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  • chi3fs
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    4 losses out of 5.... sweetness.

    dont doubt daddy.

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  • jake meffley
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    Re: Playoffs

    Originally posted by ReasonableChief
    I was assuming better health on the Broncos' part. Even with injuries, you guys managed to make it a game with Minnesota and Baltimore, so if you get some production out of the quarterback spot, you should make it to the playoffs. I still think you should sign Neil O'Donnell and make him your third team quarterback until he's ready to see action. If Plummer's fine, you guys should have no problem making it to the postseason. (You've got the same easy schedule as the Chiefs, you know)
    pleasure to have you here. i hope fans of opposing teams will take a page out of your book. having opposing fans with knowledge and respect makes this site all the more interesting so thank you and welcome!!

    the problem with o'donnell, or anyone else for that matter is the roster spot. while plummer is out he still counts a roster spot, so carrying three active qb's would actually be to carry 4. this is the reason beuerlein went on ir. even if he had played well he likely wouldve been placed on ir to save the roster spot. once you declare a player to ir, they dont count as a roster spot. also, to sign an older player would be to forfeit the chances for the future. the upside to a young third string qb (after jake returns) is that you have the possibility of him stepping into the starter's shoes years down the line.

    that being said, my vote would be to re-release jj when plummer returns (after 3+ years its obvious he isnt the guy) and sign brandon doman. here's a guy thats still only 23 or 24 (he's a rookie but went on a 2 year mormon mission) and has the skills to possibly one day be a successful starter.

    as for the prospects for our team as a whole, i think its fairly simple. our coaches have proved throughout their careers to be excellent when given proper talent. the problem occurs when the injury bug bites. the same gameplans that looked so good with plummer (save a couple dumb playcalls against kc) look equally bad with plan b or kanell.

    shanahan had success early with plummer, had success of course with elway, and managed success with a healthy griese even (we were 7-3 with a healthy griese last year)

    the problem in my eyes is that shanny lacks the ability to adjust his coaching to the talent around him. he insists on running similar gameplans despite losing his starting qb and two wr's.

    if we regain health, i like our chances. top to bottom we have one of the most talented teams in football with a good mix of young and old. if we cant get healthy and shanny continues to let his ego get the best of him, we may be in trouble.

    if the health returns, a playoff spot is likely.
    we MUST find a way to pull out this mondays game. the fact that it preceeds a bye week and the anticipated return of plummer should help. assuming we can do that we follow with home games against sd and chi. that should be two tune up games for jake and an 8-3 record. the closing schedule is tough, but we would only need 2 out of the last 5 to get a playoff spot, and 3 out of 5 all but assures it. with the last five being oak. (WAY down this year), kc (revenge and at home), cle. (home) and indy and gb. (away games should be tough, but i like the matchup with gb) we should be back in the playoffs.

    all is not lost!!
    pray for health, and this could get interesting

    jake

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  • elwaymvp
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bla bla bla

    Originally posted by jake meffley
    before the chiefs are crowned they have some battles to overcome. the '84 broncos (we seem to be into history discussions) were 12-1 before finishing 13-3. they lost in the first round at home. the reason i bring up that team is because they played similar. gave up a ton of yards, got a ton of turnovers, and found ways to win the close ones.
    Also remember the 1998 15-1 Vikings who were beat by the Falcons in the NFC Championship Game. And don't forget what happened to the Falcons in the Super Bowl that year...

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  • elwaymvp
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bla bla bla

    Originally posted by Javalon
    Actually, all that kind of trivia is only good for amusement and not for predicting future performance. Someday, the oldest coach in the league will probably get to the Super Bowl. Vermeil taking his past two teams to the Super Bowl in his third year is no guarantee he will this time. Streaks are made to be broken. If Vermeil fails to get to the Super Bowl it won't be because of his age. If he does, it won't be because 3 is his lucky number.

    Here's another amusing stat for you: The last 4 times (I think that's the number) that the Broncos started 4-0, they went to the Super Bowl. They started 4-0 this year but I wouldn't put money down on the Broncos at this point in the season, although I hope they do.
    Of course I wasn't saying that because the oldest coach in the NFL has never won the Super Bowl means that the Chiefs will not win. That is about as logical as saying the Curse of the Billy Goat kept the Cubs from the World Series.

    I was just trying to get under horseface's skin.

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  • ReasonableChief
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    Playoffs

    I was assuming better health on the Broncos' part. Even with injuries, you guys managed to make it a game with Minnesota and Baltimore, so if you get some production out of the quarterback spot, you should make it to the playoffs. I still think you should sign Neil O'Donnell and make him your third team quarterback until he's ready to see action. If Plummer's fine, you guys should have no problem making it to the postseason. (You've got the same easy schedule as the Chiefs, you know)

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  • Javalon
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    Hey ReasonableChief

    Originally posted by ReasonableChief
    We'll see how this all plays out. Right now, the Chiefs have a good shot at homefield for the playoffs but don't have a good record historically when in that situation. Unfortunately, every Denver fan will be able to hang that 1997 game over our heads until we do something to prove otherwise (kind of like Jacksonville beating you guys in the playoffs in 1996, I believe?)

