guy and he was kinda rude.. but who cares.

[secund2nun]

Is Adam Weber really better than Tim Tebow this preseason? Weber has certainly impressed people during training camp, but we haven't seen him in preseason game action yet. Yahoo! Sports' Michael Silver has an article out that quotes an unnamed Broncos official who is in Weber's corner.

However, Boston.com's Greg A. Bedard quotes a different Broncos official in a tweet:

Broncos source is as much at a loss about the Tebow comments as I am. Thinks it's totally unfair for 2yr QB. "Somebody has it out for him."


Asked the same source if Tebow did something to invite the trash treatment. "Not at all." More bizarre.

If true, then the original unnamed Broncos source is likely someone who came into the organization with John Fox. Tebow was Josh McDaniels project and now that he is gone the Broncos don't need to stick with Tebow. But to publicly throw Tebow under a bus, so to speak, seems a bit too much,

If you don't like him, don't like him. Hiding behind the anonymous moniker doesn't help.

http://denver.sbnation.com/denver-br...nts/in/2144364

[Blackanblue]

I knew the moment Fox was named HC, that Tebow would get axed.

[12and4]

Tebow won 33% of his games last season 1-2 record.

Orton won 23% of his games last season 3-10 record.

You are the one who needs to admit the facts

You are right... that is a completely fair comparison.

[MH Stampede]

Project Tebow: Savior’s wings get clipped

By Michael Silver, Yahoo! Sports
1 hour, 8 minutes ago


ENGLEWOOD, Colo. – The young quarterback dropped back smoothly in the pocket, looked off the safety and dropped a gorgeous touch pass over the coverage and into the corner of the end zone. His surprised target came out of his break to see the ball arcing downward, and reached up to snatch it just beyond a cornerback’s flailing arms.

Wooooooooooo! numerous Denver Broncos players exclaimed in unison, marveling at the inexperienced passer’s chutzpah and skill.

Yep, Broncos fans – it seems Adam Weber(notes), a rookie free agent from Minnesota, has a little bit of game.

“He threw that ball before the receiver made his cut, and it came down in the dude’s hands like, ‘Merry Christmas,’ ” Pro Bowl wideout Brandon Lloyd(notes) recalled Monday. “He’s thrown four or five passes like that in camp where it’s been like … whoa. Weber’s got personality, and he’s got some swag about him, too.”

If you’re wondering about the plight of that other inexperienced passer on the Broncos’ roster – how far and fast he has fallen in the eyes of his bosses – consider that at least some people in the organization believe that Tim Tebow(notes) is the fourth-best quarterback on the roster.

As one highly knowledgeable member of the organization told me Monday, “If everything was totally equal, and this were a competition based only on performance at this camp, Tebow would probably be the fourth-string guy. Kyle [Orton] is far and away the best, and Tebow’s way behind [Brady] Quinn, too. And I’m telling you, Adam Weber is flat-out better right now.”

Translation: Tebow, you’re not in Florida anymore.

Granted, some caveats are in order. Because things are not even close to equal, Tebow, for whom the Broncos traded up to select in the first round of the 2010 draft, would seem to be in very little danger of being beaten out by Weber, a four-year starter for the Golden Gophers who signed just after the lockout ended late last month and has “practice squad” written all over him.

Technically, even after Broncos coach John Fox’s announcement Monday that Orton has retained the starting job for a third consecutive season, Tebow remains in a battle with Quinn for the No. 2 spot. Realistically, given the regime change that began last December with the firing of coach Josh McDaniels and continued in January with the hiring of Hall of Fame quarterback John Elway as executive vice president of football operations, Tebow will likely spend his second season in Denver as a third-stringer with a highly uncertain future.

Less than a month after the Broncos nearly traded Orton to the Miami Dolphins with the idea of handing over the offense to the former University of Florida star, the bottom line is that Tebow, one of the most accomplished and beloved players in college football history, remains popular in the Mile High City only in the eyes of his legions of adoring fans. He has lost his guardian angel (McDaniels), and harps no longer play when he enters the huddle.

“Obviously, there is an investment, and there will always be an investment in first-round picks,” Elway said Monday. “But the bottom line is, our responsibility is to do the best we can to win football games, and we’ve got to figure out the best thing to do to accomplish that. And I think ultimately that’s what fans want.”

That means Orton, who threw for 3,653 yards and 20 touchdowns in 13 games last season – and served up only nine interceptions in 498 attempts – is in no danger of getting supplanted by the kid drafted to dispossess him of his job.

This is a remarkable turn of events from last season, when Tebow started the last three games and engineered an impressive comeback triumph over the Houston Texans. Trailing 17-0 at the half, Tebow went on a passing rampage, throwing for 308 yards, and scored on a 6-yard run with three minutes remaining to give Denver a 24-23 triumph, the Broncos’ third and final victory of a miserable season.

With the lockout depriving Elway, Fox and general manager Brian Xanders of the chance to evaluate their returning quarterbacks in minicamps and OTAs, the notion of trading Orton seemed like a viable one in late July, and talks commenced between the Broncos and Dolphins.