    At this point, I think KC, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Miami and Denver would all be capable of making it to the Super Bowl but I don't think it will be a cakewalk for any of them. It could easily come down to which team has more knee ligaments (or other body parts) intact at the end of the year.
    Hey ReasonableChief, you definitely seem to live up to your name in all the posts of yours that I've read.

    As far as the homefield advantage goes, I'd agree the Chiefs have a good shot of getting it throughout the playoffs. And if they do, I'm sure Denver fans will constantly remind you of that 1997 bit of history. However, I'm sure you'll agree that the Chiefs wouldn't consider it a good thing to NOT have the homefield advantage. If Denver has to go into KC in the playoffs, I'll think a whole lot less of our chances than if it were the other way around.

    Of the teams you mentioned having a shot to go all the way, I assume you picked Denver assuming they were healthy. Even as a Broncos fan I can't pick the current Broncos to go very far. While many Chiefs fans posting here have declared the Broncos season over, I was surprised to see some Broncos fans agreeing with that assessment. It's nice to see a 'reasonable' Chiefs fan who at least gives Denver a little credit for how they were playing before their spate of injuries.

    Best of luck on your season but I hope the Broncos are the ones to end it.

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  • jake meffley
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    Re: Re: Re: Hey Jake

    Originally posted by pikman
    Is he that guy from miami vice?
    ha ha ha

    the brother of the fridge is a guy we bronco fans like to forget!!!!!!!!!!!!

    i'll never forget that day. i called in sick to work the next day. i didnt eat anything (unless you count beer) and that was the longest offseason ever.

    good thing the next year was a different story!!
    new logo
    new uniforms
    new trophy!!

    it was complete mayhem in denver. those are memories ill keep forever. i watched the '77/'78 superbowl as a kid with my dad, and got to watch the '97/'98 game with my own young son. i remember the tears of joy, and telling him to never forget. ok, im gonna stop now before i get emotional at work!!

    jake

    ps- he still remembers (maybe because i remind him often!)

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  • pikman
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    Re: Re: Hey Jake

    Originally posted by Broncs Bomber
    As long as I live, I will remember Michael Dean Perry strolling off the field as Jacksonville punted,
    Is he that guy from miami vice?

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  • Broncs Bomber
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    Re: Hey Jake

    Originally posted by ReasonableChief
    We'll see how this all plays out. Right now, the Chiefs have a good shot at homefield for the playoffs but don't have a good record historically when in that situation. Unfortunately, every Denver fan will be able to hang that 1997 game over our heads until we do something to prove otherwise (kind of like Jacksonville beating you guys in the playoffs in 1996, I believe?)
    As long as I live, I will remember Michael Dean Perry strolling off the field as Jacksonville punted, giving them a 12-men on the field penalty & a first down.

    And Tory James did not interfere...he intercepted.

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  • ReasonableChief
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    Hey Jake

    Good point about the "third year" theory for Vermeil & the Chiefs. I think it makes a nice hook for the media and fans to pick up on but don't think it has a big basis in fact. I think in Vermeil's case, it means that after three years, he's got the people he likes that fit his profile.

    I thought the Chiefs would be improved this year and in my preseason prognostication had them, at best, at 11-5, and at worst 9-7. But a couple of big things changed since then -- namely Oakland and San Diego playing as poorly as they have. Denver, I figured, would be 5-3 or 6-2 at this point.

    We'll see how this all plays out. Right now, the Chiefs have a good shot at homefield for the playoffs but don't have a good record historically when in that situation. Unfortunately, every Denver fan will be able to hang that 1997 game over our heads until we do something to prove otherwise (kind of like Jacksonville beating you guys in the playoffs in 1996, I believe?)

    At this point, I think KC, Indianapolis, Tennessee, Miami and Denver would all be capable of making it to the Super Bowl but I don't think it will be a cakewalk for any of them. It could easily come down to which team has more knee ligaments (or other body parts) intact at the end of the year.

    Of course, I'll be rooting for the Patriots on Monday night, but I won't be surprised if Denver wins it and goes on a hot streak. But I'm done looking at schedules for now. I can make a case for the Chiefs winning or losing every remaining game. These rose-colored glasses I'm viewing the Chiefs through these days have also turned black in the past.

    Good luck, and we'll see what happens December!

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  • jake meffley
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: bla bla bla

    Originally posted by horseface
    that's the dumbest piece of "trivia" I've ever heard. As if age has anything to do with it. **** Vermeil is a genius of a coach...he has already won a Super Bowl...he get's all of his teams there in the 3rd year. This is his 3rd year with the Chiefs, and they're well on their way. Keep digging for stats about WHY the Chiefs can't win the SB. Even if they do win, you will find a reason to discount it...lucky, referees, blah...blah...blah.
    the "third year" thing is an equally lame piece of trivia.
    it happened before, it doesnt mean it will happen again.

    the fact that the chiefs havent won the superbowl in 33 years and 292 days (thought i'd be specific) doesnt mean they wont this year.

    all trivia aside, the chiefs are 8-0, and thats all that matters, BUT....

    before the chiefs are crowned they have some battles to overcome. the '84 broncos (we seem to be into history discussions) were 12-1 before finishing 13-3. they lost in the first round at home. the reason i bring up that team is because they played similar. gave up a ton of yards, got a ton of turnovers, and found ways to win the close ones.

    bottom line. we dont know what will happen come january.
    i simply look at the situation objectively. your team is perfect at the halfway point and you should be thrilled. you should also be very concerned considering you are the first ever 8-0 team to allow more yards that you accumulate.

    that ALSO doesnt mean the chiefs will or will not win. it simply means that they have some issues to address on defense. they have improved some the last couple weeks, but also against teams (buff. and oak.) that are struggling mightily on offense.

    everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it is my opinion that this chiefs team will lose a few, but not enough to be over taken in the division. they MAY (50/50) hang on to homefield throughout also. i do not believe that they will win the afc. right now they have the best record, but top to bottom they are simply not the best team. recent playoff history is against the colts also, but i like their chances against kc. tennessee has also impressed as of late, and of course there is our broncos. injuries and coaching mistakes have hurt thus far, and maybe beyond recovery, but if denver regains health they too have a better team top to bottom.

    enjoy the start. congrats to all in chiefs land. just remember that you all got pretty ****y in '97 also. you'll need more than a magic "third year" to win the afc. its possible, but i wouldnt bet on it.

    jake

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  • Michael oakwood
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    re: jake meffley

    [QUOTE][i]Originally posted by jake meffley

    [B][QUOTE][i]i know its unthinkable in denver to crticize shanny and pals, but he deserves it. his playcalls late in games killed us last year. so did the defense playing 10 yards off the recievers on 3rd and 3. what do we do? we replace rhodes (great plan)
    we replace griese (he wasnt the MAIN problem, but still a good move as plummer brongs more leadership and mobility)

    what did we do about the playcalling? not squat
    new d, new qb(s), same $hitty playcalling
    shanny is still a wonderful coach, but will never achieve the success he had in the past, unless he has either a) an injury free season or b) keeps his ego in check

    he's been proud to tell us that he "hasnr changed the gameplanning" because of injuries.

    note to coach mike, DONT BE PROUD OF THAT
    get the ego in check, and change the gameplans to match the players on the field. stop the often used empty backfield until plummer is healthy. stop using timing patterns with qb's that dont have rythm with the wide outs. its common sense stuff.
    shanahan ran portis about 10 times too few, and when he asked kanell to throw, he put him in situations that are tough. i counted FIVE deep routes that were timing patterns and countless other short routes.


    That is exactly what I've been saying. Man, if somebody told this to Shanahan and he took them seriously, I bet we could have won at least 2 of the last 4 games. Another thing that pissed me off was when, at the last 2 minutes of the game in Baltimore when the Broncos had no way of coming back, Shanahan didn't put in Jackson. I mean, the game was over, why couldn't he just give Jackson a chance to prove himself in an actual regular season game? He even said himself that Jackson has been throwing extremely well. It just seems like Shanahan is really stubborn about making changes even if it could help the team.
    Last edited by Michael oakwood; 10-30-2003, 03:34 AM.

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  • neisha26
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    YEAH IT'S ME AGAIN...

    YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ALWAYS HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY BUT I WISH I CAN STICK MY FOOT UP YOUR A$$ THAT'S HOW MUCH YOU GET ON MY NERVE. WHEN DENVER IS WINNING YOU NEVER HAVE S%@T TO SAY. BUT THAT'S ALRIGHT I BEEN WAITING ON YOU TO SAY SOMETHING SLICK BUT YOU BEEN MAINTAING YOU LIP THAT WAS THE BEST THING FOR YOU TO DO DDDDUUUUMMMMYYYY.

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  • chi3fs
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    Originally posted by chi3fs
    L 23-24 @ Chiefs Oct 5.
    vs. Steelers Oct 12
    @ Vikings Oct 19
    @ Ravens Oct 26

    I think you may actually beat the Steelers. I see 1-3 in October.
    :-)

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  • Return of Lava
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    i guess Horseface wasnt lying when he says he has some intelligent posts. good job guy! tell your friends to fall in line.

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