According to sources familiar with the negotiations, Miami offered a fourth-round pick in the 2012 draft for Orton, while Denver insisted on a third-round selection, and a stare down commenced. Orton, due to make $8.9 million in 2011, wanted his contract renegotiated to ensure that the Dolphins viewed him as their clear-cut starter, and Miami held firm on that front, too.

Meanwhile, both teams began training camp, and it soon became clear that Orton was a mile high above Tebow in his coaches’ estimation. While Dolphins fans reacted to incumbent quarterback Chad Henne’s(notes) camp struggles by chanting, “We Want Orton,” Broncos coaches were privately whispering, “We got lucky.”

As one high-ranking member of the Broncos’ organization said Monday: “Sometimes the best things that happen to you in life are the things that don’t happen.”

Sources say the Broncos view Tebow as a major project who was negatively impacted by the lack of an offseason. Having operated almost exclusively out of the shotgun in college, he still lacks smoothness when taking snaps directly from center: Whereas the Broncos’ other three quarterbacks anticipate the snap and are already into their drop upon receiving it, Tebow typically is locked in place, meaning he’s already behind in his timing upon the beginning of a play.

For all the talk about Tebow’s need to improve his mechanics, Broncos sources say his lack of familiarity with running a pro-style offense is an even more egregious issue. As one executive says, “Forget about how he delivers the ball, or how accurate it is. First he has to know where to go with it.”

Tebow’s bosses still believe his work ethic and character may allow him to overcome these deficiencies and develop into a starting-caliber quarterback down the road. In the meantime, they are handing the keys of Fox’s ball-control offense to Orton, a move that seems to have been well-received in the locker room.

“Now we can pick up where we left off,” says Lloyd, who led the NFL with 1,448 receiving yards in 2010. “The offense can get real detailed and creative with the calls, because Kyle is so cerebral. I’m not gonna lie: When I heard about [the possible trade], I was happy for Kyle, that he’d get out of this situation where he was being doubted and unwanted and go where someone wants him. I thought, ‘Good for him.’ But when it didn’t happen, it was a sigh of relief.”

Orton, a seventh-year player who was acquired by the Broncos in the infamous Jay Cutler(notes) trade with the Chicago Bears before the ’09 season, is grateful for Fox’s no-nonsense approach to coaching. As a rookie in 2005, Orton was thrust into the lineup because of an injury to Rex Grossman(notes), another former Florida quarterback, and helped guide the Bears to eight consecutive victories and an NFC North title. The next season, Grossman was named the team’s unquestioned starter and held onto the job in 2007 despite a blatant lack of consistency.

Of getting a chance to win the starting job, Orton said, “That’s all you can ask for as a player. I’ve been in a situation in Chicago when you didn’t have a chance to compete. That’s the worst thing there is. The way [Fox] motivates guys with positive reinforcement is great. He doesn’t shoot you a bunch of crap.”

Quinn, too, appreciates the apparent lack of politics in Fox’s decision-making. Given that his entire career has been marked by drama and unmet expectations – from his draft-day plunge in 2007 that rivaled Aaron Rodgers’(notes) experience of two years earlier for the most uncomfortable stint in green-room history, to his aborted stint as the Browns’ starter midway through 2008 (he was pulled after 2½ games), to his afterthought status in Denver last season after McDaniels acquired him in a March trade for running back Peyton Hills, who went on to rush for 1,177 yards in 2010 – he’s a resilient quarterback in search of a fair shot.

“The opportunity to compete definitely wasn’t there for me last year,” Quinn says. “It seemed like there would be one [in the spring], but once we got to camp, there really wasn’t an opportunity. I really wasn’t sure why. I never got an explanation. The rug’s kind of swept out from underneath you. It’s tough sometimes.

“I’ve been through a few different circuses – quarterback competitions, controversies, trade talks. My rookie year, we traded our starter [Charlie Frye(notes)] after the first week. And really, going into that next week in practice, had Derek [Anderson] not played well at any point he was probably coming out. That was pretty crazy.”

Right now, the odds of a certain young quarterback playing a meaningful game for Fox in Denver anytime soon look fairly long. And for those of you who don’t know Tim from Adam, yes, we’re talking about the Broncos’ probable third-string quarterback and the unfortunate fourth-stringer, an undrafted rookie who some believe is a better player.

How upside down are things in the Mile High City right now? If Tebow can hold off Adam Weber, that’s about the best outcome he can expect, at least in the short term.

Michael Silver covers the NFL for Yahoo! Sports.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_yl...erbacks_082311

I know someone who lives near someone that works with someone's wife who works as a janitor at dove valley.

And they tell me the front office is committed to helping Tebow become a great QB.

What does it mean?

Nothing.

[Bronco Texan]

this wouldn't be the worst thing in world

One can only hope. If only one of the two leaves then the fans of the one who left will always start with the what ifs....

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One can only hope. If only one of the two leaves then the fans of the one who left will always start with the what ifs....

if orton leaves, then orton fans can go back to cheering for the bears. if tebow leaves, his fans will follow him wherever he goes. win win.

[Bronco Texan]

if orton leaves, then orton fans can go back to cheering for the bears. if tebow leaves, his fans will follow him wherever he goes. win win.

See we agree on something!